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Not sure, but probably true since it's really a game system. Still, it does come with UHD support for a great price. I'm just curious how well it compares to they two players out there in the video department. I'm sure someone will get it if they don't have it already. Heck, I might, but was hoping to get a report first since I already have the Samsung and don't need another inferior player while I wait for the Oppo.
Anyone who purchased one of the JVC projectors is probably not a true gamer. And no bitstreaming of HD audio means there is no reason to even consider it as a UHD disc player.

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Being a week old (ab)user of the X750, I am not sure if I can achieve a similar effect by changing the aspect ratio in the projector to fill my scope screen. I hope I can.
The aspect ratio will be wrong. It will look terrible.
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Anyone who purchased one of the JVC projectors is probably not a true gamer. And no bitstreaming of HD audio means there is no reason to even consider it as a UHD disc player.
Serious gamers who are serious HT addicts have two projectors! And one of them is a JVC.
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hi all,

I have a rs600 and never did any calibaration

whats the thoughts on the auto cal? is it noticeably better?

what sensor do i get spyder5? which version?

thanks for the help
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Please share your impression on both of them. I have both but has not watched it. Thx
I watched the Flight of the Butterflies 3 times last night, 2 times in 3D and the last in UHD / SDR / BT2020.

This documentary was definitely filmed with 3D in mind, not subtle. On some of the macro 3D extreme close ups, it's clear they are using the expensive IMAX 3D cameras used in Kingdom of the Plants.

The ATMOS soundtrack is also great, tons of nature sounds from all over, real sense of being in these remote locations in Mexico where the Monarch's migrate to.

The UHD / SDR / BT2020 looked great, colors popping off the screen, certainly worth a 2nd viewing with the UHD disk. But when folks come over, I am demo'ing the 3D version.

highly recommend to purchase and check out.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Flight...lu-ray/149217/
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I watched the Flight of the Butterflies 3 times last night, 2 times in 3D and the last in UHD / SDR / BT2020.

This documentary was definitely filmed with 3D in mind, not subtle. On some of the macro 3D extreme close ups, it's clear they are using the expensive IMAX 3D cameras used in Kingdom of the Plants.

The ATMOS soundtrack is also great, tons of nature sounds from all over, real sense of being in these remote locations in Mexico where the Monarch's migrate to.

The UHD / SDR / BT2020 looked great, colors popping off the screen, certainly worth a 2nd viewing with the UHD disk. But when folks come over, I am demo'ing the 3D version.

highly recommend to purchase and check out.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Flight...lu-ray/149217/
Does the 3D disc come with the UHD disc, or is it a separate purchase?
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Does the 3D disc come with the UHD disc, or is it a separate purchase?
3D disk is included, both disks have the ATMOS sound track. definitely worth checking out if you like IMAX docs.
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Serious gamers who are serious HT addicts have two projectors! And one of them is a JVC.
True hardcore gamers like myself do not buy into the hyperbole of input lag being a factor in my gaming.

I play on the JVC 750 exclusively (coming from a x500 previously) and have nothing but good things to say.

Loving Forza Horizon 3 and kicking ass at it. Do believe the negativity about the gaming side, it is WAY overblown by reviews that have never even hooked up a console to it.
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True hardcore gamers like myself do not buy into the hyperbole of input lag being a factor in my gaming.

I play on the JVC 750 exclusively (coming from a x500 previously) and have nothing but good things to say.

Loving Forza Horizon 3 and kicking ass at it. Do believe the negativity about the gaming side, it is WAY overblown by reviews that have never even hooked up a console to it.


As a hardcore gamer are you saying that going from a projector with 25ms of input lag to one with 120ms that you wouldn't notice a difference as a "hardcore" gamer. I notice in your profile your in IT so you likely understand ping times as a gamer. Would you also say that if you had a choice between two networks and from host to host you could get 25ms response or 120ms response that you wouldn't notice it?

When I used to play on PC it was a huge deal to find a server with the best ping to you and honestly if you were playing on servers with excessive ping times it wasn't a good experience.

I'm not saying it doesn't bother you but to discredit the fact that there is a difference adding up to 6x the input lag doesn't have an affect on the experience.

Im not just saying this in have a dual projector setup and can feed each the same signal via a lumagen Pro and the difference is clear in the response time, it's actually visible on the screen.
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True hardcore gamers like myself do not buy into the hyperbole of input lag being a factor in my gaming.

I play on the JVC 750 exclusively (coming from a x500 previously) and have nothing but good things to say.

Loving Forza Horizon 3 and kicking ass at it. Do believe the negativity about the gaming side, it is WAY overblown by reviews that have never even hooked up a console to it.
It's not hyperbole. I have a Planar 8150 (16ms) and have had an RS4910 (125ms) and have an RS600 (presumably the same ~125ms but I haven't bothered to measure it). There is a significant difference and I am not a hardcore gamer. Forza is much, much harder on the JVC than the Planar, shooters like Halo/Battlefront are basically impossible to play with any speed. The only reason I still have the Planar is because gaming is not enjoyable on the JVC.

That said, it's clear that lag is somewhat like DLP RBE, some people are just more sensitive to it than others. I don't know if it's a physiological thing, where some folks are just naturally less sensitive, or if it's environmental, i.e. some folks just got used to high lag and have trained themselves to play with it. I suspect it's some of both.

I will say, if you enjoy gaming on a JVC and are having success with it, don't try a low lag display, it may ruin your enjoyment of gaming on the JVC.
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As a hardcore gamer are you saying that going from a projector with 25ms of input lag to one with 120ms that you wouldn't notice a difference as a "hardcore" gamer. I notice in your profile your in IT so you likely understand ping times as a gamer. Would you also say that if you had a choice between two networks and from host to host you could get 25ms response or 120ms response that you wouldn't notice it?

When I used to play on PC it was a huge deal to find a server with the best ping to you and honestly if you were playing on servers with excessive ping times it wasn't a good experience.

I'm not saying it doesn't bother you but to discredit the fact that there is a difference adding up to 6x the input lag doesn't have an affect on the experience.

Im not just saying this in have a dual projector setup and can feed each the same signal via a lumagen Pro and the difference is clear in the response time, it's actually visible on the screen.
Network lag and input lag are 2 entirely different beasts.

When I was looking at the X500 a couple years back all the negative press was starting to scare me off, so much so that i picked up an Epson 50xx (cant recall the model now) just to compare for a few days.

I did not affect me in the least, nor did it impact my KD:R in CoD or any other online shooter I tried.

I think that a lot of the issue revolves around the misconception of what input lag is and how big an impact it has.

When we are seeing times of 140ms we are talking about 1/6 of a second of lag. ONE SIXTH. Of a single second. Unless you are playing on a professional level you are not going to even notice this, and i would be willing to bet most pros may not either.

I play anything and everything and have no issues at all. Twitchiest game being Final Fantasy 14 online, where you need split second timing on boss fights and have no problem.
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True hardcore gamers like myself do not buy into the hyperbole of input lag being a factor in my gaming.

I play on the JVC 750 exclusively (coming from a x500 previously) and have nothing but good things to say.

Loving Forza Horizon 3 and kicking ass at it. Do believe the negativity about the gaming side, it is WAY overblown by reviews that have never even hooked up a console to it.
I think you'll find it difficult to define "true gamer" on these forums. Many have 2 projectors for this reason. They consider themselves "true gamers"... maybe even "gamer freaks"!
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hi all,

I have a rs600 and never did any calibaration

whats the thoughts on the auto cal? is it noticeably better?

what sensor do i get spyder5? which version?

thanks for the help
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I watched the Flight of the Butterflies 3 times last night, 2 times in 3D and the last in UHD / SDR / BT2020.

This documentary was definitely filmed with 3D in mind, not subtle. On some of the macro 3D extreme close ups, it's clear they are using the expensive IMAX 3D cameras used in Kingdom of the Plants.

The ATMOS soundtrack is also great, tons of nature sounds from all over, real sense of being in these remote locations in Mexico where the Monarch's migrate to.

The UHD / SDR / BT2020 looked great, colors popping off the screen, certainly worth a 2nd viewing with the UHD disk. But when folks come over, I am demo'ing the 3D version.

highly recommend to purchase and check out.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Flight...lu-ray/149217/
Thanks Jason. Good to hear you preferred 3D over UHD. I will check it out 3D firstly as well this weekend!
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3D disk is included, both disks have the ATMOS sound track. definitely worth checking out if you like IMAX docs.
Thanks Jason, order placed! You've been costing me a lot in discs recently!
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It's not hyperbole. I have a Planar 8150 (16ms) and have had an RS4910 (125ms) and have an RS600 (presumably the same ~125ms but I haven't bothered to measure it). There is a significant difference and I am not a hardcore gamer. Forza is much, much harder on the JVC than the Planar, shooters like Halo/Battlefront are basically impossible to play with any speed. The only reason I still have the Planar is because gaming is not enjoyable on the JVC.

That said, it's clear that lag is somewhat like DLP RBE, some people are just more sensitive to it than others. I don't know if it's a physiological thing, where some folks are just naturally less sensitive, or if it's environmental, i.e. some folks just got used to high lag and have trained themselves to play with it. I suspect it's some of both.

I will say, if you enjoy gaming on a JVC and are having success with it, don't try a low lag display, it may ruin your enjoyment of gaming on the JVC.
But statements like this "Halo/Battlefront are basically impossible to play with any speed." are hyperbole.

You are saying that because there is 1/6 of a seconds worth of lag that a game is unplayable. That is completely untrue.

I do agree that it is possibly like the DLP rainbows, that some people are affected, but I would guess that the vast majority are not, mush like RBE.

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3D disk is included, both disks have the ATMOS sound track. definitely worth checking out if you like IMAX docs.
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But statements like this "Halo/Battlefront are basically impossible to play with any speed." are hyperbole.

You are saying that because there is 1/6 of a seconds worth of lag that a game is unplayable. That is completely untrue.
For me it is. I can't successfully aim at anything, I always when I turn to aim, I always overshoot what I'm aiming at by a large amount because it doesn't stop when I'm expecting it to. My friends have found the same thing. A few seconds of playing on the JVC and they can tell something's wrong, and Halo/Battlefront etc are most certainly anything but fun to play. Sure I can play them, but I have to slow down my actions so much to successfully hit anything I'm trying to aim at, it's just not worth playing.

Hence I still have my Planar 8150, which is worth $1500+ on the used market, so that should tell you how "bad" gaming is to me on my RS600.
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Has anyone bought a Xbox One S and tried watching a UHD-BD on it? In HDR? If so, how well did it perform?
I have, to me it is as good as the Panasonic 4K player with HDR. The Xbox only does 7.1 pcm but you can still use the Atmos and DTS X up mixer so it sounds just as good. I ended up selling the Panasonic.

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I have, to me it is as good as the Panasonic 4K player with HDR. The Xbox only does 7.1 pcm but you can still use the Atmos and DTS X up mixer so it sounds just as good. I ended up selling the Panasonic.
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Thanks! That is great news! My Marantz pre-amp does Atmos and DTS:X, but I've yet to go through the labor intensive process of trying to install overhead speakers. Unfortunately, my joists run perpendicular to any runs, so haven't done it yet. We're probably moving next year, so will likely not do anything overhead until I build a new theater elsewhere. As such, Atmos isn't a show stopper and also have ability to take 7.1 and matrix it. What I wanted to know was how good of a job the Xbox S does with video / HDR. If it's as good as the Panasonic like you say, $299 can't be beat. That's cheaper than the Samsung was when it came out and a lot less than the Panny. May just need to order one.
I've only had my X750R for a week, and am still tweaking. I have the XBOX One S, mostly because of wanting a device cable of streaming 4K like Netflix and VUDU and to play UHD disks (and I also enjoy games). I have only used it for Netflix so far and the 4K looks fantastic. I haven't tried a UHD disk yet but will soon. I considered the ROKU, but decided the Xbox had more to offer me overall.

As a side note, I am using the Monoprice redmere cables and on a 40 foot run. (4K / 12 bit) So far so good....
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Does zombie 10 basic getting started information apply to the JVC 950R?
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Hi, I wouldn't bother with the old MV3D kits, I could never tune them as well as the Xpand 105RF's work out of the box. (MV3D transmitter is proprietary, will not work with JVC or Xpand RF glasses..)

The JVC transmitter is ~ $100, you can get an Xpand RF transmitter for 1/2 price here + a pair of glasses (non horizontal polarization, worth about $35 alone).

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If you are specifically looking for the horizontal polarization glasses, they are model # X105-RF-X3

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I just received that "kit" that comes with one pair of glasses and the emitter. The glasses are labeled as "Lite RF" and the model number of the glasses is Lite RF (X105-M1 BT). Are these glasses any different than the X105-RF-X1, and if so, how? I want 4 pairs of great glasses. So I'm wondering if I need to buy 3 of the X105-RF-X1 or 4 of them (4 if the Lite RF glasses that come with the emitter are not as good). Thanks!
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I just received that "kit" that comes with one pair of glasses and the emitter. The glasses are labeled as "Lite RF" and the model number of the glasses is Lite RF (X105-M1 BT). Are these glasses any different than the X105-RF-X1, and if so, how? I want 4 pairs of great glasses. So I'm wondering if I need to buy 3 of the X105-RF-X1 or 4 of them (4 if the Lite RF glasses that come with the emitter are not as good). Thanks!
those glasses are identical, they are just branded for Mitsubishi as part of the package.

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Thanks! That is great news! My Marantz pre-amp does Atmos and DTS:X, but I've yet to go through the labor intensive process of trying to install overhead speakers. Unfortunately, my joists run perpendicular to any runs, so haven't done it yet. We're probably moving next year, so will likely not do anything overhead until I build a new theater elsewhere. As such, Atmos isn't a show stopper and also have ability to take 7.1 and matrix it. What I wanted to know was how good of a job the Xbox S does with video / HDR. If it's as good as the Panasonic like you say, $299 can't be beat. That's cheaper than the Samsung was when it came out and a lot less than the Panny. May just need to order one.
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Basically the current models are being replaced with 4K UHD models, so this is not a surprise.
Nice little mini-review from Audioholics on the Oppo (with a quick Cedia video w/ Jason from Oppo too!). It's worth it if you haven't seen it yet .

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