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You are killing me mannnn. Guess what !!!! I am going to order one now. Ok so the images you post are jaw dropping. No doubt. Are these 1080P upconverted or 4K images? If its 4K then may be not an apple to apple comparison. I better comparison would be to post a 1080P movie image upconverted (if you don't mind).
Also what screen gain and size are you using and where is the IRIS set?
I'm using a .8 AT screen 130" 2.35. I have my iris set to -5 but obviously don't get that punchy image even though my whole room is covered by black velvet. Today, I ordered SAT 4K which is supposed to be a 1.18 gain.

Prometheus is not available in 4K/UHD (yet)
It's a 1080p Bluray upconverted in the Panasonic Player to 4K

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Nice screen shots, this one looks kinda like me in the morning.
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Prometheus is not available in 4K/UHD (yet)
It's a 1080p Bluray upconverted in the Panasonic Player to 4K

12' Throw to a 120" 16:9 1.3 gain screen, remote powered drop down I bought on ebay 8 years ago for $250 shipped
My viewing distance is ~ 9' eyes to screen

JVC X750 in Low Lamp mode with zombie10k's settings, Iris clamped down -10, Auto 2

Lots more pics (4K and 1080) in my build thread
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I was going to convince you to get Darbee and you convince me to buy Panny. errrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Well guess what !!!!! Just placed the order and will pickup today on my way home from the store. I also ordered Prometheus hehe. I can return Sammy so no sweat. I'll be able to compare and see how well it looks.

My projector is calibrated with HDMI input set to Super White. When I switch it to Auto, it brings A very good punch and brightness to image but crushes a little bit of shadow details. It doesn't crush black level cause I checked with 100% black pattern. So I might give it a shot. I really don't notice shadow details disappearing but do notice the image being not so punch due to lack of screen gain. Unless I put the lamp on High, it doesn't get that look.

Oh well.... Panny + new 1.18 gain screen might just do it. If not then Auto it is.
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You are killing me mannnn. Guess what !!!! I am going to order one now. Ok so the images you post are jaw dropping. No doubt. Are these 1080P upconverted or 4K images? If its 4K then may be not an apple to apple comparison. I better comparison would be to post a 1080P movie image upconverted (if you don't mind).
Also what screen gain and size are you using and where is the IRIS set?
I'm using a .8 AT screen 130" 2.35. I have my iris set to -5 but obviously don't get that punchy image even though my whole room is covered by black velvet. Today, I ordered SAT 4K which is supposed to be a 1.18 gain.
Looking forward to your review of the Severtson SAT 4K screen material.
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How/Why are you getting HDR on a non-HDR disc?
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How/Why are you getting HDR on a non-HDR disc?
I think that's a feature on the Integral, no? I have one but, never tried.
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I think that's a feature on the Integral, no? I have one but, never tried.
Hmmm, didn't think the integral could add HDR. Also, if Pio is somehow getting HDR on a regular blu ray, wouldn't that trigger Gamma D on the JVC/ And, if it did, wouldn't that cause all kinds of issues?
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Hmmm, didn't think the integral could add HDR. Also, if Pio is somehow getting HDR on a regular blu ray, wouldn't that trigger Gamma D on the JVC/ And, if it did, wouldn't that cause all kinds of issues?

I thinks its a false flag in the Panny player,
I don't think its the HDFury Integral, at least one other JVC user in my build thread (without an HDFury)
was concerned when he saw the same thing with his JVC on 1080p blurays.

link: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/15-gen...l#post47213529

..and it definitely does not disable the dynamic iris like Real HDR does on 4K/UHD blurays.
I still get deep inky fade to 100% blacks

anyone else care to check theirs?

all settings in my Panasonic UB900 set to default/auto modes

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Hmmm, didn't think the integral could add HDR. Also, if Pio is somehow getting HDR on a regular blu ray, wouldn't that trigger Gamma D on the JVC/ And, if it did, wouldn't that cause all kinds of issues?
Yeah, I'm not really sure. I mean from the comparison pics it looks good.
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Hold on a second hereeeee. You don't have HDFury in the chain do you? I don't have HD Fury. Would I still be able to get 12 bit color without it? My Sammy shows me 8 bit.
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I thinks its a false flag in the Panny player,
I don't think its the HDFury Integral, at least one other JVC user in my build thread (without an HDFury)
was concerned when he saw the same thing with his JVC on 1080p blurays.

..and it definitely does not disable the dynamic iris like Real HDR does on 4K/UHD blurays.
I still get deep inky fade to 100% blacks

anyone else care to check theirs?

all settings in my Panasonic UB900 set to default/auto modes
I have a Panasonic UB900 and an integral and I do use it to upscale blu ray discs-----but I NEVER get it to "add" HDR under those circumstances. Gonna have to investigate this further
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Hold on a second hereeeee. You don't have HDFury in the chain do you? I don't have HD Fury. Would I still be able to get 12 bit color without it? My Sammy shows me 8 bit.
I do but only use it for 4K/UHD Bluray to swap between HDR BT.2020 <-> SDR BT.2020 (EDID 8 and EDID 10)

It has no effect on 1080 BD's

My Panasonic is set to max resolution and bit depth (4:4:4 12 Bit and Deep Color) for everything

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Pio, just to be sure, when your Pana up-scales and sends the "false" HDR flag, does your JVC automatically switch to HDR mode with Gamma D?
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Hold on a second hereeeee. You don't have HDFury in the chain do you? I don't have HD Fury. Would I still be able to get 12 bit color without it? My Sammy shows me 8 bit.
What source actually has 12 bit color ?
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I do but only use it for 4K/UHD Bluray to swap between HDR BT.2020 <-> SDR BT.2020 (EDID 8 and EDID 10)

It has no effect on 1080 BD's

My Panasonic is set to max resolution and bit depth (4:4:4 12 Bit and Deep Color) for everything
Thx. I thought Deep Color was supposed to be off No. Plus you said you have all the settings on Panny to default and Auto. I think Deep Color by default should be off. So you have Panny on 4:4: 4: 12 Bit with Deep Color on and HDFury plays no part here. This also means that you can take HDFury out of chain and will still get 12 Bit. Coolr.

Finally, what about the projector? What's your HDMI Input is set to and also the Color? I'm assuming your HDMI input is set to Auto and Color to yCBCR 4:4:4????
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The top screen shot looks better to me color / contrast wise - the bottom one looks a bit washed out.
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Pio, just to be sure, when your Pana up-scales and sends the "false" HDR flag, does your JVC automatically switch to HDR mode with Gamma D?
Nope,

as you can see here, the Panny is outputting SDR


all I did from that screen to the next was hit the info button on the JVC
Boom HDR: Yes appears, weird huh?



I'm definitely in my standard 2D Low mode (Gamma 2.3 or 2.4 iirc)

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What source actually has 12 bit color ?
None to my knowledge but what happens when source player is sending 12 bit? In his image, JVC info is showing 12 bit which means it didn't change it. So did Panny upconvert from 8 to 12 or its just the false info being sent.
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The top screen shot looks better to me color / contrast wise - the bottom one looks a bit washed out.
I think its because he has JVC menu up. When JVC shows the menu, it puts IRIS to manual I think. I'm sure the top photo is without menu and no other change. So what you see comparing Top to Bottom image is Auto Iris VS Manual Iris (I think).
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I think its because he has JVC menu up. When JVC shows the menu, it puts IRIS to manual I think. I'm sure the top photo is without menu and no other change. So what you see comparing Top to Bottom image is Auto Iris VS Manual Iris (I think).
The difference in the image is nothing more than one would expect from a hand held cell phone,
I was just trying to take a quick snap of the settings and paid no attention to focus or holding my smartphone steady
Like I do when I'm trying to intentionally capture a screen shot to show the best image quality.

C'mon guys' we all know screen shots (especially from a smartphone) are no way to judge picture quality

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Do you have Darbee to compare the upscale VS 1080P + Darbee?
I have some Sony BD changers going thru a Darblet and the same movie up-converted thru the Samsung looks overall better in PQ but I do miss that added detail and depth in contrast perception (dimensionality?), the Darblet provides to my BD collection... it's just different I guess and one of personal taste/preference (i.e. - you'll need to decide for yourself... with your own gear).


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None to my knowledge but what happens when source player is sending 12 bit? In his image, JVC info is showing 12 bit which means it didn't change it. So did Panny upconvert from 8 to 12 or its just the false info being sent.
The Panasonic UB900 can only output 12 Bit or 8 Bit

4K/UHD bluray's are all 4k/24p BT.2020 4:2:0 10-Bit

BUT, that is not a valid format for HDMI 2.0 spec so it has to be converted in the olayer



The choices in the Panny player for 4K/24p playback are 4:4:4 12 Bit OR 4:2:2 12 Bit
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Thx. I thought Deep Color was supposed to be off No. Plus you said you have all the settings on Panny to default and Auto. I think Deep Color by default should be off. So you have Panny on 4:4: 4: 12 Bit with Deep Color on and HDFury plays no part here. This also means that you can take HDFury out of chain and will still get 12 Bit. Coolr.

Finally, what about the projector? What's your HDMI Input is set to and also the Color? I'm assuming your HDMI input is set to Auto and Color to yCBCR 4:4:4????
Deep Color default is Auto in the Panny, so that's where I left it.
I have heard that it caused banding when turned on for some TV's, and some Samsung owners had issues.

Never a problem with the Panny/JVC combo for me.
So Auto (on) is fine for me.

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Deep Color default is Auto in the Panny, so that's where I left it.
I have heard that it caused banding when turned on for some TV's, and some Samsung owners had issues.

Never a problem with the Panny/JVC combo for me.
So Auto (on) is fine for me.
Thx. What about setting in projector? What do you have your HDMI Input set to and also the color input (can't remember the name but its right next to HDMI input). My HDMI input is set to Super White.
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Thx. What about setting in projector? What do you have your HDMI Input set to and also the color input (can't remember the name but its right next to HDMI input). My HDMI input is set to Super White.
I've taken screen shots on every setting for all my gear (Panny, JVC, HDFury and my AVR and posted them in my build thread (page 13)

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Have you contributed your Shootout comparisons on Zombies thread? Would be a good thing for you to do to help others who don't own both (an apples for apples comparison).
I will post a test of the 6040 when I have the time (hopefully this year) and I will compare it to the JVC lineup. I will post this in Zombies tread.
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It's been a while since I've followed this thread, so have a couple "catch-up" questions if you don't mind:

1. I'm at about 900 hrs on my original X750R bulb and did a recalbration to see if I needed to open the iris more, and I didn't have to do anything because nothing had dimmed hardly at all (measured with X1Pro and 100IRE pattern). Are others finding that the bulbs are holding their brightness to this extent?

2. Any significant firmware updates made available that I should be applying?

3. Any other key findings/things I should know about the X750R in regards to making adjustments, etc.?

4. Finally, what is the consensus on pairing the Xbox One S as a 4K player with this projector since it is not a true 4K projector (faux-K)? Would I get the same benefits? Is this a good match?
Just wanted to add a few more questions to this:

5. Is there a step-by-step guide on how to setup the projector for viewing 4k/HDR material, including how to setup peripheral devices like the player, etc.?

6. Is there a successor to the X750R from JVC for this year?
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I've taken screen shots on every setting for all my gear (Panny, JVC, HDFury and my AVR and posted them in my build thread (page 13)
Very informative page indeed. But its missing exactly what I was looking for. Its the second tab on JVC main menu right next to Picture Adjust. All your pics are capturing the first or last tab
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