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True hardcore gamers like myself do not buy into the hyperbole of input lag being a factor in my gaming.

I play on the JVC 750 exclusively (coming from a x500 previously) and have nothing but good things to say.

Loving Forza Horizon 3 and kicking ass at it. Do believe the negativity about the gaming side, it is WAY overblown by reviews that have never even hooked up a console to it.


This was a quick test I did. To me, this is not hyperbole. I can clearly see the delay and that's the delay we feel when gaming, it just feels off.



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Has anyone bought a Xbox One S and tried watching a UHD-BD on it? In HDR? If so, how well did it perform?
Yes. I also have a Philips BDP7501. I think the Xbox One S looks a bit better. I am using the stock BT.2020 color profile—I have not done a calibration of it.

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I have a rs600 and never did any calibaration

whats the thoughts on the auto cal? is it noticeably better?

what sensor do i get spyder5? which version?
I manually calibrated the Natural + Reference color profile last night for Rec.709, and it took a very long time because I had to significantly change the settings from their default zero values in order to get Gamma 2.2. The Gamma was otherwise around 1.8. The biggest thing was I had to start with Gamma > White > Picture Tone at the max negative value.

I have a Spyder5Elite arriving soon at which point I will perform an auto calibration of both User + Reference and User + BT.2020 color profiles. The Elite version is the one advertised as supporting projectors.
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Nice little mini-review from Audioholics on the Oppo (with a quick Cedia video w/ Jason from Oppo too!). It's worth it if you haven't seen it yet .

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Hmm... "RS-232 for control"... does that mean it has no capability for control over Ethernet? If so, bummer.
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Hmm... "RS-232 for control"... does that mean it has no capability for control over Ethernet? If so, bummer.
We'll have to wait and see but IIRC they have in the past.
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not yet, i can't bring myself to put the disk in the player I thought the trailer was that bad. guide me to a good part to jump right to....

I did watch the last 30 minutes of Transformers Age of Extinction 3D. I never saw this movie, only a demo on my ATMOS Demo disk. Started @ 2:20 with the Dinobots and it's just insane destruction for the next 30 mins. house was shaking, great LFE and ATMOS demo.
Start with Chapter 8 (the valley battle) and if you like what you see then start over as the whole movies CGI is that good throughout (the movies really not bad but the 3D is excellent).
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Foxconnect has a 4K UHD sale on again thru 10/9/16
Thanks for the info. - just added to my 4k collection and free shipping to boot.
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those glasses are identical, they are just branded for Mitsubishi as part of the package.

Thanks. I tried the 3D last night on the RS500 for the first time. Very impressive! My only slight gripe is that I can see flickering in bright scenes with lots of the same color, for example a sunny blue sky. This was the same as with my Sony VW95, as I am very sensitive to flicker/refresh rate. I was really impressed with the lack of ghosting. For instance the floating lantern scene in Tangle where the lantern is WAY out in front of the screen, deep into the room. Not a hint or trace of ghosting. Kudos to JVC.

Regarding the settings in the 3D menu on the JVC - what are those useful for? What settings do you use or find useful and in what situations? Thanks!
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This was a quick test I did. To me, this is not hyperbole. I can clearly see the delay and that's the delay we feel when gaming, it just feels off.


https://youtu.be/YkxdDFTfU-g

https://youtu.be/S8_VlN79UMc
I see the delay (easy to see, your videos demonstrate it very well). Also, good to see it is minimal from my point of view (casual gamer). I now understand the difference it can make for hardcore and professional gamers.
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I am (slowly) making the jump to 4K UHD...

I have bought Deapool, Star Trek Into Darkness, Mad Max and Oblivion in UHD.
I am waiting for my High Speed Certified HDMI cables to arrive. (I ordered 3, hoping at lease one will be OK...)
I have purchased the Spyder5 to autocalibrate my RS500 since there seems to be no other way to calibrate for BT2020 and GammaD as of right now.

I will order the new OPPO as soon as it is available, and then, WOW! (hopefully)

One question...I keep reading about the Sony discs with their secret clipping patterns...are those patterns on EVERY Sony 4k UHD disc? specifically, are they on any disc I mentioned above?
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I am (slowly) making the jump to 4K UHD...

I have bought Deapool, Star Trek Into Darkness, Mad Max and Oblivion in UHD.
I am waiting for my High Speed Certified HDMI cables to arrive. (I ordered 3, hoping at lease one will be OK...)
I have purchased the Spyder5 to autocalibrate my RS500 since there seems to be no other way to calibrate for BT2020 and GammaD as of right now.

I will order the new OPPO as soon as it is available, and then, WOW! (hopefully)

One question...I keep reading about the Sony discs with their secret clipping patterns...are those patterns on EVERY Sony 4k UHD disc? specifically, are they on any disc I mentioned above?
And to add to that - how do you pull up the hidden patterns on the Sony discs?
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Nice little mini-review from Audioholics on the Oppo (with a quick Cedia video w/ Jason from Oppo too!). It's worth it if you haven't seen it yet .

Oh and nice new Avatar you sexy beast!
Thanks ! And good news - my two PC12 + subs aren't dead. So the friends that were here last weekend when The Dark Knight Rises nearly fried them said " lets watch Edge of Tomorrow this Sat. night ". Now I think they are out to kill my subs ! Looking forward to watching this again on my RS600 !
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Everyone who has watched this has said it looks great. Why don't you just watch it and let us know if you agree.

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I see the delay (easy to see, your videos demonstrate it very well). Also, good to see it is minimal from my point of view (casual gamer). I now understand the difference it can make for hardcore and professional gamers.
IMO the whole "casual" vs "hardcore" distinction is meaningless. I'd call myself a casual gamer, but the lag is a huge issue for me. I've said it before, but I really think lag is a lot like DLP's RBE, some people are bothered by it, some aren't. Lag being an issue seems to have more to do with physiology and experience (past playing on low lag vs high lag displays) than on the "type" of gamer you are. If you're worried about it, I'd consider taking your gaming system to a store and trying it out.
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Thanks. I tried the 3D last night on the RS500 for the first time. Very impressive! My only slight gripe is that I can see flickering in bright scenes with lots of the same color, for example a sunny blue sky. This was the same as with my Sony VW95, as I am very sensitive to flicker/refresh rate. I was really impressed with the lack of ghosting. For instance the floating lantern scene in Tangle where the lantern is WAY out in front of the screen, deep into the room. Not a hint or trace of ghosting. Kudos to JVC.

Regarding the settings in the 3D menu on the JVC - what are those useful for? What settings do you use or find useful and in what situations? Thanks!
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And to add to that - how do you pull up the hidden patterns on the Sony discs?
Congrats Rick! There are a ton of great 3D's you now have to go thru (if you need a contact for just 3D discs let me know). The issue you are sensitive to is something we've been hashing over since the RS50/60 days in that JVC has never sped up their refresh rate, but like DLP-RBM not all have issues (like me; not once but then I didn't either w/ my myriad of every Sharp DLP version from 9K-20Ku!).

The 3D setting for brightness (the 2nd one for 'crosstalk cancel'), will help light output but at the expense of exposing far side ghosting (or real hard edges from dark to light transitions), but some here "swear" by it having no downside even at +8 (my max tolerance level which ChadB agreed was +4).

The Sony UHD patterns while not playing the movie (on the menu), is '7669' on the remote keys.

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This was a great suggestion too (much better!).
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Everyone who has watched this has said it looks great. Why don't you just watch it and let us know if you agree.
I don't have 40ft 4k cable until next Wednesday so I can only play 1080p I will definitely do it later next week.
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Has anyone watched Star Trek Beyond in UHD on VUDU yet? I know it's been out there for a few days now and was wondering how it looked on the RS500 streamed from VUDU in UHD.
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The only other thing I'll say about the X105's that appears to be different from my only pair of JVC's is in the nose bridge construction which "seems" thinner. I just cracked another pair of glasses last week (3 so far in a two year period), while stretching the stems to get/fit around my head (the inside of the bridge cracks but my OEMs are still going strong).
Have you ever tried heating/warming them a bit first, before stretching the stems? That may reduce the compression stress. Or, if I'm understanding correctly what you're doing, not trying to 'wishbone' them which stresses the bridge. Instead, secure one end of the stem while bending the other end (i.e., do one at a time).
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This was a quick test I did. To me, this is not hyperbole. I can clearly see the delay and that's the delay we feel when gaming, it just feels off.
Can you do video showing you flick the stick and movement on screen. I'm interested to see the delay between hitting stick and movement. Great videos cheers.
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Have you ever tried heating/warming them a bit first, before stretching the stems? That may reduce the compression stress. Or, if I'm understanding correctly what you're doing, not trying to 'wishbone' them which stresses the bridge. Instead, secure one end of the stem while bending the other end (i.e., do one at a time).
It's very hard thin plastic so not sure what you mean by "warming" but if you read out on the internets it's a widespread problem and after the 1st set cracked I've been very careful but still cracked another 2 (and fwiw I don't have an Abby-normal head,,, avg 7.25 hat size). Do you own these?

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Guys I got the JVC BT2020 profile imported and watched my first 4K HDR movie last night (in HDR, now WCG+SDR). It was Lucy. I was saving this movie for this very occassion as I had never seen it. Wow is all I can say. To say it was sensational is an understatment. Between the highlights of the HDR and the WCG and the Atmos track it was just insane on every level. Pure eye and ear candy. I haven't run the autocal yet (plan on getting to that today) but did calibrate 100% and 20% to D65 with gains and offsets.

One thing that surprised me a bit is that I had read so much here about people not liking HDR on the JVC and using the Integral to get WCG+SDR. Having experienced Lucy last night in HDR I don't see what the objection is. It was plenty bright, the blacks still looked plenty black to me (remember I spent the past 3 years with a Sony VW95 which has poor native on/off compared to the JVC so maybe I'm just used to much worse he he). I had the lamp on High with iris at -3, and had the picture zoomed to fill my 2.37 AR 140" wide 0.95 gain Center Stage XD screen. I had prepurchased a Integral and have it sitting here unopened expecting not to like HDR and now I wonder if I'll even need it.

Edit: Also I meant to add that for my gamma D menu I used +12 on tone, and +5 on bright and dark. These were blindly set just based on roughly Manni's and JVCs general recommendation.
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once you get to view more UHD content, the experience can vary between different titles. You went for one of the best titles first

I use SDR for the consistency and running the iris clamped for max contrast. With the HDFury you can quickly have both options.
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Guys I got the JVC BT2020 profile imported and watched my first 4K HDR movie last night (in HDR, now WCG+SDR). It was Lucy. I was saving this movie for this very occassion as I had never seen it. Wow is all I can say. To say it was sensational is an understatment. Between the highlights of the HDR and the WCG and the Atmos track it was just insane on every level. Pure eye and ear candy. I haven't run the autocal yet (plan on getting to that today) but did calibrate 100% and 20% to D65 with gains and offsets.

One thing that surprised me a bit is that I had read so much here about people not liking HDR on the JVC and using the Integral to get WCG+SDR. Having experienced Lucy last night in HDR I don't see what the objection is. It was plenty bright, the blacks still looked plenty black to me (remember I spent the past 3 years with a Sony VW95 which has poor native on/off compared to the JVC so maybe I'm just used to much worse he he). I had the lamp on High with iris at -3, and had the picture zoomed to fill my 2.37 AR 140" wide 0.95 gain Center Stage XD screen. I had prepurchased a Integral and have it sitting here unopened expecting not to like HDR and now I wonder if I'll even need it.

Edit: Also I meant to add that for my gamma D menu I used +12 on tone, and +5 on bright and dark. These were blindly set just based on roughly Manni's and JVCs general recommendation.
The issue is the high lamp, iris -3 and no dynamic iris. You may think black levels are OK, but they are raised with these settings. Put the integral in or just watch Lucy in 1080p in low lamp iris at -13 iris auto2.

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Non-linear stretch?

Short of getting a Radiance Pro - is there any reasonably priced device I can add that will give me non-linear stretch for HD and 4K sources so that I can watch 16:9 content filling my 2.37 AR screen? I knew this going into it, but 16:9 content looks so small and its a shame to leave all that wasted screen space behind masking panels the majority of the time - even if the NLS isn't perfect... Thanks!
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It's very hard thin plastic so not sure what you mean by "warming" but if you read out on the internets it's a widespread problem and after the 1st set cracked I've been very careful but still cracked another 2 (and fwiw I don't have an Abby-normal head,,, avg 7.25 hat size). Do you own these?
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Guys...your jaws with drop with Pacific Rim in UHD. Looked marvelous to both Ralph Potts and I (he came to visit California this week) and we were both blown away. Furthermore, the Atmos track kicks some serious a$$.

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