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The Cap shield and mask are awesome..!! I know all about 'the collecting cool stuff bug'. I've been collecting the Marvel steelbooks for years, both the 3D and UHD versions. last 3 are out 10/1 for AntMan, Dr Strange and original GOTG.

I'm looking for ideas how to display these on one of the walls in the room that leads to the HT. maybe something like a translucent shelf in the pic below:

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HOLY CRAP man... have you seen what these things go for on the Bay (I thought the Oppo was ridic!)!? Wish I would have done the same in hindsight for $5 more (I have about 25-30% in SB; but at least I did get Endgame!).

That would look awesome Jason (WALL-O-MARVEL!). And I ASSume you need to be able to take them out (meaning not perm. mounted and the movies are kept inside)? I've got some ideas and I'll PM you tomorrow.
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I have a question... I currently use a JVC RS-600U and I recently noticed that a weird sound emanating from the projector... It sounds like "plink"... A bit faint but can be easily heard. It does not happen often, about every hour or two. Someone said it sounds like when metal expands under heat. Any ideas?


I don't think it's the lamp, but it does have about 2500 hours on it....

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I too am on the original lamp on an almost 3 year old RS500. I've got under 2,000 hours on it. I wonder how you guys put so many hours on it. We watch it every night plus Sunday neighborhood Movie Nights.
You have to step it up a notch lol..........In all seriousness I probably put 10 hours a week on mine.

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I use my projector for everything: movies, TV, games. I have another TV but I haven’t used it in over a year.

I also watch too much I’m sure, before I got “into movies” I watched less than 5 hours a week. I probably need to taper back.
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The sound was happening more often, every 30-60 minutes. I took the lamp out and cleaned the contacts, also to see if the optical area needed any cleaning. After replacing the lamp, the sound went away... Hope that took care of it....

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Hi,

How do i calculate the Y multiplier, so i can add that to the calman. And manni mentioned that he did a roll off from 80% , but on the calman its 50% how do i change that. Right now without add the y multiplier and changing the roll off, i have to set the contrast to all -25 with my custom gamma.

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Disappointing that JVC has forgotten about their original HDR models. Much owner beta testing and now all but forgotten. I have no doubt that they could have developed a f/w update with improved tone mapping and it is a shame that JVC will do nothing at all for us. Heck, even the lamps remain priced several times what they should be.

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Disappointing that JVC has forgotten about their original HDR models. Much owner beta testing and now all but forgotten. I have no doubt that they could have developed a f/w update with improved tone mapping and it is a shame that JVC will do nothing at all for us. Heck, even the lamps remain priced several times what they should be.



In the famous words of Mark Watney. . . "It's a real D#*k punch"!

Anyone know if I sell my mint RS-500 on AVS (or the bay), what range I might expect to fetch (going to get a refurb RS2K from AVS me thinks!)

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In the famous words of Mark Watney. . . "It's a real D#*k punch"!

Anyone know if I sell my mint RS-500 on AVS (or the bay), what range I might expect to fetch (going to get a refurb RS2K from AVS me thinks!)

I was wondering the same thing about my RS500. This is my 1st projector and I think selling it might be a pain with the shipping.

I'm currently waiting on my retractable scope screen that I ordered to go with my 16:9 fixed frame. I'm happy with the RS500 + madVR but the RS2000 upgrade bug has hit me hard these past few days.
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Anyone know if I sell my mint RS-500 on AVS (or the bay), what range I might expect to fetch (going to get a refurb RS2K from AVS me thinks!)

kevin, hi I think ~1600-1700 from what i've seen in last few months. I just picked up a mint condition RS600 for a bit over that. It's a crazy good sample, excellent BC, perfect edge to edge focus and dead on convergence out of the box. it still has almost 2 year of warranty left. total gamble that paid off for once!

I have some cool new steelbooks to show you. Finally thought of a good way to display them.. didn't cross my mind they are magnetic..

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I was wondering the same thing about my RS500. This is my 1st projector and I think selling it might be a pain with the shipping.

I'm currently waiting on my retractable scope screen that I ordered to go with my 16:9 fixed frame. I'm happy with the RS500 + madVR but the RS2000 upgrade bug has hit me hard these past few days.
It's going to be very difficult to match MadVR for DTM with the recent builds. maybe wait a bit and enjoy your current setup. I had the RS2000 for a little while and decided to keep the RS600 for now. There are gains in some areas and a few misses in others that i'd like to see solved in either current release or next gen product.

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kevin, hi I think ~1600-1700 from what i've seen in last few months. I just picked up a mint condition RS600 for a bit over that. It's a crazy good sample, excellent BC, perfect edge to edge focus and dead on convergence out of the box. it still has almost 2 year of warranty left. total gamble that paid off for once!

I have some cool new steelbooks to show you. Finally thought of a good way to display them.. didn't cross my mind they are magnetic..

OMG that BLOWS!!!! (I was hoping for at least $2K)




I think I know where youre going w/ the magnets but send some pics (BTW - I thought the 4K Dr. Strange was excellent on the colors... POP!! and the use of the height channels...Wow!).
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OMG that BLOWS!!!! (I was hoping for at least $2K)

I think I know where youre going w/ the magnets but send some pics (BTW - I thought the 4K Dr. Strange was excellent on the colors... POP!! and the use of the height channels...Wow!).
I would still give it a try, I think I got lucky on this one. Dr. Strange was awesome in HDR! 00:29:00 is a great starting point for a demo.. I re-watched it again in 3D, that is quite a trip in many of the scenes.

one can never have too many copies of Dr. Strange

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...maybe wait a bit and enjoy your current setup. I had the RS2000 for a little while and decided to keep the RS600 for now. There are gains in some areas and a few misses in others that i'd like to see solved in either current release or next gen product.
Hi Jason - Extremely interested that you say that - I've been on the fence for months over buying an N7/RS2000 and the new DTM firmware has almost tipped me, but every time I watch a recent HDR movie I'm blown away by the image I can get on my X7000 (X750/RS500) so I back down.

I know native resolution will make a difference, but how much at my seating position - The biggest fear I have is that I'll notice a loss in contrast..

So I'm interested that you had one but kept the RS600 - what was it particularly that tipped the decision?

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Hi Jason - Extremely interested that you say that - I've been on the fence for months over buying an N7/RS2000 and the new DTM firmware has almost tipped me, but every time I watch a recent HDR movie I'm blown away by the image I can get on my X7000 (X750/RS500) so I back down.

I know native resolution will make a difference, but how much at my seating position - The biggest fear I have is that I'll notice a loss in contrast..

So I'm interested that you had one but kept the RS600 - what was it particularly that tipped the decision?
I feel the same way,when I read the forum threads for the new JVC'S I say to myself I want one of those! Than I watch my calibrated RS600 in my velvet theater and I say to myself I'll wait until the next version of the new JVC'S come out. I just don't want to go backwards with contrast and the black levels after spending 7 large,that I have to actually look for the visual improvement. I'll wait. But probably keep my RS600 just in case I'm not Totally Thrilled.
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I have read, from more than one person, who has directly compared a NX5 or 7 to their current RSx00 projector and decided to stick with their RSx00 projector. This tells me that while it may be better, it isn't worth the upgrade price. Which is why I too am waiting for the next iteration, at least. I am sort of hoping it isn't for a couple years to really get some life out of my current projector. I have had it since 2016 but I really like the way it looks now with UB820 & SDR2020.

JVC choosing not to update RSx00 firmware with an HDR Gamma curve (similar to RSx20) really disappointed me and leaves me less than eager to give them more money. Sure I was able to fix it with JAVS curves and/or SDR2020, but their lack of support to early adopters really bothers me. I'm sure there are at least a handful of people out there still watching with Gamma D or don't even bother with 4K because of that mess.

I have also read about some issues with the NX projectors, so hopefully the next iteration will have all those bugs worked out.
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I have calibrated a couple dozen or so NX 5 and 7 plus a couple NX9. No problem at all (if there is a problem, my clients will already contacted me).

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I have read, from more than one person, who has directly compared a NX5 or 7 to their current RSx00 projector and decided to stick with their RSx00 projector. This tells me that while it may be better, it isn't worth the upgrade price.
I upgraded to the RS1000 (I did not sell the RS500). From a purely objective point of view, of course it is not worth the money. Having said that, I haven't even turned my 500 on in 4 or 5 months; I have the 1000 dialed in pretty well. Maybe it is placebo . . .
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With the new frame analysis Dynamic Tone Mapping for the NX5/7/9, the difference in quality is not at all trivial. It is objectively far better on the NX5/7/9.

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Speaking of this new firmware update for the new NX5/N7/N9, why don't JVC do so for their previous model RSX00 ? just simple gamma curve fix not as complicated as their new DTM firmware for their current models, seems like JVC just don't care their customers and just think about making money by selling new models, the way how JVC treat their customers is sucks
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I am certain if I compared HDR between the NX using Tone Mapping and the RSx00/20/40 using a custom curve I'd greatly prefer the NX. However, if I compared the NX on HDR using Tone Mapping to the RSx00/20/40 using SDR2020 & HDR Optimizer (UB820) I'm betting the difference would be far less significant. I am willing to be proven wrong but I would bet big that NX Tone Mapping is doing most of the heavy lifting to fix the RSx00/20/40 Dark HDR problems SDR2020 addresses.

It sure would be nice to have the Tone Mapping built into the projector because it would eliminate the occasional streaming scenario where I get left in a lurch having to use my HDR curve instead of beautiful SDR2020.

Most in here know I've been pretty vocally frustrated with "HDR" and have tried just about everything. I almost completely stopped posting when I found SDR2020 through the UB900 & HD Fury...then I moved to the UB820 and it only got better. Why did the posting stop? Because the picture quality looked great. No longer do I pop in a 4K disc and go "oh crap a dark one" or have to mess around with multiple curves for "differently mastered discs." All discs just work perfectly every single time with the UB820 and I never ever think twice about it. Look, I'm sure the NX is nicer, but there was a time not too long ago where people on this forum were trying to convince others to get smaller screens, people that I convinced to try SDR2020 instead, and guess what they did? It's almost like everyone forgot you can just zoom in to see the Dark HDR problem doesn't magically fix itself just because the image is 30% smaller.

I suspect with similar UB820 tech baked into the NX, old RS HDR users are now experiencing the relief I found with SDR2020 & HDR Optimizer on the UB820 (except the NX fixes the problem for all HDR content, not just discs). I also think it's partially another case of finally admitting downfalls when a new product that resolves them comes out. Nothing cements this more than looking at the same "HDR" image and one person saying it looks great and another saying it looked dark and horrible (which happened here...two years ago). If a custom curve totally fixed the RSx00/20/40's Dark HDR problem, why then did the new JVC projectors move to Tone Mapping? Or the UB820 incorporate Tone Mapping? Or MadVR get so much love because of Tone Mapping...seeing a pattern?
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If you're happy with your current picture and setup, then that's really all that matters. And I don't say that in a condescending way at all. I'm still using the RS400, and am about 90% happy with it using custom curves. But...

I'm posting just to clarify one point, relative to the mini-quote above:

The new JVC firmware is a completely different animal than what the UB820 (or UB9000) has, and in fact is much more comparable to what the Lumagen or MadVR do: *Dynamic* Tone Mapping, rather than *Static* Tone Mapping. This is potentially a real game-changer for Projectors.

It does not rely on the Disc's Metadata, but simply analyzes the actual picture content, either frame-by-frame, or scene-by-scene (User choice), and tries to optimize the picture for both shadows and highlights. Preliminary reports from knowledgeable users indicate it does this quite well. Not quite as good as a Lumagen or MadVR, but perhaps 80% of the way there, as an approximation.

I'm not saying this to indicate that it would be worth your money to upgrade. I've not seen comparisons of using the UB820's SDR2020 to the Dynamic Tone Mapping of the new JVC firmware. But for any reading this thread, it is important to clarify that the new JVC firmware is a very different beast than using Curves, the previous Auto Tone Mapping, etc.

But with the apparent correction of the Anamorphic Modes for use with a DCR lens, and with this new DTM firmware, I for one am once again strongly considering an upgrade.
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The new JVC firmware is a completely different animal than what the UB820 (or UB9000) has, and in fact is much more comparable to what the Lumagen or MadVR do: *Dynamic* Tone Mapping, rather than *Static* Tone Mapping. This is potentially a real game-changer for Projectors.

It does not rely on the Disc's Metadata, but simply analyzes the actual picture content, either frame-by-frame, or scene-by-scene (User choice), and tries to optimize the picture for both shadows and highlights. Preliminary reports from knowledgeable users indicate it does this quite well. Not quite as good as a Lumagen or MadVR, but perhaps 80% of the way there, as an approximation.
Yes, and I think it’s a good thing as disc metadata can be inaccurate which could cause chaos if it was actually relied on.

I’ll be interested to see the NX for myself and to hear from more RSxx0 UB820 SDR2020 owners who try them.

It was quite surprising to me how minor the changes were from RSx00->20->40 and I think I heard the NX uses the same lamp too which seems to indicate its raw HDR capability isn’t greater and that the Tone Mapping is definitely the ‘not so secret’ secret sauce.

I’m just happy it’s moving in the right direction.

And the real question: Do I invest in a MadVR PC and tons of HDD space or a sweet new projector. (Probably both)

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How far do you want JVC to add new features to older generations? 1 gen? 2 gen? 3 gen? Indefinitely? There should be a cut off point being made somewhere. After all, look where constant indefinite updates brought to Oppo.

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How far do you want JVC to add new features to older generations? 1 gen? 2 gen? 3 gen? Indefinitely? There should be a cut off point being made somewhere. After all, look where constant indefinite updates brought to Oppo.
It's not about adding new features, it is about fixing the default gamma curve that is not even working for HDR contents in which JVC claimed their RSX00 compatible & supports HDR, if JVC really care about their customers & fulfill their claim, they should launch firmware update to fix the default issue instead of introduced RSX20 & RSX40, the next generation (lamp based) of RSX00 should be NX5/N7/N9 with dynamic tone mapping
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Hi Jason - Extremely interested that you say that - I've been on the fence for months over buying an N7/RS2000 and the new DTM firmware has almost tipped me, but every time I watch a recent HDR movie I'm blown away by the image I can get on my X7000 (X750/RS500) so I back down.

I know native resolution will make a difference, but how much at my seating position - The biggest fear I have is that I'll notice a loss in contrast..

So I'm interested that you had one but kept the RS600 - what was it particularly that tipped the decision?
Mark, hi there's a few areas. for reference, I had the Sony VW1100 here for several years and also the RS2000's. HT was set up the same for all the projectors, it's a pitch black velvet room (walls & ceiling) + black carpet.

A number of folks sold their e-shift models before buying the new release. I spent ~50 hours comparing familiar content in an A/B stack with a split source.

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regarding contrast, there are 2 specific areas I observed. The DI on the new models does not clamp down as much as the RS600. Some folks find this a virtue but I never had an issue with the DI and appreciate being able to really dig deep into very low APL scenes. This has been brought up by several folks asking for 'Auto 3' in the new series, at least give the option of getting closer to the previous gen.

2nd area is internal reflections. I found them more noticeable on the RS2000 vs RS600. This is testing with APL patterns (small white blocks) and real content. Arrow mentioned this early on with the RS3000 review and later mentioned a different copy was better. Cine4home also mentioned this early on so it's likely going to vary between copies.

other areas that I would like to see improved in a future version is the warm up time required to settle down. focus and convergence. I thought there was a considerable difference between the RS2000 and RS600 in this regard. It would take a solid 30-45 minutes for the convergence to full settle. My VW1100 was the same way, blue panel took ~45 minutes to settle in. On the RS600 I have here, it's good to go within 10 mins or so from cold boot

The RS2000's I saw also had more bright corners than I current have. This has been discussed recently from folks getting their 4K models. As with previous gens, this will always vary between copies. In 2016 I saw a large # of RS500/600's and there were some A+ superstars and some that shouldn't have left factory with BC so it definitely varies. Luck is definitely a factor here.

so I get a little crazy when I really like something, I buy a backup. I saw a hard to resist low hour RS600 for sale at a great price and decided to take a gamble. I ended up lucking out, this sample is A++ with BC, sharp edge to edge focus and zero adjustment convergence. it's one of the nicest converged JVC's I've seen and still has 2 years left on the 5 year warranty. Combined with MadVR this will hold me over for a little while longer.

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I have read, from more than one person, who has directly compared a NX5 or 7 to their current RSx00 projector and decided to stick with their RSx00 projector. This tells me that while it may be better, it isn't worth the upgrade price.
I upgraded to the RS1000 (I did not sell the RS500). From a purely objective point of view, of course it is not worth the money. Having said that, I haven't even turned my 500 on in 4 or 5 months; I have the 1000 dialed in pretty well. Maybe it is placebo . . .
There is no placebo at all. The way it handles HDR especially now with Dynamic Tone Mapping, the difference is night and day.
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There is no placebo at all. The way it handles HDR especially now with Dynamic Tone Mapping, the difference is night and day.
Beautiful choice of words given my thoughts of RSxx0 “HDR” on some content.

I do wish someone sold a Dynamic Tone Mapping HDMI I/O box that wasn’t as expensive as a Lumagen. Heck, I would have paid the extra for the UB9000 if it had an HDMI input.
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It's not about adding new features, it is about fixing the default gamma curve that is not even working for HDR contents in which JVC claimed their RSX00 compatible & supports HDR, if JVC really care about their customers & fulfill their claim, they should launch firmware update to fix the default issue instead of introduced RSX20 & RSX40, the next generation (lamp based) of RSX00 should be NX5/N7/N9 with dynamic tone mapping
Since JVC's own autocal software is used to upload the custom curves, it's likely they could have easily updated Gamma D with a generic curve that would have served well enough for most content.

thankfully there were resourceful products from HDFury to prevent the projector from going into Gamma D.

Today these projectors still have the core skills to produce excellent HDR. Good brightness, best in class native and a P3 filter with minimal light loss.

I just saw your message about the HP screen, i'll reply back today.
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Beautiful choice of words given my thoughts of RSxx0 “HDR” on some content. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

I do wish someone sold a Dynamic Tone Mapping HDMI I/O box that wasn’️t as expensive as a Lumagen. Heck, I would have paid the extra for the UB9000 if it had an HDMI input.
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Mark, hi there's a few areas. for reference, I had the Sony VW1100 here for several years and also the RS2000's. HT was set up the same for all the projectors, it's a pitch black velvet room (walls & ceiling) + black carpet.

A number of folks sold their e-shift models before buying the new release. I spent ~50 hours comparing familiar content in an A/B stack with a split source.

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regarding contrast, there are 2 specific areas I observed. The DI on the new models does not clamp down as much as the RS600. Some folks find this a virtue but I never had an issue with the DI and appreciate being able to really dig deep into very low APL scenes. This has been brought up by several folks asking for 'Auto 3' in the new series, at least give the option of getting closer to the previous gen.

2nd area is internal reflections. I found them more noticeable on the RS2000 vs RS600. This is testing with APL patterns (small white blocks) and real content. Arrow mentioned this early on with the RS3000 review and later mentioned a different copy was better. Cine4home also mentioned this early on so it's likely going to vary between copies.

other areas that I would like to see improved in a future version is the warm up time required to settle down. focus and convergence. I thought there was a considerable difference between the RS2000 and RS600 in this regard. It would take a solid 30-45 minutes for the convergence to full settle. My VW1100 was the same way, blue panel took ~45 minutes to settle in. On the RS600 I have here, it's good to go within 10 mins or so from cold boot

The RS2000's I saw also had more bright corners than I current have. This has been discussed recently from folks getting their 4K models. As with previous gens, this will always vary between copies. In 2016 I saw a large # of RS500/600's and there were some A+ superstars and some that shouldn't have left factory with BC so it definitely varies. Luck is definitely a factor here.

so I get a little crazy when I really like something, I buy a backup. I saw a hard to resist low hour RS600 for sale at a great price and decided to take a gamble. I ended up lucking out, this sample is A++ with BC, sharp edge to edge focus and zero adjustment convergence. it's one of the nicest converged JVC's I've seen and still has 2 years left on the 5 year warranty. Combined with MadVR this will hold me over for a little while longer.

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Brilliant! Thanks Jason - very comprehensive breakdown - I really appreciate it.

I spent the first couple of years not using the DI on the premise of the JVC having a high native CR but once the Custom Curve Scene got into full swing I decided to try it and have never looked back. Never really figured out the difference between Auto 1 & 2 but I just use Auto 2 set fully open for HDR and forget about that.. So yeah, DI clamp is quite important to me too.

Internal reflections and bright corners - again, important - my room won't be anything like as black as yours, but I have full light control with black walls and dark grey carpet (pictures either side of screen are gone now - must update my avatar!) so anything affecting low APL scenes is important.

So I think I'll sit back, relax and enjoy what I have for the moment... Until a bargain comes my way that is .. Retail for the RS2000 is £8,500 ($10,700) over here which is crazy but some dealers are selling at about £6,500 and imports from Italy or Germany for example are easy (at the moment!!!) at a similar price.

And I get the redundancy thing - never done it with a PJ, although I always keep my last model in case of catastrophe, but yeah, if there's potential for a future supply problem, I do exactly the same!

Love the poster screens by the way!
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I use the UB9000. The DTM applied above the UB9000 set to low luminance makes the combo that much better.
Yeah, I still haven’t been able to get a solid answer on UB9000 350-nit vs 500-nit Tone Mapping comparisons and whether that difference is worth an extra $500. I’d really like to see some locked-settings photo comparisons.

I’d be happy to provide this and even do a detailed write up with photo comparisons but I don’t know how to get my hands on a NX5/7/9 & UB9000 without buying them and I’m not doing that until I have more answers. There is one local place I miiiight be able to demo this stuff but I obviously wouldn’t be able to do photo comparisons, etc.
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