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Maybe deep down I am scared I will like it and will have to start double dipping.
New releases of BD's and 4K/UHD's are already typically ~$10 more in Canada.

...and with SW TFA it could potentially be a triple dip at well over $100
$50 for the glasses and emitter, you will likely be surprised how good it looks. it's without a doubt a better experience than most 3D movie theaters. Very low contrast DLP projectors and the terrible circular polarizing glasses which I agree, look like a hazy filter over the entire image.

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I'm with ya...i'm no where as advanced as the gods on this board and my x750 is arriving Monday...im just hoping to spend an hour or two on basic setup and be happy for now, while over time, I take the time to come up to speed on calibration over the next few months/years...

Too bad there wasn't a course on this "stuff"...the information seems to be scattered over 16,000 posts which makes it very challenging to learn...all part of the hobby it will keep be busy during the dark, cold, Canadian winter.

Would you guys benefit from a pro calibration like @Chad B provides at 100-200 hours on the bulb? Absolutely!... however... if you've never seen the difference then I'm not sure you'd miss it much given the outstanding (did I mention it was outstanding?? ), OOTB accuracy; assuming you get a good one of course. If you follow Zombie's basic calibration settings, then only move forward with a Pro Cal if after the above doesn't quite blow your skirt up (or at the very least try a $125 Spyder and the FREE JVC software if the good Lord gave you a good set of... eyes & fingers!)!
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Some find the picture sharpest without eshift when playing 1080p sources.

Ymmv
... and some find the picture with eshift very organic and 35/70mm film-like when playing 1080p sources (it's a pers pref setting).
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Maybe deep down I am scared I will like it and will have to start double dipping.
New releases of BD's and 4K/UHD's are already typically ~$10 more in Canada.

...and with SW TFA it could potentially be a triple dip at well over $100
Pio, just in case you are rethinking 3D, Eastporters sold me JVC 3D glasses, I believe they said at cost $130 a piece, and the emitter was about $85, if I remember correctly. I am not persuading you to join, but just in case you are thinking of taking the plunge

PS. Movies that are not Disney releases, usually release the 3D + Regular Blu-ray simultaneously, most often in multiple disks. And the prices usually are about $5 to $10 higher than the Blu-rays. Sell the 2D to friends, recoup the money

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$50 for the glasses and emitter, you will likely be surprised how good it looks. it's without a doubt a better experience than most 3D movie theaters. Very low contrast DLP projectors and the terrible circular polarizing glasses which I agree, look like a hazy filter over the entire image.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...A2K7RN1DSQCI9O
Amazon.com won't ship those to Canada



My Canadian JVC dealer wants $100 for the emitter
and $130 ea for glasses (I would need three for my 3 seat HT)

scamazon.ca is a little better, but not much


Nope, not going to do it.
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... and some find the picture with eshift very organic and 35/70mm film-like when playing 1080p sources (it's a pers pref setting).
Agreed. The OP was asking is there was any reasoning he might not want to upscale everything with eShift, and I was pointing one out -- but not being prescriptive.

There is a difference in the image between the two approaches, but whether one is "right" is not something one can establish definitively, imo.
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Pio, just in case you are rethinking 3D, Eastporters sold me JVC 3D glasses, I believe they said at cost $130 a piece, and the emitter was about $85, if I remember correctly. I am not persuading you to join, but just in case you are thinking of taking the plunge

PS. Movies that are not Disney releases, usually release the 3D + Regular Blu-ray simultaneously, most often in multiple disks. And the prices usually are about $5 to $10 higher than the Blu-rays. Sell the 2D to friends, recoup the money
I am currently buying 4K/UHD's almost exclusively now,
Selling my 1080 BD's from the combo pack to my buddy for $10
to help recoup the upgrade cost for 4K/UHD discs.
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I'm about to pull the trigger on the X950R what do you guys feel about the factory refurbished ones selling for 5,500 with 2 years manufacture warranty?

I called and asked if its B Stock complements they claim Not, saying its all refurbished by JVC Factory with original parts identical to a new unit. Seller also seem reputable and said i can call JVC with the serial number and they can confirm the 2 year warranty.

Also said it comes with all original accessories and packaging
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Amazon.com won't ship those to Canada



My Canadian JVC dealer wants $100 for the emitter
and $130 ea for glasses (I would need three for my 3 seat HT)

scamazon.ca is a little better, but not much


Nope, not going to do it.
Try Aamir at Summit hi-fi...I can almost guarantee he will smoke the EPorters pricing...
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Would you guys benefit from a pro calibration like @Chad B provides at 100-200 hours on the bulb? Absolutely!... however... if you've never seen the difference then I'm not sure you'd miss it much given the outstanding (did I mention it was outstanding?? ), OOTB accuracy; assuming you get a good one of course. If you follow Zombie's basic calibration settings, then only move forward with a Pro Cal if after the above doesn't quite blow your skirt up (or at the very least try a $125 Spyder and the FREE JVC software if the good Lord gave you a good set of... eyes & fingers!)!
Thanks man, I'm gonna take baby steps with the x750...I had my x500 professionally calibrated by Lion AV and it made a huge difference...I will try Zombies setting and then progress to the Spyder and AutoCAl, which I know very little about...I'd like to keep this pj for a while and may go thru a couple bulbs so best to learn how to do an amateur level calibration...
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Amazon.com won't ship those to Canada



My Canadian JVC dealer wants $100 for the emitter
and $130 ea for glasses (I would need three for my 3 seat HT)

scamazon.ca is a little better, but not much


Nope, not going to do it.

Buy the OEM glasses not the aftermarket ones. There is not enough price difference to talk of anyway . Even screens that do not retain polarization are very slightly affected by the horizontal polarization . I have tried the OEM JVC glasses compared to my Xpand X105 and there is a noticeable difference for brightness and color loss. Non critical viewers would probably not notice the difference, the discriminating lot of this group will .

My screen is published to not retain polarization and I have done the regular polarized sunglasses test rotating the glasses 90degrees and cannot see any shift or dimming from one position to the other. When I switch between the JVC OEM glasses and the Xpand X105, the X104, the Sony's or Mitsubishi I had before I see the difference I described .

I paid $150ea for three pairs back in June, the emitter was $100. I'm going to buy another 3 pairs of the JVC OEM soon , I think I can get them for $130 ea now from Eastporters or Quebec acoustics. Small price to pay for the best performance and 3D on this projector is mind blowing when all the conditions are
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What AVR do you have?

I have the Marantz AV7702 MkII and I do get the false flag, checked into it last night with a regular BR.

Also double checked weather video conversion ON in the Marantz HDMI Output settings had anything to do with it and switching it off resulted in no change.

I don't even have the Fury connected at all right now so its got nothing to do with that.

Its not affecting the image though, everything looks fine. It says HDR - Yes even on the Panasonic Home screen, so .. its kind of stuck on.
I run the Panny direct to the Integral and then to the Projector. I only go through the AVR for sound using the second HDMI output on the Player, since my AVR (Anthem MRX500) is not 4K/HDMI 2.0 capable. I am hoping to step up to a proper Receiver with Atmos etc.
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Some find the picture sharpest without eshift when playing 1080p sources.

Ymmv

So by turning eshift off for 1080p sources, the pj becomes a 1080p pj? Is this something particular to eshift or do all true 4k projectors that upscale 1080p to 4K have the same effect?
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Some find the picture sharpest without eshift when playing 1080p sources.

Ymmv

So by turning off eshift it becomes a 1080p projector? Do true 4K projectors have the same problem in upscaling 1080p to 4K?
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So by turning eshift off for 1080p sources, the pj becomes a 1080p pj? Is this something particular to eshift or do all true 4k projectors that upscale 1080p to 4K have the same effect?
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So by turning off eshift it becomes a 1080p projector? Do true 4K projectors have the same problem in upscaling 1080p to 4K?
This projector has a 1080p panel.

Through eShift it can display about twice as many pixels as a normal 1080p panel, but only about half the pixels of a "real 4k panel".

So eShift is very very useful for UHD sources. It shows you a lot more detail than a normal 1080p display.

For HD sources, some people like how it upscales, and some people prefer to not upscale.

It can display HD source pixels exactly 1 for 1, and some people prefer that. Other people prefer the look of the upscaled image.
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Yes I was referring to Eastporter as my Canadian source for 3D glasses
(Where I purchased my X750 for an Awesome price)

I'm going to pass on the whole 3D thing, $450 plus double dip costs
sorry, but It's just not for me even if done extremely well, and even if it was free.

I've spent a crap load already this year, upgraded my 8/yo Flagship AVR
to a new Yamaha Flagship 4k/HDCP 2.2 HDMI 2.0a compliant for 7.4.4 Atmos
Then my new JVC X750 from an 8 y/o old Epson 1080UB,
The Panasonic UB900 and HDFury combined for another $1K, then 20+ $35 4K/UHD's.

Finally paid all that off, then last month placed an order for another $6K+
with Funk Audio for a pair of 18.0 subs with high gloss walnut crotch veneer.

...now my old speakers need to be upgraded next.
(Likely going with Funk to match the new subs, and that is not cheap for 11 of them)

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Thanks man, I'm gonna take baby steps with the x750...I had my x500 professionally calibrated by Lion AV and it made a huge difference...I will try Zombies setting and then progress to the Spyder and AutoCAl, which I know very little about...I'd like to keep this pj for a while and may go thru a couple bulbs so best to learn how to do an amateur level calibration...


On my sony vw95 I used the spears and munsil calibration disc, no cal equip, and it looked ok, finally decided to have Jeff Meier come and calibrate it, holy cow, it looked like a completely different projector so much better blacks, black shadow detail and the colors were outstanding. Of course he had tons of gear and spent hours doing that, I watched for part of it, but concluded that what he was doing was such a dance of his experience with what his equipment would read out and the adjustments he would make was just too far out there for me to hope to ever learn , let alone get calibration hardware/software and figure out how to use it. But from what many are saying the JVC looks pretty darn good oob, that perhaps with the work already done by Zombie and a relatively inexpensive hardware purchase should keep me happy until true 4K upgrade next year. I wanted to hold off , but I watch mostly new releases and so many are coming out in 4K that I've been delaying getting and just don't think I want to wait another a year getting B movies and saving the new 4K releases til then, especially with the new uhd oppo about to be available that will hopefully allow hdr to be used without need for stripping it out to enjoy the other uhd benefits.
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Yes I was referring to Eastporter as my Canadian source for 3D glasses
(Where I purchased my X750 for an Awesome price)

I'm going to pass on the whole 3D thing, $450 plus double dip costs
sorry, but It's just not for me even if done extremely well, and even if it was free.

I've spent a crap load already this year, upgraded my 8/yo Flagship AVR
to a new Yamaha Flagship 4k/HDCP 2.2 HDMI 2.0a compliant for 7.4.4 Atmos
Then my new JVC X750 from an 8 y/o old Epson 1080UB,
The Panasonic UB900 and HDFury combined for another $1K, then 20+ $35 4K/UHD's.

Finally paid all that off, then last month placed an order for another $6K+
with Funk Audio for a pair of 18.0 subs with high gloss walnut crotch veneer.

...now my old speakers need to be upgraded next.
(Likely going with Funk to match the new subs, and that is not cheap for 11 of them)

it never ends
I feel your pain...I just "sneak" it in through the basement now
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On my sony vw95 I used the spears and munsil calibration disc, no cal equip, and it looked ok, finally decided to have Jeff Meier come and calibrate it, holy cow, it looked like a completely different projector so much better blacks, black shadow detail and the colors were outstanding. Of course he had tons of gear and spent hours doing that, I watched for part of it, but concluded that what he was doing was such a dance of his experience with what his equipment would read out and the adjustments he would make was just too far out there for me to hope to ever learn , let alone get calibration hardware/software and figure out how to use it. But from what many are saying the JVC looks pretty darn good oob, that perhaps with the work already done by Zombie and a relatively inexpensive hardware purchase should keep me happy until true 4K upgrade next year. I wanted to hold off , but I watch mostly new releases and so many are coming out in 4K that I've been delaying getting and just don't think I want to wait another a year getting B movies and saving the new 4K releases til then, especially with the new uhd oppo about to be available that will hopefully allow hdr to be used without need for stripping it out to enjoy the other uhd benefits.
I "thought" I read somewhere the new Oppo was not going to provide that feature
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This projector has a 1080p panel.


.....It can display HD source pixels exactly 1 for 1, and some people prefer that. Other people prefer the look of the upscaled image.

The HD 1 to 1 pixel display then gives a sharper image, and the eshift then softens it, what else does it do that some like then, or is it simply that the softer image looks more 'organic' which is their preference?
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I feel your pain...I just "sneak" it in through the basement now
Tell me about it!

Every time I get an upgrade, she expects an equal value upgrade of some sort.
Appliances, Vacations...now looking at a new Lincoln MKX/MKZ,

But I'm kind of leaning to the new Jeep Grand Cherokee TrackHawk
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I "thought" I read somewhere the new Oppo was not going to provide that feature

Well that's depressing...I thought the delay in releasing the uhd oppo was to improve upon what the other uhd players were doing, that would definitely have been an improvement if they could do it.
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I do... and I do! Watched about 5min of it and thought the colors really popped (like the yellow Ferrari I posted right after we got the Roku4 off uTube... like those colors! )!

John Archer of Forbes says it better than I ever could...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch.../#e54b7ab6dff7

What I don't understand is why does Amazon Video HDR content appear to not raise the black levels on my RS500 like so many UHD discs do played back on the same Samsung player? Not once did I think to myself...oh that should have been black and not some level of gray. Both are output as 4K24 4:4:4 10-bit BT.2020 HDR. Or do the movie studios just need to get their act together and do a better job?

Note that I watched it with low lamp, manual iris wide open. It was plenty bright at 118 inch diagonal 16:9 from 15 foot throw. I might watch it again with high lamp; even though I am skittish about using it after my previous lamp failure.

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Tell me about it!

Every time I get an upgrade, she expects an equal value upgrade of some sort.
Appliances, Vacations...now looking at a new Lincoln MKX/MKZ,

But I'm kind of leaning to the new Jeep Grand Cherokee TrackHawk
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...while I keep driving my 7 y/o 600HP Supercharged Hemi Ram
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So circling back on the 3D thing. First, I calibrated a 3D color profile through the glasses (used Kris's method of creating a profile in Calman). I want to say I think that makes a big difference, so I'd highly recommend it for anyone interested in 3D.

Second, I'll just confirm again for anyone wondering, 3D is way better on this current generation (RS600), than the prior (RS4910). My friend and I watched Start Trek on my RS600 last night, when we tried it on my prior RS4910, he "freaked out" within seconds, couldn't deal with it at all on the RS4910, but had no issue with the RS600.

So the main event. Like I said, we watched SW last night, well after the calibration, I have only one real complaint, and I think that's the flicker. For me 3D is just not as "comfortable" to watch as 2D, oddly even 2D through the glasses. That said I there was nothing really to fault with the actual image. With the calibration colors were good, it was reasonably bright, contrast was not a problem. However like when I've seen 3d at the theater, I finished the movie, basically indifferent. There were some neat moments, the Star Destroyer scene from the screenshot posted earlier, some of the scenes of ships flying. But other than that, I really could take it or leave it I think. Playing with the 3D vs 2D mode on the glasses I could see difference in depth back to back in most scenes, but it just doesn't excite me like it does others. So I guess that's my answer.

Though now I'm "even more"? excited for the 4K/UHD version. Can't wait to see Star Wars in WCG

Interesting observation but what I found so much better with this RSx00 series (and 3D over 2D in general if done well), is how much better the depth of field and the added dimensionality it brings to the film. For me it really sucks me in more than the 2D which afterward in comparison looks flat and lifeless.

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Amazon.com won't ship those to Canada



My Canadian JVC dealer wants $100 for the emitter
and $130 ea for glasses (I would need three for my 3 seat HT)

scamazon.ca is a little better, but not much


Nope, not going to do it.
You could probably check out these sites:

www.myus.com

www.borderlinx.com

You can have the Amazon order shipped to them and they'll forward it to Canada.
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Yes I was referring to Eastporter as my Canadian source for 3D glasses
(Where I purchased my X750 for an Awesome price)

I'm going to pass on the whole 3D thing, $450 plus double dip costs
sorry, but It's just not for me even if done extremely well, and even if it was free.

I've spent a crap load already this year, upgraded my 8/yo Flagship AVR
to a new Yamaha Flagship 4k/HDCP 2.2 HDMI 2.0a compliant for 7.4.4 Atmos
Then my new JVC X750 from an 8 y/o old Epson 1080UB,
The Panasonic UB900 and HDFury combined for another $1K, then 20+ $35 4K/UHD's.

Finally paid all that off, then last month placed an order for another $6K+
with Funk Audio for a pair of 18.0 subs with high gloss walnut crotch veneer.

...now my old speakers need to be upgraded next.
(Likely going with Funk to match the new subs, and that is not cheap for 11 of them)

it never ends

Compared to what you have spent the $450 is peanuts, but if 3D is not your thing, I fully understand . The double dipping is definitely an issue, I find myself buying the 4K and 3D versions separately more often than not and in Canada that can be pricey . But hey, I knew it was an expensive hobby and I'm not going to concern myself with the movie budget now. I wouldn't buy an expensive sports car and not drive it because it burns too much gas, just doesn't make sense . Besides, I gave up all TV/phone packages, home and the cottage . I watch movies and stream what I want, that is it. Plenty of gas for the toys and plenty of movies for the projector, life is good.
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Interesting observation but what I found so much better with this RSx00 series (and 3D over 2D in general if done well), is how much better the depth of field and the added dimensionality it brings to the film. For me it really sucks me in more than the 2D which afterward in comparison looks flat and lifeless.
+1. Except for the fast motions where things can get a bit "jumpy", I am thoroughly enjoying the 3D, and much much more than the 2D. Say what you want, but I am so glad my beginning with the X750 was with the Gravity 3D. God, the black space, and shiny debris hitting you in 3D still gives me goosebumps; literally.

PS. Lol, looks like I'm not the only one. Just did a gravity 3d review and these came up:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...-about-3D.html

I just couldn't not quote a couple paragraphs:

But if the story and characters don’t grab us, are we really going to get excited by added bells and whistles? And ye gods, did I really graduate to contact lenses only to find myself wearing spectacles in the cinema all over again? It’s more trouble than it’s worth.

Until now. With Gravity, Alfonso Cuarón has gone and upset my apple cart by using 3D in a way I’ve never seen before. Yes, we get the Ooh, look! Space debris whizzing past my face! effect. But he also harnesses the process to draw the audience directly into the plight of Sandra Bullock and George Clooney, so we experience what they’re experiencing, see what they’re seeing, feel the emptiness and awe-inspiring vastness of space itself – and all of this filmed so seamlessly you catch yourself thinking it must surely have been shot on location.
It’s immersive film-making at its finest, and the nearest we’ll ever get to actually going up there, so take a deep breath (you’ll need the oxygen), choose the biggest screen you can find (Imax if possible) and watch it in 3D. You won’t regret it
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http://www.cinemablend.com/new/3D-Or...ket-39663.html
Final Verdict: A score like 35/35 isn’t merely us suggesting that you should go see Gravity in 3D, but that you absolutely must see it in 3D. Since we’ve started publishing these To 3D or Not To 3D reviews, which goes back to 2010, only three other movies (Legend of the Guardians, Hugo, Oz The Great And Powerful) have gotten perfect scores, which puts Cuaron in a special class. Not only is Gravity a film you need to see just to witness phenomenal filmmaking, it’s a film that demands to be seen in 3D.

Next stop: (Legend of the Guardians, Hugo, Oz The Great And Powerful)
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On PS4 Pro you cant have HDR on 4k only 2k with the epson 5040 i just find that a cheap desision to save a buck from epson on a brand new product line using old HDMI chipset.

Like really? your main competition is the jvc 4k shift line and you dont match up their 2015 releases
FWIW, you're probably not going to want to game on a JVC with it's 125ms lag. And why does 4K vs 2K matter on the PS4, they're still rendering games at 1080p or less right?

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perhaps for this reason alone (check link), have you read through the owners thread? not all devices are playing nice and some are exceeding the 10.2 limit

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post48293817
Right so they should handle UHD Blu-ray just fine, and UHD streaming too, I think. Don't get me wrong, it's stupid they don't have 18Gbps support, but so far, I don't see a lot of cases where that's actually a problem. UHD Blu-ray worked (with the integral) on my RS4910, even with the crappy Samsung player.

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good to hear it was a better experience after the color cal. The refresh rate of the glasses is going to appear nearly identical on the JVC, Epson and any of the Sony projectors (1080P and 4K). The only projector i've seen that appears as rock solid in 3D vs 2D is my Sharp 30K 3D DLP and the older BenQ W7000.
IIRC these are all 48Hz per eye right? I remember with CRTs, I needed to have them set to at least 72Hz, or better 75Hz to not be bothered by flicker. I wonder I I wouldn't be completely at ease without triple flash (144Hz/72Hz per eye). The other interesting part is the "discomfort" is gone with the 3D glasses in 2D mode, indicating it might be more the alternating than the actual refresh rate that's the problem.

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There are many times I'll watch the same 3D movie on the RS600 and then a 2nd viewing on the 30K. Different experiences each with their own pros/cons. 30K's glasses are much more comfortable than the JVC /X105 and can watch 3-4 hours of 3D as if it was 2D, no eye strain.
Is the 30K a triple flash projector? And FWIW, eye strain is a bit overstating the problem, but there's definitely a different physiological feeling in 3D than 2D.

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I'm about to pull the trigger on the X950R what do you guys feel about the factory refurbished ones selling for 5,500 with 2 years manufacture warranty?

I called and asked if its B Stock complements they claim Not, saying its all refurbished by JVC Factory with original parts identical to a new unit. Seller also seem reputable and said i can call JVC with the serial number and they can confirm the 2 year warranty.
Well firstly that's exactly what a JVC B-Stock is, a projector that is no longer new, that has been back to JVC, and that JVC guarantees performs like new. I got my RS600 B-stock from AVS, however mine has the full 5 year warranty. It worries me that they say it's a 2 year warranty, that indicates to me that it's not an official JVC B-stock/refurbished unit. I'd personally pass on it, something seems fishy there.

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Interesting observation but what I found so much better with this RSx00 series (and 3D over 2D in general if done well), is how much better the depth of field and the added dimensionality it brings to the film. For me it really sucks me in more than the 2D which afterward in comparison looks flat and lifeless.
To be clear, the 3D is miles better on the RS600 than my prior RS4910. It's probably the best 3D I've experienced. It's just for me the 3D doesn't really add much to the movie, especially when it's not quite as comfortable to watch (I'd say due to flicker).
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+1. Except for the fast motions where things can get a bit "jumpy", I am thoroughly enjoying the 3D, and much much more than the 2D. Say what you want, but I am so glad my beginning with the X750 was with the Gravity 3D. God, the black space, and shiny debris hitting you in 3D still gives me goosebumps; literally.
I Loved Gravity!
but there's no way in heck I'd trade my Diamond Luxe Edition with Dolby Atmos for 3D.
...arguably One of the single best examples of Atmos Audio that's only available in 2D

Maybe I'll see if someone local has an emitter and a pair of glasses I could test drive,
I know my G/F would see no benefit (astigmatism) so that makes it an even harder sell.

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