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quick cyber monday PSA - the river has the CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD on discount for a great price. this is one of the few UPS's with a pure sign wave output, verified by a number of folks with a waveform monitor. I just grabbed one to use with my projectors.
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quick cyber monday PSA - the river has the CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD on discount for a great price. this is one of the few UPS's with a pure sign wave output, verified by a number of folks with a waveform monitor. I just grabbed one to use with my projectors.
This is a good UPS. I have my entire home theater rack on it.
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I have the same one as well, except a slightly different / older model from way back, but same readout and VA and brand.
I had to replace the batteries after 7 or so years, it worked fine after replacing the battery with 2 generic batteries from Amazon.
The generic batteries might be a bit weaker, but hard to tell since I went so overkill on the VA it won't matter either way.

I don't know if the surge protection circuitry is still that good after that long.
They say you should replace surge protectors every X years, but I think it's very highly exaggerated on how quick surge protectors (or presumably UPS) lose their protection.
I know some types of protection circuitry can last almost forever, but just varies with different types.

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This is a good UPS. I have my entire home theater rack on it.
Will that run your entire rack long enough to get the projector shut down in the case of a power outage?

Also another UPS/Surge question - I currently run my sub amps (Behringer iNukes) and projector off a switched power strip (link below) so that they cut on and off when the projector does as they don't have remotes or a 12v trigger and can't be programed to my Harmony Hub. Since this power strip supposedly has surge protection does that mean that I shouldn't plug it into the UPS?

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Will that run your entire rack long enough to get the projector shut down in the case of a power outage?

Also another UPS/Surge question - I currently run my sub amps (Behringer iNukes) and projector off a switched power strip (link below) so that they cut on and off when the projector does as they don't have remotes or a 12v trigger and can't be programed to my Harmony Hub. Since this power strip supposedly has surge protection does that mean that I shouldn't plug it into the UPS?

https://www.amazon.com/TrickleStar-A...4WMR5300N04812
You definitely don't want to chain a surge protector to a UPS, get a regular power strip, they are cheap.
Doing so could interfere with the UPS protection circuitry and even cause other more serious issues, and in rare cases potential fire.

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Also another UPS/Surge question - I currently run my sub amps (Behringer iNukes) and projector off a switched power strip (link below) so that they cut on and off when the projector does as they don't have remotes or a 12v trigger and can't be programed to my Harmony Hub.
I'll let the others address the other part of your question, but I have one idea for you on the iNuke amps.

I currently have a Control4 system to operate my Theater, but before this, I controlled it with a Harmony Hub, Remote and Home Extender, and faced the same issue with the iNuke 6000 I use to power my subwoofer.

I bought this SmartPlug, which I was able to incorporate into the Harmony (as I recall it goes through the Home Extender add-on). I in turn controlled the whole system with Alexa, and it worked pretty well:

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The iNuke switch was left in the 'On' position, and when the SmartPlug was activated via the Harmony setup, it turned on, and then back off when I was done.

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Will that run your entire rack long enough to get the projector shut down in the case of a power outage?

Also another UPS/Surge question - I currently run my sub amps (Behringer iNukes) and projector off a switched power strip (link below) so that they cut on and off when the projector does as they don't have remotes or a 12v trigger and can't be programed to my Harmony Hub. Since this power strip supposedly has surge protection does that mean that I shouldn't plug it into the UPS?

https://www.amazon.com/TrickleStar-A...4WMR5300N04812
I also have an iNuke as well. I used to have it triggered but it was making a pop noise so now I just turn the iNuke on/off manually. Someone added a relay to trigger the iNuke through the power circuit. I can’t find it anymore though. I do use a smart power strip to trigger fans with the receiver.

On my old APC 1500, the UPS ran the whole home theater (no subs) for 20 minutes or so during a power outage to finish the Dexter finale (travesty).

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You definitely don't want to chain a surge protector to a UPS, get a regular power strip, they are cheap.
Doing so could interfere with the UPS protection circuitry and even cause other more serious issues, and in rare cases potential fire.
Eh, not so sure about that. My rack has a SurgeX that breaks out to a couple power strips. EVERYTHING including my projector and subwoofer amplifier is connected through the SurgeX, then that is connected to the UPS.
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You CAN do it, but it's not proper. There are all kinds of things you can do with electrical, but it doesn't mean you should.
I can smoke a cigar next to propane or while pumping gas, and 99.9999% chance it won't do anything, but I'm not going to risk it.

I can leave my phone out of airplane mode, and the chances of crashing the airplane due to interference are probably close to 0.000000000000000001% to the billionth.
However, they still say don't do it.

I would say your chances of having an electrical issue or a worn or faulty component catching on fire are many magnitudes higher than you crashing a plane with your cell phone

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I'll let the others address the other part of your question, but I have one idea for you on the iNuke amps.

I currently have a Control4 system to operate my Theater, but before this, I controlled it with a Harmony Hub, Remote and Home Extender, and faced the same issue with the iNuke 6000 I use to power my subwoofer.

I bought this SmartPlug, which I was able to incorporate into the Harmony (as I recall it goes through the Home Extender add-on). I in turn controlled the whole system with Alexa, and it worked pretty well:

GE Z-Wage SmartPlug

The iNuke switch was left in the 'On' position, and when the SmartPlug was activated via the Harmony setup, it turned on, and then back off when I was done.

Thank you, I'll see what I can work out something like that. I wonder if something would work with the Lutron Caseta Smartbridge? I haven't hooked it up yet but I have one with to use with a Caseta dimmer as it's supposed to work with Harmony Hub.

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On my old APC 1500, the UPS ran the whole home theater (no subs) for 20 minutes or so during a power outage to finish the Dexter finale (travesty).

That's pretty impressive. I was planning on just hooking my projector up to it, but it sounds like it will handle more than that.

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That's pretty impressive. I was planning on just hooking my projector up to it, but it sounds like it will handle more than that.
You can definitely run your whole system on it (unless you’ve got a bunch of AB class amps or something). Let’s be honest, the real reason we’ve got a UPS is to shut down the projector with enough time to cool the lamp down. Having the whole system on the UPS and just being able to hit the power button on my Harmony is nice.

I also have my router and cable modem connected to the UPS, gets me WiFi for quite some time.
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Eh, not so sure about that. My rack has a SurgeX that breaks out to a couple power strips. EVERYTHING including my projector and subwoofer amplifier is connected through the SurgeX, then that is connected to the UPS.
Just one last bit of info, this is an NFPA code violation, if something did happen, it could be grounds for your insurance company to claim negligence and not pay a fire claim, just FYI - food for thought. Although NFPA isn't strictly enforceable in the US, there are other codes that usually come into play and can cause issues.

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Just one last bit of info, this is an NFPA code violation, if something did happen, it could be grounds for your insurance company to claim negligence and not pay a fire claim, just FYI - food for thought. Although NFPA isn't strictly enforceable in the US, there are other codes that usually come into play and can cause issues.
I am not too concerned about it. The risk is accidentally overloading the UPS.

My system at normal volume levels is below 700 watts (as measured by a watt meter, not the UPS). Well within the operating capacity of the UPS.
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AppleTV4K settings with the RS600?

ok so I've gone back through quite a bit of the thread and I swear I saw it somewhere but just can't locate it. Can anybody help out with this? THANKS SO MUCH!

FYI....I use my Panasonic 820 for almost ALL my streaming but having just replaced our ATVHD with the ATV4K there are a few instances where we have purchased a movie through iTunes instead of a physical disc and in the case of the 4K HDR option through iTunes we'd like to watch it but I have no clue on the ATV4K settings setup.

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AppleTV4K settings with the RS600?

ok so I've gone back through quite a bit of the thread and I swear I saw it somewhere but just can't locate it. Can anybody help out with this? THANKS SO MUCH!

FYI....I use my Panasonic 820 for almost ALL my streaming but having just replaced our ATVHD with the ATV4K there are a few instances where we have purchased a movie through iTunes instead of a physical disc and in the case of the 4K HDR option through iTunes we'd like to watch it but I have no clue on the ATV4K settings setup.
I seem to recall something about the ATV4K triggering Gamma D multiple times during playback on the the RSxxx projectors. You might need an HD Fury device to make the ATV4K play nice. Hopefully others will chime in.
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AppleTV4K settings with the RS600?

ok so I've gone back through quite a bit of the thread and I swear I saw it somewhere but just can't locate it. Can anybody help out with this? THANKS SO MUCH!

FYI....I use my Panasonic 820 for almost ALL my streaming but having just replaced our ATVHD with the ATV4K there are a few instances where we have purchased a movie through iTunes instead of a physical disc and in the case of the 4K HDR option through iTunes we'd like to watch it but I have no clue on the ATV4K settings setup.
i was just using factory settings but had frame rate and range to match source. ie if it was HDR to display as HDR and if source SDR to display at SDR and leave frame rate alone as well. this worked fine.

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I seem to recall something about the ATV4K triggering Gamma D multiple times during playback on the the RSxxx projectors. You might need an HD Fury device to make the ATV4K play nice. Hopefully others will chime in.
Yup, I can already see the level of frustration shooting through the roof with this thing. Every time I moved around the menus it would keep sending a new HDR tag and switch over to D

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I am not too concerned about it. The risk is accidentally overloading the UPS.
That is the easy part to avoid, but there are other issues with it.
The dangers are the two devices getting out of phase in the interrupt of the MOV, causing one to heat up too hot.
They can even get stuck in a sort of clamping loop, for lack of a better word.

This can be caused such as if your stereo were suddenly start drawing too many amps because something inside the stereo failed (it happens).
There are other things that can cause it, such as just plain surges.

Sure it's not common, but whatever the odds, the results are pretty bad.
If you've ever seen how fast an electrical fire can spread...

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I seem to recall something about the ATV4K triggering Gamma D multiple times during playback on the the RSxxx projectors. You might need an HD Fury device to make the ATV4K play nice. Hopefully others will chime in.
This is true, but especially movies with Dolby Vision.

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can't get Roku Ultra (2019) to work with RS500

I picked up a Roku Ultra 4K (2019) from Black Friday sale. I cannot get Roku Ultra (2019) to work with the RS500. Specifically, on boot up I can see the Roku splash screen but soon after the screen goes black such that it doesn't even make it to the Display type set up screen to Auto detect or manually select resolution.

My chain : Panasonic UB900 --> Monoprice High Speed HDMI cable #1-- > HD Fury Linker --> Monoprice High Speed HDMI #2 --> Marantz 8802A --> HDMI cable --> JVC RS500.

With this set up, I have been able to play back UHD discs on the UB900 ok (4K HDR 4:2:2 at 24fps) and has been stable for > 1 year.

What I have tried
1) Put Roku in place of UB900
2) Put Roku in other HDMI input of Marantz using same HDMI cable paired with UB900 (no Linker). I confirmed this other HDMI input worked fine with UB900 first.
3) Bypass Marantz 8802A by plugging Roku directly to RS500 using same HDMI cable already connected to RS500 as shown in chain above.
4) Checked CMD was off on RS500.
5) Connect Roku to 1080p Panasonic plasma TV (and it works perfectly with the 1080p TV i.e. can set up ) --> Roku Advanced display settings --> Auto-adjust display refresh rate to "Enabled" and HDR subsampling to 4:2:0
6) Tried another Roku (exact same model , used on different 1080P TV)
7) Roku SW ver 9.2.0, build 4750


Just wondering if anyone has been successful in pairing 2019 Roku Ultra with RS500 and what settings did you use on both the Roku and RS500?

Thanks in advance !

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I picked up a Roku Ultra 4K (2019) from Black Friday sale. I cannot get Roku Ultra (2019) to work with the RS500. Specifically, on boot up I can see the Roku splash screen but soon after the screen goes black such that it doesn't even make it to the Display type set up screen to Auto detect or manually select resolution.

My chain : Panasonic UB900 --> Monoprice High Speed HDMI cable #1-- > HD Fury Linker --> Monoprice High Speed HDMI #2 --> Marantz 8802A --> HDMI cable --> JVC RS500.

With this set up, I have been able to play back UHD discs on the UB900 ok (4K HDR 4:2:2 at 24fps) and has been stable for > 1 year.

What I have tried
1) Put Roku in place of UB900
2) Put Roku in other HDMI input of Marantz using same HDMI cable paired with UB900 (no Linker). I confirmed this other HDMI input worked fine with UB900 first.
3) Bypass Marantz 8802A by plugging Roku directly to RS500 using same HDMI cable already connected to RS500 as shown in chain above.
4) Checked CMD was off on RS500.
5) Connect Roku to 1080p Panasonic plasma TV (and it works perfectly with the 1080p TV i.e. can set up ) --> Roku Advanced display settings --> Auto-adjust display refresh rate to "Enabled" and HDR subsampling to 4:2:0
6) Tried another Roku (exact same model , used on different 1080P TV)
7) Roku SW ver 9.2.0, build 4750


Just wondering if anyone has been successful in pairing 2019 Roku Ultra with RS500 and what settings did you use on both the Roku and RS500?

Thanks in advance !
Can you not set up the Linker to force the Roku to 1080p initially, and go from there?

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I picked up a Roku Ultra 4K (2019) from Black Friday sale. I cannot get Roku Ultra (2019) to work with the RS500. Specifically, on boot up I can see the Roku splash screen but soon after the screen goes black such that it doesn't even make it to the Display type set up screen to Auto detect or manually select resolution.

My chain : Panasonic UB900 --> Monoprice High Speed HDMI cable #1-- > HD Fury Linker --> Monoprice High Speed HDMI #2 --> Marantz 8802A --> HDMI cable --> JVC RS500.

With this set up, I have been able to play back UHD discs on the UB900 ok (4K HDR 4:2:2 at 24fps) and has been stable for > 1 year.

What I have tried
1) Put Roku in place of UB900
2) Put Roku in other HDMI input of Marantz using same HDMI cable paired with UB900 (no Linker). I confirmed this other HDMI input worked fine with UB900 first.
3) Bypass Marantz 8802A by plugging Roku directly to RS500 using same HDMI cable already connected to RS500 as shown in chain above.
4) Checked CMD was off on RS500.
5) Connect Roku to 1080p Panasonic plasma TV (and it works perfectly with the 1080p TV i.e. can set up ) --> Roku Advanced display settings --> Auto-adjust display refresh rate to "Enabled" and HDR subsampling to 4:2:0
6) Tried another Roku (exact same model , used on different 1080P TV)
7) Roku SW ver 9.2.0, build 4750


Just wondering if anyone has been successful in pairing 2019 Roku Ultra with RS500 and what settings did you use on both the Roku and RS500?

Thanks in advance !
I had a similar issue with my 2019 Rokus with my TVs (didn't notice it with my projector). I power cycled the Rokus (unplugged and replugged) and then went to the Display setting on the Roku and set it to 4K HDR 30Hz. Not sure the display setting had anything to do with it, but since then I haven't seen the issue.

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ok so I've gone back through quite a bit of the thread and I swear I saw it somewhere but just can't locate it. Can anybody help out with this? THANKS SO MUCH!

FYI....I use my Panasonic 820 for almost ALL my streaming but having just replaced our ATVHD with the ATV4K there are a few instances where we have purchased a movie through iTunes instead of a physical disc and in the case of the 4K HDR option through iTunes we'd like to watch it but I have no clue on the ATV4K settings setup.
There was a time when the ATV4K did some funky stuff with with metadata. Do you use a custom gamma curve for HDR or Gamma D? If the latter, you probably don't need to worry. If the former, I assume you are using something like the Vertex to manage it?

In terms of settings, after much experimenting, I settled on:

Default: SDR 4k
Match Dynamic Range: on
Match Frame Rate: off (this last setting is more about how the Vertex handles it, in combo with my receiver and RS500, than anything else)

That is: I have found that match frame rate (on the ATV) fed through a vertex, sometimes causes lip sync issues, but that sending everything at 60hz (ie, match frame rate off) works better.....and the JVC performs inverse telecine on content that was originally 24hz very well.

On the other hand, match dynamic range is really nice.

So I like to set the default ATV output to 4k SDR. So SDR content from unsophisticated apps looks right. And then when anything is HDR, the ATV will "match" the dynamic range and send HDR.


But really the question is what kind of gamma curve you are using for HDR content.....and whether you have a Vertex (or similar)..... and those factors will influence the rest.
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Our X750R has developed a clicking/snapping type noise that happens a few times when we are watching a movie. Anybody else experience this? Any idea what it is, and if I should take any measures to correct it? It's not a huge annoyance, but it's there never the less.

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But really the question is what kind of gamma curve you are using for HDR content.....and whether you have a Vertex (or similar)..... and those factors will influence the rest.
Thanks for input!

Current setup:
ATV4K —> Integra Receiver —> RS600
*no vertex or similar*
RS600 is running custom curves from Chad B calibration.

I have no problem adding a vertex or similar but would prefer avoiding the requirement to add a device just to keep Gamma D from kicking on. But if I can’t watch 4K Apple content, then it really feels like a waste of having the ATV4K and will have to consider it.

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So you manually select your custom Chad curve at the start of every HDR movie, after the projector has tried to go into Gamma D?

At a minimum that would be necessary when watching HDR on the AppleTV4k. (If you are just watching 4k but not HDR that of course that is. It the case.)

I don’t know whether the metadata changes within programs anymore because I use a vertex....not jut to avoid gamma D. It it also automatically selects the gamma on the projector based on the source content.

Sorry I can’t be more definitive. Luckily Apple has a decent return policy afaik just in case.....


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Thanks for input!

Current setup:
ATV4K —> Integra Receiver —> RS600
*no vertex or similar*
RS600 is running custom curves from Chad B calibration.

I have no problem adding a vertex or similar but would prefer avoiding the requirement to add a device just to keep Gamma D from kicking on. But if I can’t watch 4K Apple content, then it really feels like a waste of having the ATV4K and will have to consider it.
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So you manually select your custom Chad curve at the start of every HDR movie, after the projector has tried to go into Gamma D?

At a minimum that would be necessary when watching HDR on the AppleTV4k. (If you are just watching 4k but not HDR that of course that is. It the case.)

I don’t know whether the metadata changes within programs anymore because I use a vertex....not jut to avoid gamma D. It it also automatically selects the gamma on the projector based on the source content.

Sorry I can’t be more definitive. Luckily Apple has a decent return policy afaik just in case.....
Yup, I load my custom 4K HDR curve and start watching. Never an issue but should it ever kick over to D then I know immediately and can switch back to my Chad curve easily. It’s a rare thing and never happens during physical media playback, and only if I jump out to menus streaming HDR content from Netflix. Hence the reason I have never added a vertex. Maybe Ill look into adding a vertex but I hate adding a 3-400 piece of equipment to lock in a setting on the projector.

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Yup, I load my custom 4K HDR curve and start watching. Never an issue but should it ever kick over to D then I know immediately and can switch back to my Chad curve easily. It’s a rare thing and never happens during physical media playback, and only if I jump out to menus streaming HDR content from Netflix. Hence the reason I have never added a vertex. Maybe Ill look into adding a vertex but I hate adding a 3-400 piece of equipment to lock in a setting on the projector.
I agree that if you are happy with your current process a vertex is overkill.

Try the ATV without it and see?
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