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Just passing along, but someone told me AV Science has some B stock RS500/600s.
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I have a question. I have the RS600 with 800+ hours on it and will be changing the bulb out soon. Will it hurt the projector or the bulb socket area, if I were to change them back and forth sometimes. If I want to watch a ton of TV on the weekend, I am fine with the old bulb, but movies I want the new bulb in? Or should spend the $441 every 7-800 hours and be done with it haha.


Also on "Assassins Creed 4K" there were a lot of washed out scenes. Only Gamma C(which I hate using) looked the best for that dark film.


Where is Manni's Gamma numbers at in this 23,000 posts?
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I'm at 2000 hours and have lost very little brightness from my bulb. In low power, I get 110 nits with the filter engaged with a 100 IRE full screen image, so I've lost maybe 25% of my bulb brightness. For TV, I watch with the Iris at -10 and get 23 foot lamberts and it's plenty bright even with the lights on.
What screen size do you have? I am pushing the RS600 to its limits. It looked great for the first 500 hours, but I can tell its not as crisp with some movies. My screen is 180" wide 2.37:1 curved(195.4" dia) Seymour XD with a UH480 Lens I did get 16 ft L when the bulb was new.

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What screen size do you have? I am pushing the RS600 to its limits. It looked great for the first 500 hours, but I can tell its not as crisp with some movies. My screen is 180" wide 2.37:1 curved(195.4" dia) Seymour XD with a UH480 Lens I did get 16 ft L when the bulb was new.
That is a lot of real estate you are trying to light up.
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That is a lot of real estate you are trying to light up.
I agree. With the UH480 lens I was able to put the projector at 16'6" which helps also, the images looked great. I will just spend the $$ on new bulbs every 8-10 months until a 4K laser 3000+ lumen projector gets near the 10K mark.

Assassins creed didn't look good, but most movies still look solid. I put back in Life of Pi to make sure LOL, but I am now at high bulb 0 setting. No where else to go but change out the bulb haha

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I have a question. I have the RS600 with 800+ hours on it and will be changing the bulb out soon. Will it hurt the projector or the bulb socket area, if I were to change them back and forth sometimes. If I want to watch a ton of TV on the weekend, I am fine with the old bulb, but movies I want the new bulb in? Or should spend the $441 every 7-800 hours and be done with it haha.
I'd either buy lamps or get a second projector for non-critical viewing.
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I'm at 2000 hours and have lost very little brightness from my bulb. In low power, I get 110 nits with the filter engaged with a 100 IRE full screen image, so I've lost maybe 25% of my bulb brightness. For TV, I watch with the Iris at -10 and get 23 foot lamberts and it's plenty bright even with the lights on.
What size and type of screen are you using? I can't remember. I seemed to have lost a bit more brightness, before switching to laser.
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What screen size do you have? I am pushing the RS600 to its limits. It looked great for the first 500 hours, but I can tell its not as crisp with some movies. My screen is 180" wide 2.37:1 curved(195.4" dia) Seymour XD with a UH480 Lens I did get 16 ft L when the bulb was new.
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What size and type of screen are you using? I can't remember. I seemed to have lost a bit more brightness, before switching to laser.
I have a postage stamp: 88" Stewart Firehawk...that size certainly helps, that's for sure!

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What size and type of screen are you using? I can't remember. I seemed to have lost a bit more brightness, before switching to laser.
Oh sure... just rub it in ya D-bag!

Hey Craig & Mike... is AVS sales still the same and fully authorized seller of JVC products for projectors & accessories (like 3D or replacement lamps etc...)??
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There's been quite a lot of talk about this in the RS500 thread, a search would have found it.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...rs-thread.html

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Oh sure... just rub it in ya D-bag!

Hey Craig & Mike... is AVS sales still the same and fully authorized seller of JVC products for projectors & accessories (like 3D or replacement lamps etc...)??
Yes sir. Heck, I even had someone from JVC come visit and check out my theater and play with my RS4500 !
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Yes sir. Heck, I even had someone from JVC come visit and check out my theater and play with my RS4500 !
Don't let your wife find out, she may take it the wrong way!
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I have a postage stamp: 88" Stewart Firehawk...that size certainly helps, that's for sure!
Your screen compared to Stevefred's screen -

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Don't let your wife find out, she may take it the wrong way!
She thought that was great. She didn't think painting more walls with Roscoe Velour Black paint was quite as great. I was going to tell her " once you go black, you can never go back ". But she knows how to paint too, so why tempt her to prove me wrong !
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Your screen compared to Stevefred's screen -

Thanks...now I have screen envy. Than again, Lord Farquaad had some size issues too that he was compensating for

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My wife didn't want a black ceiling or a velvet front wall, but once she saw both of them she actually liked them. My next trick is to convince her that she'll like 4 subwoofers in the room (all wired now and ready to go!).

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Yes sir. Heck, I even had someone from JVC come visit and check out my theater and play with my RS4500 !
Awesome! I have a buddy interested in buying/upgrading to a JVC and I told them I have been buying JVC from AVS sales since 2005 so it's good to know you guys are still there and providing us Outstanding service (even tho I know you can no longer solicit this on AVSF since it was sold to Verticalscope which is a shame). We should move this WHOLE damm thread over to the AVS new website anyhow IMO!!
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Thanks...now I have screen envy. Than again, Lord Farquaad had some size issues too that he was compensating for



My wife didn't want a black ceiling or a velvet front wall, but once she saw both of them she actually liked them. My next trick is to convince her that she'll like 4 subwoofers in the room (all wired now and ready to go!).
May I suggest taking her to dinner, followed by watching " The Notebook ", and put a jewelry box on one of the subs with a new pair of earrings ! That way when she says " hey, what are those ? ', you can say " sapphires " !
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Not sure what you're looking for us to comment on or confirm here but yes base Gamma D baalooows from JVC which is why you should at the very least use Gamma M (Manni's custom gammas), or learn how to use Arve's tool to create your own (Manni's is the easiest & quickest tho).
The image I posted was the custom gamma curve. I wrote Gamma D because I didn't want all the questions to be about my Gamma settings. The custom gamma definitely looks better and improves the overall image of every UHD, but these handful of Fox titles are too far off to make a difference with Gamma. I just cannot believe that nobody else is seeing this. I'd love to see some pics of what the below image looks like on your projectors.

Something just looks off with these UHD discs and turning on Gamma D. The colors punch up real nice, but the shadow detail is abolished. I tried just leaving it in normal gamma and cinema mode but everything looks washed out.




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The image I posted was the custom gamma curve. I wrote Gamma D because I didn't want all the questions to be about my Gamma settings. The custom gamma definitely looks better and improves the overall image of every UHD, but these handful of Fox titles are too far off to make a difference with Gamma. I just cannot believe that nobody else is seeing this. I'd love to see some pics of what the below image looks like on your projectors.

Something just looks off with these UHD discs and turning on Gamma D. The colors punch up real nice, but the shadow detail is abolished. I tried just leaving it in normal gamma and cinema mode but everything looks washed out.




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Have you run a JVC auto-cal?
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Sorry, newb question. What do you do with the light meter? As in, what software are you using to calibrate whatever measurements you are taking with it?

And, how is that light meter different from this http://www.chromapure.com/products-d3pro.asp

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No. Those pics were taken after importing the profile and following the instructions for HDR on the JVC site. I used them here because the custom Gamma curve I'm using isn't substantially different.
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I have a 2 month old DLA-RS500U. Great projector. Amazing picture. I have had a re-occurring issue were the projector will display colored vertical bars, switching sources and back to the Bly Ray player. (see Attached Picture) I changed HDMI cables, tried connecting direct Bypassing my AV Pre-amp. Even used HDMI 1 & 2 on the JVC. I initially though it to be an intermittent issue with the Samsung UBD-K8500. I returned it and got another one. same issue. Since I was not a real fan and wanted a good SACD player as well, I Finally Decided to buy an Oppo UDP-203. Still have the same intermittent vertical bar issue if I switch to say the new ROKU Ultra. The only way I can stop it once it starts with the vertical noise bars is to totally power down the JVC, wait and power it back on again. It works fine, most of the time until I try switching inputs again to another 4K or 1080P Video device like the ROKU Ultra. I have to power down the JVC again and power it back on after its cool down
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There's been quite a lot of talk about this in the RS500 thread, a search would have found it.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...rs-thread.html

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Just as stranger89 stated, posting in the owner's thread is the best way to find information on the RS500....it's where the owner's of this model hang out...great ppl and great resource. I'll ask a mod to merge your thread into the owner's thread.
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No. Those pics were taken after importing the profile and following the instructions for HDR on the JVC site. I used them here because the custom Gamma curve I'm using isn't substantially different.
What specific parameters are u using for your custom curve? Also screen size, gain, and throw distance...?

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What specific parameters are u using for your custom curve? Also screen size, gain, and throw distance...?
Even for Gamma D the image looks bad. It's not a problem created by custom Gamma (though it may solve it). It seems that the custom Gamma curves are largely and exercise in nuance.

I followed Zombie's quick start settings and tried the 400, 600 and 800 settings. I have a 136" 2.35:1 screen with a 1.1 gain and a 17' throw.

It's possible (hopefully) that the right combination of custom Gamma will fix this for me, as switching to Gamma Normal reveals more detail at the expense of washing out the whole image.

I'd be willing to bet though 99% of people here have this exact same problem.
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Even for Gamma D the image looks bad. It's not a problem created by custom Gamma (though it may solve it). It seems that the custom Gamma curves are largely and exercise in nuance.

I followed Zombie's quick start settings and tried the 400, 600 and 800 settings. I have a 136" 2.35:1 screen with a 1.1 gain and a 17' throw.

It's possible (hopefully) that the right combination of custom Gamma will fix this for me, as switching to Gamma Normal reveals more detail at the expense of washing out the whole image.

I'd be willing to bet though 99% of people here have this exact same problem.
You don't have enough lumens to use those curves. You may want to try my curves. I posted them to this thread about 2-3 days ago. Search for all my posts in this thread for the past few days and you'll find it. There's 3 curves in my zip for you to try. It is specifically designed for those with lower nits like you have. And if you try to tell me you have plenty of nits I will convince you otherwise (at that screen size and gain, when zoomed for 2.40 movies - no way).
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I agree. With the UH480 lens I was able to put the projector at 16'6" which helps also, the images looked great. I will just spend the $$ on new bulbs every 8-10 months until a 4K laser 3000+ lumen projector gets near the 10K mark.

Assassins creed didn't look good, but most movies still look solid. I put back in Life of Pi to make sure LOL, but I am now at high bulb 0 setting. No where else to go but change out the bulb haha

All in all, I am very happy with the RS600.
The UH480 lens is saving your butt big time on the brightness. You couldn't fill that screen with the zoom method otherwise and have enough brightness. Nice. Can you use an A-lens without any downsides if you don't have a curved screen?

Likewise am I correct to assume that whatever brightness I have with 16:9 image I would have about the same (minus a little loss from the extra glass/lens) brightness with 2.40 movies on my scoped screen (viewed in full screen, no bars) if I was using an A-lens?

Anyone see where I am going with this?
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You don't have enough lumens to use those curves. You may want to try my curves. I posted them to this thread about 2-3 days ago. Search for all my posts in this thread for the past few days and you'll find it. There's 3 curves in my zip for you to try. It is specifically designed for those with lower nits like you have. And if you try to tell me you have plenty of nits I will convince you otherwise (at that screen size and gain, when zoomed for 2.40 movies - no way).
Do you have a link?

I'll try it, but like I said, these Gamma curves are an exercise in nuance. Even if I zoom all the way in to make it as small as possible it will still look like the picture I showed. It's not like it magically looks perfect if it's smaller.

The problem is the brights are too bright and the darks are too dark. But only on a handful of UHD's, the rest look great.

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Do you have a link?

I'll try it, but like I said, these Gamma curves are an exercise in nuance. Even if I zoom all the way in to make it as small as possible it will still look like the picture I showed. It's not like it magically looks perfect if it's smaller.
So I need to make the curve for you and find you the link? Here you go: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post51658777 . No, no way 99% of the people have a picture that looks washed out like that. Certainly mine doesn't. Try these curves. Start with the dark one. If these don't look good then something else may be going on with your setup.
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You don't have enough lumens to use those curves. You may want to try my curves. I posted them to this thread about 2-3 days ago. Search for all my posts in this thread for the past few days and you'll find it. There's 3 curves in my zip for you to try. It is specifically designed for those with lower nits like you have. And if you try to tell me you have plenty of nits I will convince you otherwise (at that screen size and gain, when zoomed for 2.40 movies - no way).
His 400 curve shouldn't look that bad...I'm sensing he is perhaps doing something wrong or his gamma D keeps kicking in...

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So I need to make the curve for you and find you the link? Here you go: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post51658777 . No, no way 99% of the people have a picture that looks washed out like that. Certainly mine doesn't. Try these curves. Start with the dark one. If these don't look good then something else may be going on with your setup.
Thank you. I appreciate the link so I know I'm on the right track.

I'll try it, but like I said, these Gamma curves are an exercise in nuance. Even if I zoom all the way in to make it as small as possible it will still look like the picture I showed. It's not like it magically looks perfect if it's smaller.

The problem is the brights are too bright and the darks are too dark. But only on a handful of UHD's, the rest look great.

I really do think the majority have this same problem since when I first brought this up was before custom Gamma and people claimed to have no problem.

It's just frustrating because it's only on some movies which is why I think everyone has this same problem.

I'd love to see a pic of that Deadpool scene on your screen. I'd bet it's similar.

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