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post #14401 of 32516 Old 09-16-2016, 01:56 AM
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X7000 will most likely be my next pj. I just have to wait for the new 499$ Oppo. How good will it be compared to Panasonic. The price is quite low so is it missing some features that Pana may have....?

But to the question: X7000/X9000 both have THX mode. What is it for? It has limited selection of settings compared to the other modes. Is it just something that the marketing guys can brag about or is it really something that you can use?
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I'm guessing this may not be the right place to ask this but since so many here are using them,I just ordered a HDFURY Integral and was wondering about how long does it take for delivery? I'm in Long Island NY.


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I'm guessing you're right. How about asking in the Integral HD Fury thread?

It usually only takes maybe 3 days, they will send you a tracking number.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vid...-integral.html
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yes thanks to you I watched Lucy again in SDR BT2020 until 4:00am..

this movie keeps getting stranger and stranger..
It's a strange movie for sure. I remember that you also asked me to compare the UB900 using it. So...how many times have you seen it...more than the number of projectors you've owned?
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I'm guessing you're right. How about asking in the Integral HD Fury thread?



It usually only takes maybe 3 days, they will send you a tracking number.



https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vid...-integral.html


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Insanely fast!

I orded mine on Tuesday at about 11:30pm, it shipped Wednesday at 2pm and arrived the next day at 2pm. I was stunned. From Tiapai to Winnipeg Canada in 24 hrs... It got here faster than people traveling from China, lol
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Insanely fast!

I orded mine on Tuesday at about 11:30pm, it shipped Wednesday at 2pm and arrived the next day at 2pm. I was stunned. From Tiapai to Winnipeg Canada in 24 hrs... It got here faster than people traveling from China, lol


Nice! Yeah that's fast! Lol


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Insanely fast!

I orded mine on Tuesday at about 11:30pm, it shipped Wednesday at 2pm and arrived the next day at 2pm. I was stunned. From Tiapai to Winnipeg Canada in 24 hrs... It got here faster than people traveling from China, lol
Well, I have a theory that they likely shipped at 2 pm their time, meaning they had a 13 hour head start to Winnipeg time. But yeah, 24+13 hr travel time theory aside that's very fast shipping.
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X7000 will most likely be my next pj. I just have to wait for the new 499$ Oppo. How good will it be compared to Panasonic. The price is quite low so is it missing some features that Pana may have....?
No specs are confirmed for the Oppo. But you can follow the threads in the other section of AVS to learn more when they are.

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But to the question: X7000/X9000 both have THX mode. What is it for? It has limited selection of settings compared to the other modes. Is it just something that the marketing guys can brag about or is it really something that you can use?
Typically, if you didn't have access to any calibration tools other than a setup disk for setting brightness and contrast, and couldn't crib info from an online source, the THX mode would be the best videophile choice "out of the box". It is designed to perform closer to REC709 specifications than any other mode.

In reality, folks here have found even better default settings through experiment, trial and error, and much effort.
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Cool story bro, point me to a Lumagen that can be had for $300USD

Oblivion, it was not grain, its just a horribly blurry transfer. Complete rubbish disc.
Fury does a good job for sure , you can get one used for $200 actually , US dollars that is . If that's all you need then it fits the requirements nicely.
The Lumagen does have a few more features will even allow remapping of HDR 2020 for older 4K projectors very soon plus the 5000 point color
calibration gives the unit a little more appeal for some.

I remember members talking about Oblivion in terms of noise. How in the world can you make a transfer blurry that does not make any sense. I didn't notice
any blurriness but it did not look spectacular either. As I mentioned it did not improve upon the BD version other than better color rendition. Close ups looked
sharp enough, guess I was looking for something else maybe.

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Fury does a good job for sure , you can get one used for $200 actually , US dollars that is . If that's all you need then it fits the requirements nicely.
The Lumagen does have a few more features will even allow remapping of HDR 2020 for older 4K projectors very soon plus the 5000 point color
calibration gives the unit a little more appeal for some.

I remember members talking about Oblivion in terms of noise. How in the world can you make a transfer blurry that does not make any sense. I didn't notice
any blurriness but it did not look spectacular either. As I mentioned it did not improve upon the BD version other than better color rendition. Close ups looked
sharp enough, guess I was looking for something else maybe.

Yeah I know its hard to believe, but a lot of us feel they actually went backwards in image fidelity in that film with the UHD disc.

I will do a quick screenshot comparison tomorrow evening of my 1080p copy via Madvr and my UHD copy of Oblivion, I am almost certain that my 1080p copy looks significantly sharper especially when upscaling comes into play. That film is not a 4K master, and the scaling they used to pump it up to 4K is actually inferior than the scaling that MadVR uses when set right. Its a real shame, would have loved the additional colour.

I can actually also create and use a 3D LUT via CalMan and MadVR, havent done so yet but I just may give it a try since 90% or more of my viewing is still regular HD content.

Wish Lumagen had a product that did everything I wanted for about $750Usd. I am not prepared to spend more than that on a product like that when I can het 90% there via a few other options.

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Yeah I know its hard to believe, but a lot of us feel they actually went backwards in image fidelity in that film with the UHD disc.

I will do a quick screenshot comparison tomorrow evening of my 1080p copy via Madvr and my UHD copy of Oblivion, I am almost certain that my 1080p copy looks significantly sharper especially when upscaling comes into play. That film is not a 4K master, and the scaling they used to pump it up to 4K is actually inferior than the scaling that MadVR uses when set right. Its a real shame, would have loved the additional colour.

I can actually also create and use a 3D LUT via CalMan and MadVR, havent done so yet but I just may give it a try since 90% or more of my viewing is still regular HD content.

Wish Lumagen had a product that did everything I wanted for about $750Usd. I am not prepared to spend more than that on a product like that when I can het 90% there via a few other options.
That's like wishing for the Z1 at the price of your RS500 . It does 90% but you'll have to fork out 450% more for that additional 10%.
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That's like wishing for the Z1 at the price of your RS500 . It does 90% but you'll have to fork out 450% more for that additional 10%.
Do you use an HTPC? Because that along with MadVR certainly can do 99% of what the Lumagen does, another reason I wouldnt look seriously at buying one. 3D LUT included.

Hell as soon as they crack the new UHD encryption I will be moving all my UHD films to my HTPC and engaging MadVR on those, supersampling up to 8k and outputting at 4k, that should be absolutely phenomenal. Cant wait.
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HDR with lamp power low ?

Hi all,

Got the X7000 last week. I use the Panasonic UB900 + Denon 7200WA. Room is 100% light controlled, but only the first 5 feet close to screen has black curtains. Rest of the room has white walls and light ceiling. Been trying tons of settings now including the JVC recommended ones.
I just cannot se myself using the High lamp power setting to get the required light output for HDR - just too noisy for me.

I have turned off HDR in the UB900, and I'm quite satisfied with the non-HDR result from 4K sources. For now I only turn on HDR when using my 4K samsung 65" 2016 model.

Anyone got a ok result for the X7000 (or other models) using low lamp power ?

Thanks
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Hi all,

Got the X7000 last week. I use the Panasonic UB900 + Denon 7200WA. Room is 100% light controlled, but only the first 5 feet close to screen has black curtains. Rest of the room has white walls and light ceiling. Been trying tons of settings now including the JVC recommended ones.
I just cannot se myself using the High lamp power setting to get the required light output for HDR - just too noisy for me.

I have turned off HDR in the UB900, and I'm quite satisfied with the non-HDR result from 4K sources. For now I only turn on HDR when using my 4K samsung 65" 2016 model.

Anyone got a ok result for the X7000 (or other models) using low lamp power ?

Thanks
I do with the x7000 … however reason being I run a relatively small screen at 92" so can clip pretty reasonably between 1000-1400 nits in low lamp when calibrating for HDR

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Do you use an HTPC? Because that along with MadVR certainly can do 99% of what the Lumagen does, another reason I wouldnt look seriously at buying one. 3D LUT included.
The problem is that only works for unprotected files, you can't use madVR with streaming services, games (PC or console), anything protected, other devices, etc. madVR is awesome to be sure, but the fact that it only works with certain software and only with unprotected files, makes it very hard to rely on, especially for CMS.
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I do with the x7000 … however reason being I run a relatively small screen at 92" so can clip pretty reasonably between 1000-1400 nits in low lamp when calibrating for HDR
Great, Can You share Your settings please ? Thx
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The problem is that only works for unprotected files, you can't use madVR with streaming services, games (PC or console), anything protected, other devices, etc. madVR is awesome to be sure, but the fact that it only works with certain software and only with unprotected files, makes it very hard to rely on, especially for CMS.
Well, an Autocal can surely get you 8/10ths of the way there, which is fine for streaming and games etc...

When you have critical movie watching in 1080p, and eventually when they crack UHD you can have the 3D lut get you to 10/10ths...

There, I saved $4000USD
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Hi Guys

I finally started my new rs500. I am trying 3D using JVC glasses. When I watch 3D, I saw there are something keeping shaking or flashing in some location of screen. Quite annoying. Then I tried my old Epson RF glasses and it works, no shaking/flashing but just too dark. So I am wondering if you guys have similar experience on this shaking or flashing (sorry maybe I don't use right word to describe it) ? And what is the problem and how to solve it? Thanks for your help .
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I've read an exhaustive number of posts here regarding the difficulties in playing UHD WCG BD on the Samsung UBD-K8500 when paired with the 500/600 PJs without including a FuryHD Integral (etc.) to remap the color space to SDR BT.2020. After the most recent firmware updates for both devices, is it now possible to have an acceptable HDR viewing experience without the "re-mapper" in the chain with (specifically) the RS600 or would I find the HDR BT.2020 image essentially unwatchable? Thanks, as always!
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Need 40' Cable Recommendation

During projector install my A/V guy chose to use Key Digital active cables. They claim to be Commercial Pro 40' Ultra HD 4K cables They are CL3/FT4 Rated (whatever that is) HDMI Cables. They also claim to have Super Sonic Speed at 31,5 Gbps. They also are supposed to handle 3D and have Ethernet and Audio return. (Model - KD-HIFI40ProK).


Problem is that these cables will not pass a signal to the JVC regardless whether it is from the DirecTV 4K Client or the Samsung K8500 4K DVD player if directly connected.


Now everything works great if I send it through the Marantz 7010 AVR even though it is set to pass-through mode. But I’m fairly certain the AVR is reducing the color depth from 10 or 12 bits to 8 bits based on some other discussions I’ve had recently on this forum. I do not know if that is the extent of what the AVR is doing even in pass-through mode that gets the signal there but it does for both of my sources.


So the following is my setup that I asking for HDMI cable recommendations on:


Projector is JVC RS600. Sources are as follows:


Input 1: C61K DirecTV 4K Client direct to RS600
Input 2: Samsung K8500 4K DVD Player direct to RS600


Nothing will go thru my AVR. Please keep in mind the cable length is 40'


Thanks very much.
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I asked this question in this thread earlier and wanted to post feedback here in case it might help someone else.
I ordered 2, the 22 gauge silver series (which is obviously very thick and glad I didn't even have to open it). The one that did work is the 35 foot cabernet.
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My old redmere 40 foot I purchased a couple years ago worked fine at 40 feet. Ordered the one above in 35 feet and it works perfectly for me. Watched Deadpool UHD with HDR.
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During projector install my A/V guy chose to use Key Digital active cables. They claim to be Commercial Pro 40' Ultra HD 4K cables They are CL3/FT4 Rated (whatever that is) HDMI Cables. They also claim to have Super Sonic Speed at 31,5 Gbps. They also are supposed to handle 3D and have Ethernet and Audio return. (Model - KD-HIFI40ProK).

Problem is that these cables will not pass a signal to the JVC regardless whether it is from the DirecTV 4K Client or the Samsung K8500 4K DVD player if directly connected.

Now everything works great if I send it through the Marantz 7010 AVR even though it is set to pass-through mode. But I’m fairly certain the AVR is reducing the color depth from 10 or 12 bits to 8 bits
based on some other discussions I’ve had recently on this forum. I do not know if that is the extent of what the AVR is doing even in pass-through mode that gets the signal there but it does for both of my sources.

So the following is my setup that I asking for HDMI cable recommendations on:
Projector is JVC RS600. Sources are as follows:
Input 1: C61K DirecTV 4K Client direct to RS600
Input 2: Samsung K8500 4K DVD Player direct to RS600

Nothing will go thru my AVR. Please keep in mind the cable length is 40'

Thanks very much.
Have you updated your JVC's firmware yet? It should be at Rev. 83.2. If not, give that a go...

UHD/HDR sources should normally be connected to the JVC's HDMI 1 input. The HDMI 2 input uses a different chipset that works better for non-UHD sources. I'm not certain if UHD will work on the second input, but if you need to use it, adjusting the HDMI 2 EDID setting in the Input Signal menu to "EDID A" may help (assuming that you've updated the firmware).

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Have you updated your JVC's firmware yet? It should be at Rev. 83.2. If not, give that a go...

Yes, updated the firmware yesterday. I had been holding off posting until I got the JVC's firmware updated.


After the update I tried the Samsung direct to the projector which from what I had read in this forum would let the Samsung and JVC talk. When I still had a blank screen I knew I had a cable problem. Just for kicks I sent the DirecTV 4K Client directly to the projector instead of through my AVR, but I even got a blank screen on it also. So those active 4K cables that I detailed in my first post on this subject fails for some reason unless the data is first passed through the AVR.


So I'm open for suggestions and recommendations!!!!
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Yes, updated the firmware yesterday. I had been holding off posting until I got the JVC's firmware updated.

After the update I tried the Samsung direct to the projector which from what I had read in this forum would let the Samsung and JVC talk. When I still had a blank screen I knew I had a cable problem. Just for kicks I sent the DirecTV 4K Client directly to the projector instead of through my AVR, but I even got a blank screen on it also. So those active 4K cables that I detailed in my first post on this subject fails for some reason unless the data is first passed through the AVR.

So I'm open for suggestions and recommendations!!!!
You might want to peruse this thread to find a different cable for your long run.
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Yes, updated the firmware yesterday. I had been holding off posting until I got the JVC's firmware updated.


After the update I tried the Samsung direct to the projector which from what I had read in this forum would let the Samsung and JVC talk. When I still had a blank screen I knew I had a cable problem. Just for kicks I sent the DirecTV 4K Client directly to the projector instead of through my AVR, but I even got a blank screen on it also. So those active 4K cables that I detailed in my first post on this subject fails for some reason unless the data is first passed through the AVR.


So I'm open for suggestions and recommendations!!!!
Assuming you don't have the cables backwards, right? There is a source end and display end.
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I finally started my new rs500. I am trying 3D using JVC glasses. When I watch 3D, I saw there are something keeping shaking or flashing in some location of screen. Quite annoying. Then I tried my old Epson RF glasses and it works, no shaking/flashing but just too dark. So I am wondering if you guys have similar experience on this shaking or flashing (sorry maybe I don't use right word to describe it) ? And what is the problem and how to solve it? Thanks for your help .
Is it possible you are loosing signal to the glasses? Try moving closer to the emitter to see if it's just signal first.
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Is it possible you are loosing signal to the glasses? Try moving closer to the emitter to see if it's just signal first.
Thanks roxiedog13.

Last night We changed to watch a different 3D movie, then the problem seems to disappear. But I did recharged the glasses longer. Not sure if it is related to battery charging ? I will check when I get to watch different movies .

Anyway, 3D in this JVC rs500 is really good . It is definitely better than my old Epson 5030ub. It is brighter for sure. And JVC glasses is really good as well. The brightness was only lowered a little after putting on the glasses. I am impressed.
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During projector install my A/V guy chose to use Key Digital active cables. They claim to be Commercial Pro 40' Ultra HD 4K cables They are CL3/FT4 Rated (whatever that is) HDMI Cables. They also claim to have Super Sonic Speed at 31,5 Gbps. They also are supposed to handle 3D and have Ethernet and Audio return. (Model - KD-HIFI40ProK).


Problem is that these cables will not pass a signal to the JVC regardless whether it is from the DirecTV 4K Client or the Samsung K8500 4K DVD player if directly connected.


Now everything works great if I send it through the Marantz 7010 AVR even though it is set to pass-through mode. But I’m fairly certain the AVR is reducing the color depth from 10 or 12 bits to 8 bits based on some other discussions I’ve had recently on this forum. I do not know if that is the extent of what the AVR is doing even in pass-through mode that gets the signal there but it does for both of my sources.


So the following is my setup that I asking for HDMI cable recommendations on:


Projector is JVC RS600. Sources are as follows:


Input 1: C61K DirecTV 4K Client direct to RS600
Input 2: Samsung K8500 4K DVD Player direct to RS600


Nothing will go thru my AVR. Please keep in mind the cable length is 40'


Thanks very much.
I much prefer connecting via my Denon 4200 AVR than previously going directly to the JVC. I have both the Samsung UHD player and a Directv C61K. I am using a 25 foot Blue Jeans Series-1 passive HDMI cable from the AVR to my RS500.

Your Marantz should have an Information OSD that reports the input and output video signal. With my Denon, I can see that it is receiving resolution, color space, and bit depth that I expect and is outputting the same resolution, color space, and bit depth.

Note that I do have a HDFury Integral between the Samsung player and my AVR in order to be able to get BT.2020 SDR when I prefer it over HDR during UHD disc playback.

Also note that I swapped a Monoprice Redmere active cable for the Blue Jeans passive. There is speculation that the Samsung player does not output the correct voltage for active HDMI cables to use; especially at longer lengths. And going through an AVR or Integral with a short cable will usually address that issue since they will ouput correct voltage.

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Last night We changed to watch a different 3D movie, then the problem seems to disappear. But I did recharged the glasses longer. Not sure if it is related to battery charging ? I will check when I get to watch different movies .

Anyway, 3D in this JVC rs500 is really good. It is definitely better than my old Epson 5030ub. It is brighter for sure. And JVC glasses is really good as well. The brightness was only lowered a little after putting on the glasses. I am impressed.
If you haven't already done so, for 3D viewing try setting High Lamp, Lens Aperture = 0 (Auto 2), and
Input Signal -> 3D Setting -> Crosstalk Cancel -> +8

Raising the Crosstalk Cancel setting makes a big improvement in 3D brightness.
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