Official JVC RS600 / RS500 (X950R / X750R - X9000 / X7000) Owners Thread - Page 669 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 84694Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #20041 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 12:09 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
AidenL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,006
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 674 Post(s)
Liked: 310
Quote:
Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post
Hmmm... thx fellas (maybe I lost my internets connection on it or something... I'll check tonight).

BTW - for anyone wanting a fun eve watching a stupid but fun Sci-Fi movie (got panned hard when it was released), we watched Batteship last night and I gotta say for a 2K DI, Hawaii looked fantastic! and the DTS:X soundtrack was even better (wow!).

Goodfellas was fairly disappointing in both video & audio (HDR was all but unwatchable at 4,000 level), except for the facial close-ups and some colors scenes (too bad... one of my FAVS).
I can't update mine from Beta either, disc in and disc out, no difference.

Pity about Goodfellas, I just received it in the post today.
krichter1 likes this.

Display : JVC X7000 Projector | SE 103" Enlightor 4k | LG 65B6 OLED |
Sources : Panasonic UDP 700 & Vertex| Apple TV4k | HTPC | Sky Q UHD Satellite | Sonos Connect | Synology 24Tb |
Audio : Marantz 8802A | Genelec 8050 LCR | Monitor Audio IDC Sides & Rears | Seaton Sub Master/Slave |
AidenL is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #20042 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 12:18 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
DavidHir's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 14,265
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2532 Post(s)
Liked: 2198
Quote:
Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post
Hmmm... thx fellas (maybe I lost my internets connection on it or something... I'll check tonight).

BTW - for anyone wanting a fun eve watching a stupid but fun Sci-Fi movie (got panned hard when it was released), we watched Batteship last night and I gotta say for a 2K DI, Hawaii looked fantastic! and the DTS:X soundtrack was even better (wow!).

Goodfellas was fairly disappointing in both video & audio (HDR was all but unwatchable at 4,000 level), except for the facial close-ups and some colors scenes (too bad... one of my FAVS).
That's too bad. The new BD looked great as this movie last year got a new 4K scan off the original negative supervised by Scorcese. It sounds like the HDR part of it didn't get implemented well as I've seen some reports with people on flat panels preferring the BD. Hoping to watch the UHD BD in SDR + rec 2020 at some point.
krichter1 likes this.
DavidHir is online now  
post #20043 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 12:19 PM
Advanced Member
 
EllisGJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 540
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 417 Post(s)
Liked: 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post
Excellent.

And I'm super jealous. He was on the left coast about this time last year. Did great work with my RS500. But that was before the most recent firmware and having UHD in the wild.

I'm got my name on a waiting list for when he returns to California but there is nothing scheduled yet ;(
Greatly appreciate contact information for Chad - please post here or PM me. Thank you!
EllisGJ is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #20044 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 12:20 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
krichter1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Earth (most days!)
Posts: 5,175
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2096 Post(s)
Liked: 2365
Quote:
Originally Posted by erkq View Post
CMD and other frame interpolation schemes always seem to stutter and fall behind in scenes with a lot of movement. Fortunately I hate the effect and always turn it off. But I thought this problem was just with the JVC RS series.

But I just set up an LG OLED 55" for a friend and it does the same thing! I turned his off too as he doesn't like that "4K look". It stutters on rapidly moving scenes too.

This just makes a bad effect even worse. It's like they don't build in enough processing power to do the job. Why do they even bother if they can't do it properly?

Anyone else notice this?
Maybe because I also turn on Motion enhance w/CMD=Low on my 'Live TV' mode I don't experience this (I use this for mostly sports and the effect seems quite good... never for movies tho!)?
erkq likes this.

Kevin

You only live once, but if you live it right, once is enough.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


==> Our 4K/3D Immersive Theater
krichter1 is offline  
post #20045 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 12:50 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
krichter1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Earth (most days!)
Posts: 5,175
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2096 Post(s)
Liked: 2365
Quote:
Originally Posted by AidenL View Post
I can't update mine from Beta either, disc in and disc out, no difference.

Pity about Goodfellas, I just received it in the post today.
Mind you it doesn't suck [if I gave that impression] but I guess maybe I was just hoping for better. SDR looked fine but any better than BD I have doubts about; at least to my eyes.

Kevin

You only live once, but if you live it right, once is enough.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


==> Our 4K/3D Immersive Theater
krichter1 is offline  
post #20046 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 12:53 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
AidenL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,006
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 674 Post(s)
Liked: 310
Quote:
Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by AidenL View Post
I can't update mine from Beta either, disc in and disc out, no difference.

Pity about Goodfellas, I just received it in the post today.
Mind you it doesn't suck [if I gave that impression] but I guess maybe I was just hoping for better. SDR looked fine but any better than BD I have doubts about; at least to my eyes.
[/quote]

Did you use the Oppo Metadata Strip for SDR? Happy with how it looks now in general?
AidenL is offline  
post #20047 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 12:55 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
nathan_h's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 9,327
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2724 Post(s)
Liked: 1956
Quote:
Originally Posted by EllisGJ View Post
Greatly appreciate contact information for Chad - please post here or PM me. Thank you!
http://www.hdtvbychadb.com
sonichart and jbrinegar like this.
nathan_h is offline  
post #20048 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 12:56 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Craig Peer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 15,796
Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6619 Post(s)
Liked: 7696
Quote:
Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post
Mind you it doesn't suck [if I gave that impression] but I guess maybe I was just hoping for better. SDR looked fine but any better than BD I have doubts about; at least to my eyes.
I think some older films just won't look that much better unfortunately. Maybe " Ben Hur " and classics that studios are willing to spend money on.
krichter1 and alebonau like this.
Craig Peer is online now  
post #20049 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 03:58 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
krichter1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Earth (most days!)
Posts: 5,175
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2096 Post(s)
Liked: 2365
Quote:
Originally Posted by AidenL View Post

Did you use the Oppo Metadata Strip for SDR? Happy with how it looks now in general?
Lets just say 'Strip' is certainly a LOT better than before the FW update but they still have work to do (still has some gamma issues IMO), and I'm really hoping they implement the great slider function used in the Panny 900 (when I had it I could def see the correction benefits on some of these challenging titles especially). I also miss the Panasonic's sharpening tool for the different levels (wish they'd all implement a 'High/Med/Low' APL area sort of like the JVC does for MPC).

Kevin

You only live once, but if you live it right, once is enough.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


==> Our 4K/3D Immersive Theater
krichter1 is offline  
post #20050 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 05:45 PM
Member
 
lgreis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 179
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Liked: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Javs View Post
People don't complain since its been around for generations, I complained when I got mine 7 months back, was quickly told its normal, along with streaking.

It doesn't kill ANSI contrast, maybe for sure in that one spot, but the issue should not be happening all over your image, only in the opposite corner of very bright highlights.

It also depends on your lens shift, where is your projector in relation to your screen? If you projector is up near the top of your screen pointing down a little, then you will have more of those reflections at the top of your screen... I think the issue is far diminished if the projector is dead centre with the screen.

Definitely on everybodies wish list for JVC to fix that's for sure. But for a projector that has 5x the contrast ratio of the next best competitor brand, unfortunately its something we have to live with.
You know what? I think you are right from the begining and its too bad, because if this doesnt hapened, this new baby of mine was perfect!!! I already received my new X7500 that jvc replaced the faulty x7000 and the problem is also there, as you said it will be, maybe 50% less than the x7000 but its there alright. I have a dalite High Power screen 2.8gain 119´, the x7500 is at 6m throw low lamp iris -15 and makes 17FL. Unfortunaly the HCFR dont read more than 0.000 of black so i dont know the real contrast that its making, but by the calculations of cine4home this beast is doing something like 140000.1 native and has the best black level that i have see in a projector, even better that the x7000. In comparation from the x7000 the x7500 has better blacks, better motion, better sharpness. Dont have bright corners but like i said before, still have internal refelctions, or halos. One thing that also does is some internal noise when eshift is activated, something that i dont remember the x7000 doing. Didnt try anything else yet... does anyone know a free program that is capable of Reading black level less than 0.000 for calculating contrast ratio?

Last edited by lgreis; 01-24-2017 at 06:56 PM.
lgreis is offline  
post #20051 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 05:48 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Javs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Sydney
Posts: 7,849
Mentioned: 475 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6791 Post(s)
Liked: 6418
Quote:
Originally Posted by lgreis View Post
You know what? I think you are right from the begining and its too bad, because if this doesnt hapened, this new baby of mine was perfect!!! I already received my new X7500 that jvc replaced the faulty x7000 and the problem is also there, as you said it will be, maybe 50% less than the x7000 but its there alright. I have a dalite High Power screen 2.8gain 119´, the x7500 is at 6m throw low lamp iris -15 and makes 17FL. Unfortunaly the HCFR dont read more than 0.000 of black so i dont know the real contrast that its making, but by the calculations of cine4home this beast is doing something like 140000.1 native and has the best black level that i have see in a projector, even better that the x7000. In comparation from the x7000 the x7500 has better blacks, better motion, better sharpness. Dont have brigh whites but like i said before, still have internal refelctions, or halos. One thing that also does is some internal noise when eshift is activated, something that i dont remember the x7000 doing. Didnt try anything else yet... does anyone know a free program that is capable of Reading black level less than 0.000 for calculating contrast ratio?
Point your meter at your lens to measure contrast, then the black reading will be a lot higher and more accurate, which is what you should be doing anyway.

Yes the old models have the e-shift noise.

JVC X9500 (RS620) | 120" 16:9 | Marantz AV7702 MkII | Emotiva XPA-7 | DIY Modular Towers | DIY TPL-150 Surrounds | DIY Atmos | DIY 18" Subs
-
MadVR Settings | UHD Waveform Analysis | Arve Tool Instructions + V3 Javs Curves
Javs is offline  
post #20052 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 06:00 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Mike Garrett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 25,564
Mentioned: 232 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11825 Post(s)
Liked: 9357
Send a message via Skype™ to Mike Garrett
Quote:
Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post
Lets just say 'Strip' is certainly a LOT better than before the FW update but they still have work to do (still has some gamma issues IMO), and I'm really hoping they implement the great slider function used in the Panny 900 (when I had it I could def see the correction benefits on some of these challenging titles especially). I also miss the Panasonic's sharpening tool for the different levels (wish they'd all implement a 'High/Med/Low' APL area sort of like the JVC does for MPC).
The next pitch should be a slider.

Last edited by Mike Garrett; 01-24-2017 at 06:04 PM.
Mike Garrett is online now  
post #20053 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 06:40 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Clark Burk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Baltimore,MD.USA
Posts: 1,943
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 682 Post(s)
Liked: 639
JohnAV posted this on the OPPO 203 owners thread. Good review if you can get it translated...

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post
Speaking of France there was also this review online also

AudioVideoHD UDP-203EU review
Interesting comments regarding the decision by OPPO to deactivate the sharpness control for 4k.

Clark
Clark Burk is offline  
post #20054 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 06:53 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Tom Bley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: IL. USA
Posts: 3,401
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 909 Post(s)
Liked: 865
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Garrett View Post
The next pitch should be a slider.
I can hit a slider, just don't throw me a curve.
Tom Bley is online now  
post #20055 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 08:28 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
stevenjw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Palm Coast, Florida, USA
Posts: 2,938
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 635 Post(s)
Liked: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post
Mine did too. May make a difference whether you have a disc in the player?

I have mine set to notify me of updates, and though I was already running the beta, I got a notification as soon as the GM release was available. Downloaded and installed without trouble.
Same here! Not sure why others aren't seeing the same thing.

...Steve
"Opinions are like orgasms… mine matters most and I really don’t care if you have one or not." ;)
 
My HT gear
stevenjw is online now  
post #20056 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 08:43 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
stevenjw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Palm Coast, Florida, USA
Posts: 2,938
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 635 Post(s)
Liked: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post
Hmmm... thx fellas (maybe I lost my internets connection on it or something... I'll check tonight).

BTW - for anyone wanting a fun eve watching a stupid but fun Sci-Fi movie (got panned hard when it was released), we watched Batteship last night and I gotta say for a 2K DI, Hawaii looked fantastic! and the DTS:X soundtrack was even better (wow!).

Goodfellas was fairly disappointing in both video & audio (HDR was all but unwatchable at 4,000 level), except for the facial close-ups and some colors scenes (too bad... one of my FAVS).
I cancelled my preorder after reading Ralph Potts review. Goodfellas was at the low end of his ratings, similar to Handcock which sucked. Other than that title, of my 30+ UHDs, only a few aren't 88+ or higher.
krichter1 likes this.

...Steve
"Opinions are like orgasms… mine matters most and I really don’t care if you have one or not." ;)
 
My HT gear
stevenjw is online now  
post #20057 of 31987 Old 01-24-2017, 10:14 PM
Senior Member
 
davisnub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 279
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked: 27
they don't make ios or android apps for controlling jvc projector anymore do they?
davisnub is offline  
post #20058 of 31987 Old 01-25-2017, 10:13 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
nathan_h's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 9,327
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2724 Post(s)
Liked: 1956
never did IIRC
nathan_h is offline  
post #20059 of 31987 Old 01-25-2017, 01:26 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
bwillcox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 2,295
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 861 Post(s)
Liked: 495
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post
Mine did too. May make a difference whether you have a disc in the player?

I have mine set to notify me of updates, and though I was already running the beta, I got a notification as soon as the GM release was available. Downloaded and installed without trouble.
I got tired of having to say NO whenever mine prompted me so I turned off the notifications. The 1229b Beta and the latest released firmware are identical so I didn't see the need to bother with it.

1) JVC DLA-NX7 & Sony 65Z9D, Yamaha CX-A5200, Outlaw Audio 7900 & 7700, UDP-203, DP-UB9000, UBP-X800M2, Roku Ultra
2) Sony 75Z9D, Yamaha RX-A3080, 2xOutlaw Audio 2200s, UDP-203, UBP-X800M2, Roku Ultra
3) Sony 75X940E, Yamaha RX-A2080, UDP-203, UBP-X800M2, Roku Ultra
bwillcox is offline  
post #20060 of 31987 Old 01-25-2017, 04:14 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
stevenjw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Palm Coast, Florida, USA
Posts: 2,938
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 635 Post(s)
Liked: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by bwillcox View Post
I got tired of having to say NO whenever mine prompted me so I turned off the notifications. The 1229b Beta and the latest released firmware are identical so I didn't see the need to bother with it.
And you'll miss notification for the next release. If there's no difference, what's the harm in taking the minute out to update to the latest release. The player will stop "bothering" you too once you do.
Tom Bley, krichter1 and tjenkins95 like this.

...Steve
"Opinions are like orgasms… mine matters most and I really don’t care if you have one or not." ;)
 
My HT gear
stevenjw is online now  
post #20061 of 31987 Old 01-25-2017, 04:28 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
alebonau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Land of Contentment :)
Posts: 4,638
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1812 Post(s)
Liked: 1234
Quote:
Originally Posted by davisnub View Post
they don't make ios or android apps for controlling jvc projector anymore do they?
i was sure there was .... though not something I ever explored

was it the X750 series that had one ?

"Technology is a drug. We can't get enough of it."


Welcome to my lounge room :)
alebonau is offline  
post #20062 of 31987 Old 01-25-2017, 04:37 PM
AVS Forum Club Gold
 
Carbon Ft Print's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: FL
Posts: 608
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 362 Post(s)
Liked: 302
Quote:
Originally Posted by desertdome View Post
CMD (Clear Motion Drive) is frame interpolation and doesn't change the original frames. Are you measuring the luminance change or just seeing it visually?

Sorry for late response. I've been tone and sat mapping a new and brighter GammaD curve (with full PT,DL,BL controls) to 30 4K UHD/HDR blu ray movies. HDR is alive and well on RS600. News on that soon.


CMD has a side effect of increasing the luminance at very low luminance levels as can be "visually" seen when using Masciola's HDR Low Color (near Blk) Clipping Pattern. These low color clip patterns are located in Basic Patterns at the bottom. If there is a lot of light at 0% to 5% to start with, then one will not see the effect. One sees the effect of CMD when first, one cannot see any RGB colors at 0% to 4% with masciola's low color clip pattern, then turn on CMD and the RGB patterns will appear. I use an Alens with Zoom at around 80%, with 16ft throw, 11ft view, FireHawk Screen (Gain1.1), 104" Width for 2.35 movies, 120"dia (16:9 scrn), blk velvet environment. Your results may vary.


I turn on CMD=LOWorHIGH on all HDR calibrations ... just in case I run into this situation. It significantly expands the color space at luminance level 5%. The blk clip point should always be set with masciola's low color clip pattern, not the Blk clip pattern. Its the only way to set the White, Red, Green and Blue channels for DL properly (yes, all 4 need to be set properly to increase the color space at low luminance levels ... which is needed to see color in image detail at low luminance levels). Note: GammaD(Picture Tone, Dark Level, Bright Level).


For instance, my new custom GammaD Bright curve (which is unique ... so you cannot use these values ... but you get the idea) has a sweet spot at GammaD(Wht(8,3,5)). I set DL to the following RGB values to visually see an even distribution of RGB channels using Masciola's Low Color Clip Patterns while keeping Y0% close to 0.005nits. Keep Grn DL values lower because it's way too bright of a color at low luminance levels and, if too high ... even by 1 click, will force Y0% to greatly exceed 0.005nits.:
R(0,7,0)
G(0,4,0)
B(0,7,0)


Yes, one can set White DL and Red, Grn and Blu at the same time ... the effect is cumulative ... RGB is used for low luminance balance (the red, grn and blu chls line up visually using masciola's low color clip pattern ... usually grn lags red and blu a little in my set up).
nathan_h, GGA and atabea like this.
Carbon Ft Print is online now  
post #20063 of 31987 Old 01-25-2017, 05:02 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
atabea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,631
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 753 Post(s)
Liked: 639
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbon Ft Print View Post
Sorry for late response. I've been tone and sat mapping a new and brighter GammaD curve (with full PT,DL,BL controls) to 30 4K UHD/HDR blu ray movies. HDR is alive and well on RS600. News on that soon.


CMD has a side effect of increasing the luminance at very low luminance levels as can be "visually" seen when using Masciola's HDR Low Color (near Blk) Clipping Pattern. These low color clip patterns are located in Basic Patterns at the bottom. If there is a lot of light at 0% to 5% to start with, then one will not see the effect. One sees the effect of CMD when first, one cannot see any RGB colors at 0% to 4% with masciola's low color clip pattern, then turn on CMD and the RGB patterns will appear. I use an Alens with Zoom at around 80%, with 16ft throw, 11ft view, FireHawk Screen (Gain1.1), 104" Width for 2.35 movies, 120"dia (16:9 scrn), blk velvet environment. Your results may vary.


I turn on CMD=LOWorHIGH on all HDR calibrations ... just in case I run into this situation. It significantly expands the color space at luminance level 5%. The blk clip point should always be set with masciola's low color clip pattern, not the Blk clip pattern. Its the only way to set the White, Red, Green and Blue channels for DL properly (yes, all 4 need to be set properly to increase the color space at low luminance levels ... which is needed to see color in image detail at low luminance levels). Note: GammaD(Picture Tone, Dark Level, Bright Level).


For instance, my new custom GammaD Bright curve (which is unique ... so you cannot use these values ... but you get the idea) has a sweet spot at GammaD(Wht(8,3,5)). I set DL to the following RGB values to visually see an even distribution of RGB channels using Masciola's Low Color Clip Patterns while keeping Y0% close to 0.005nits. Keep Grn DL values lower because it's way too bright of a color at low luminance levels and, if too high ... even by 1 click, will force Y0% to greatly exceed 0.005nits.:
R(0,7,0)
G(0,4,0)
B(0,7,0)


Yes, one can set White DL and Red, Grn and Blu at the same time ... the effect is cumulative ... RGB is used for low luminance balance (the red, grn and blu chls line up visually using masciola's low color clip pattern ... usually grn lags red and blu a little in my set up).
Thanks for sharing this information. If I had your expertise I would do it myself but it would awesome if you could draw up a simplified workflow using the Mascior Patterns/JVCs Gamma D controls so all our JVC brethren could get HDR looking niiiiice. Just sayin'
stevenjw and krichter1 like this.
atabea is offline  
post #20064 of 31987 Old 01-25-2017, 06:24 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
asharma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,030
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1639 Post(s)
Liked: 499
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbon Ft Print View Post
Sorry for late response. I've been tone and sat mapping a new and brighter GammaD curve (with full PT,DL,BL controls) to 30 4K UHD/HDR blu ray movies. HDR is alive and well on RS600. News on that soon.


CMD has a side effect of increasing the luminance at very low luminance levels as can be "visually" seen when using Masciola's HDR Low Color (near Blk) Clipping Pattern. These low color clip patterns are located in Basic Patterns at the bottom. If there is a lot of light at 0% to 5% to start with, then one will not see the effect. One sees the effect of CMD when first, one cannot see any RGB colors at 0% to 4% with masciola's low color clip pattern, then turn on CMD and the RGB patterns will appear. I use an Alens with Zoom at around 80%, with 16ft throw, 11ft view, FireHawk Screen (Gain1.1), 104" Width for 2.35 movies, 120"dia (16:9 scrn), blk velvet environment. Your results may vary.


I turn on CMD=LOWorHIGH on all HDR calibrations ... just in case I run into this situation. It significantly expands the color space at luminance level 5%. The blk clip point should always be set with masciola's low color clip pattern, not the Blk clip pattern. Its the only way to set the White, Red, Green and Blue channels for DL properly (yes, all 4 need to be set properly to increase the color space at low luminance levels ... which is needed to see color in image detail at low luminance levels). Note: GammaD(Picture Tone, Dark Level, Bright Level).


For instance, my new custom GammaD Bright curve (which is unique ... so you cannot use these values ... but you get the idea) has a sweet spot at GammaD(Wht(8,3,5)). I set DL to the following RGB values to visually see an even distribution of RGB channels using Masciola's Low Color Clip Patterns while keeping Y0% close to 0.005nits. Keep Grn DL values lower because it's way too bright of a color at low luminance levels and, if too high ... even by 1 click, will force Y0% to greatly exceed 0.005nits.:
R(0,7,0)
G(0,4,0)
B(0,7,0)


Yes, one can set White DL and Red, Grn and Blu at the same time ... the effect is cumulative ... RGB is used for low luminance balance (the red, grn and blu chls line up visually using masciola's low color clip pattern ... usually grn lags red and blu a little in my set up).
Is there anyway the rest of us could "import" your new gamma d with autocal the same way some us had to import bt2020?

Video:JVC N7 Sony 85” 900F Sony 55” 900F
Audio: Paradigm Prestige 95, 55C, 15b Dual JL Audio D110
Receiver/Amp: Anthem 1120, Emotiva XPA-5 Gen 2
Source: Panasonic UB820
Triple black velvet bat cave
asharma is online now  
post #20065 of 31987 Old 01-25-2017, 07:29 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Dave Vaughn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Vacaville, CA
Posts: 5,940
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1430 Post(s)
Liked: 2187
Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post
I think some older films just won't look that much better unfortunately. Maybe " Ben Hur " and classics that studios are willing to spend money on.
Craig,

I'd love to see "The Wizard of Oz" in 4K. When the remastered it for Blu-ray, they did an 8K scan of it. Considering how much money Warner has made over the years on that movie, I guess it was a justifiable investment

David Vaughn Blu-ray Reviewer / Technical Writer Sound & Vision Magazine (Print & Online)

For Sale: JVC X750R Projector (RS500 Equivalent) https://www.avsforum.com/forum/252-f...l#post58241092
Dave Vaughn is online now  
post #20066 of 31987 Old 01-26-2017, 12:37 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
stevenjw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Palm Coast, Florida, USA
Posts: 2,938
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 635 Post(s)
Liked: 829
How does one go modifying or loading a new GammaD and could it be done using GammaC instead for comparison?

...Steve
"Opinions are like orgasms… mine matters most and I really don’t care if you have one or not." ;)
 
My HT gear
stevenjw is online now  
post #20067 of 31987 Old 01-26-2017, 08:18 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
Craig Peer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 15,796
Mentioned: 106 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6619 Post(s)
Liked: 7696
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post
Craig,

I'd love to see "The Wizard of Oz" in 4K. When the remastered it for Blu-ray, they did an 8K scan of it. Considering how much money Warner has made over the years on that movie, I guess it was a justifiable investment
I'll buy that and Singing in the Rain, and a lot of other classics remastered in 4K with cleaned up / better audio in a heartbeat !
mbw23air and Dave Vaughn like this.
Craig Peer is online now  
post #20068 of 31987 Old 01-26-2017, 08:19 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Sittler27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,469
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1137 Post(s)
Liked: 86
Can the X750R do 4K/60 @ 4:4:2 12b or 4:4:4 12b or is it limited to doing it at only 4:2:0 12b?

This is from an Oppo 203 through a Marantz SR7010 AVR.
Sittler27 is offline  
post #20069 of 31987 Old 01-26-2017, 08:44 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
nathan_h's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 9,327
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2724 Post(s)
Liked: 1956
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sittler27 View Post
Can the X750R do 4K/60 @ 4:4:2 12b or 4:4:4 12b or is it limited to doing it at only 4:2:0 12b?

This is from an Oppo 203 through a Marantz SR7010 AVR.
]

The limiting factors will be cables and the Marantz.

A short direct connection between Oppo and JVC would make 4k/60 4:4:4 12bit possible, IIRC.
nathan_h is offline  
post #20070 of 31987 Old 01-26-2017, 08:51 AM
Advanced Member
 
DVD MAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Marlboro, NJ
Posts: 968
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 227 Post(s)
Liked: 111
Hello Members,

I am wondering how has the bulb output of your RS 500 has been performing?
Has the bulb been stable? I am asking because the bulb in my RS 500 has been the most stable with the most consistent output from any JVC projector I have owned.

The bulb at the moment has just under 1500 hrs.
Projector is in Low Lamp Mode
Projector Iris is set to -13
My screen is a 100" Stewart StudioTek 130 G3 1.3 Gain
I'm getting 16ft L

Is anyone getting similar result?
Dave Vaughn likes this.
DVD MAN is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP

Tags
jvc-rs500u synch/display issue? , RS600

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off