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With Sony geared with a new flagship HDR laser model, don't you think JVC has something up their sleeve? I'm sure they anticipated something.
If the Sony does not have 18Gbps HDMI and does not have DCI P3 filter, then the only advantage will be native 4K panel. If JVC has those two items along with much higher native contrast and laser for half the price, then a lot of people will go for the JVC.

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Thanks Don, IMO, I'm seeing greater than a 5-10percent improvement...the combination of a DI with the Linker, WCG, HDR, and 4k transfer I'd say is more like a 20 percent improvement in some cases...perhaps those with larger screens see 5-10 percent...in fact, I'm tempted to only buy 4k discs go forward...just my 2 cents worth Sir...
That's not a tough decision though since UHDs are usually only ~$5 premium to BD (you just don't get the normally included DVD in the BD version; thank God!).
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Hi lovingdvd, I really like your medium curve as a one stop curve for all of my 4K titles. I was thinking of tweaking this curve with the wip branch to help set the brightness & contrast levels. I don't think I can import this curve into arve's software, right?

Do you have any suggestions for the parameters in the wip branch for your medium curve?

Thank you so much for all of your efforts!
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New Oppo FW released w/ SDR fixes included (UDP20X-38-0222)!
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New Oppo FW released w/ SDR fixes included (UDP20X-38-0222)!
Not new. That one is from February 27.

There was a new beta firmware release on March 24; UDP20X-41-0317B. I have not installed it yet as there is nothing in it that seems urgent for me.

http://oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-2...-41-0317B.aspx
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1. Thnx again. Think I will start with the easier route while catching up on the better.
Also remember that you can set the player to downconvert to "Rec.709", and there's a spec for that so that's generally done pretty well.

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2. Fortunately my currently cable is same as yours - unfortunately I think it's 35 ft long afaik. Outside chance that it may work? From what I read so far, 25' is the mark beyond which people start to have problem with HDMI cables for UHD?
There's always a chance, HDMI is a system, and if and how well it works depends on all the components in that system.

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Thanks Don, IMO, I'm seeing greater than a 5-10percent improvement...the combination of a DI with the Linker, WCG, HDR, and 4k transfer I'd say is more like a 20 percent improvement in some cases...perhaps those with larger screens see 5-10 percent...in fact, I'm tempted to only buy 4k discs go forward...just my 2 cents worth Sir...
That's the problem with trying to assign a number to something subjective, and that's sort of the point I was trying to get across with my comment above. To enthusiasts like a lot of us, who seek to (and generally enjoy) trying to get the last little bits of performance out of our systems, UHD Blu-ray can be a significant upgrade. cannga made the statement that he never really calibrates his projectors, and isn't interested in chasing that last 20% of PQ. The 5-10% was my attempt to calibrate the improvement in UHD to his "20%". In other words, proper calibration of a JVC, is a bigger improvement in PQ than the simple jump to UHD Blu-ray, and beyond that calibration is even more important for UHD Blu-ray/HDR. So if you're the type who isn't interested in that, then there's probably little reason to jump on the UHD bandwagon, at least not until it's fully baked and basically plug and play.

Maybe this is a better way to look at it. When I pop a DVD in, I can tell it's a DVD, and I miss the nice, clean, sharp Blu-ray picture, basically I don't want to watch DVDs in my HT anymore. It's not the same for UHD vs Blu-ray. Blu-ray looks fantastic in my HT still. There's also the issue that not every movie benefits from UHD, I watched The Arrival this weekend on Blu-ray (Netflix rental), there was really nothing in that to take advantage of the added capabilities of UHD Blu-ray.
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16x9 movie using 2.4:1 screen

Guys, the RS500 is my first PJ and I don't know if my Great satisfaction comes from the PQ or 133" screen size, but it's great! I do have a question, I watched Into Darkness (as a test run) which is a widescreen format, and I used the zoom method with success, however, When I popped in Charlie Brown Peanuts movie, which apparently is 16x9, the movie was displaying on the ceiling and beneath the screen area. Is this the nature of the setup, or is there something I can do, outside an A-lens, to get a 16x9 movie to display in my 2.4:1 screen area?

BTW, My screen is white over grey spandex and it is plenty bright in low lamp mode
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Guys, the RS500 is my first PJ and I don't know if my Great satisfaction comes from the PQ or 133" screen size, but it's great! I do have a question, I watched Into Darkness (as a test run) which is a widescreen format, and I used the zoom method with success, however, When I popped in Charlie Brown Peanuts movie, which apparently is 16x9, the movie was displaying on the ceiling and beneath the screen area. Is this the nature of the setup, or is there something I can do, outside an A-lens, to get a 16x9 movie to display in my 2.4:1 screen area?
You can use the electronic masking to blank out those areas, but you'll never make it fit since 2.4 != 1.78.
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You can use the electronic masking to blank out those areas, but you'll never make it fit since 2.4 != 1.78.
Funny that you mention that, I tinkered with that feature and it did blank out the projecting image that was overshooting my screen. I did have another problem with watching anything on the Sony X800, I posted my issue here

Thanks for the reply Stranger89
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Not new. That one is from February 27.

There was a new beta firmware release on March 24; UDP20X-41-0317B. I have not installed it yet as there is nothing in it that seems urgent for me.

http://oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-2...-41-0317B.aspx
Ok... new to me in non-beta form.

I sure hope these fix my continual problem of machine freezing (not total but major semi-lockup), after selecting the option to 'Resume' a movie (I even turned this off in setup and it still tries to resume anyhow).

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Today, I decided to try lovedvd's medium curve and have been really impressed with how well it looks to my eyes with the three 4K titles that I have been working with - Rocky Mountain Express, The Shallows & Arrival. Chad took 2 of my three custom gamma slots so I can only work with one curve at a time. I did have to set BR:2 CN:1 on the Oppo 203 to resolve 81 and 4000 nits on the RM patterns with your medium curve...
Great, glad to hear you like my curves. Since you already have wip going you would be better off keeping brightness/contrast at 0, taking my .conf file, using "lf" on it to load it. Then setting bbi to 0.005 for the brightness trick (see my Speed Guide to HDR Curves for more info) and bbo as necessary to get the black clipping exactly right, rather than using BR of 2 (that's a bit of a no no in the world of custom curves, sounds like you know that already based on your next post below).

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Hi lovingdvd, I really like your medium curve as a one stop curve for all of my 4K titles. I was thinking of tweaking this curve with the wip branch to help set the brightness & contrast levels. I don't think I can import this curve into arve's software, right?

Do you have any suggestions for the parameters in the wip branch for your medium curve?

Thank you so much for all of your efforts!

I don't recall the parameters. Later tonight I'll update the zip file to include the .conf files - that way you can work with them as baselines for your own tweaking. I'll reply here once I've uploaded them (need to get them from another computer).
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Guys, the RS500 is my first PJ and I don't know if my Great satisfaction comes from the PQ or 133" screen size, but it's great! I do have a question, I watched Into Darkness (as a test run) which is a widescreen format, and I used the zoom method with success, however, When I popped in Charlie Brown Peanuts movie, which apparently is 16x9, the movie was displaying on the ceiling and beneath the screen area. Is this the nature of the setup, or is there something I can do, outside an A-lens, to get a 16x9 movie to display in my 2.4:1 screen area?

BTW, My screen is white over grey spandex and it is plenty bright in low lamp mode
Most people think it's best to watch movies in their native aspect ratio. So you could use the lens memory and zoom it back down to fit, with black bars on the side. Just the nature of constant height systems. Masking panels can help !
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Most people think it's best to watch movies in their native aspect ratio. So you could use the lens memory and zoom it back down to fit, with black bars on the side. Just the nature of constant height systems. Masking panels can help !
While tinkering, I found the option that allowed me to watch a 16x9 movie in its native aspect ratio. Unfortunately, the huge black bars on the sides was disappointing. Being as how I really love the look of White over grey spandex, I could build a 16x9 screen. Thing is, I don't think there are enough movies being made in that format to justify the screen.
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While tinkering, I found the option that allowed me to watch a 16x9 movie in its native aspect ratio. Unfortunately, the huge black bars on the sides was disappointing. Being as how I really love the look of White over grey spandex, I could build a 16x9 screen. Thing is, I don't think there are enough movies being made in that format to justify the screen.

I had our seamstress create 2 velvet panels with velcro that velcro attach to the top of the velvet part of the screen, for 16x9 movies...really looks nice as the panels exactly match the velvet used for the screen border...
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I had our seamstress create 2 velvet panels with velcro that velcro attach to the top of the velvet part of the screen, for 16x9 movies...really looks nice as the panels exactly match the velvet used for the screen border...
That's the way to go. Between movies shot in 16:9 and HDTV, 40% of what I watch is 16:9 ! Masking panels solves the problem. Unless you are crazy like me, then two electric screens work too !
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That's the way to go. Between movies shot in 16:9 and HDTV, 40% of what I watch is 16:9 ! Masking panels solves the problem. Unless you are crazy like me, then two electric screens work too !

My panels only get used for 16x9 movies as I have my "hockey tv" in the room also, on a different wall Of my 26 4k movies, only 2 are 16x9...
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My panels only get used for 16x9 movies as I have my "hockey tv" in the room also, on a different wall Of my 26 4k movies, only 2 are 16x9...
I've got 38 4K movies, but 498 Blu Rays. Quite a few of those are 16:9, and quite a few of those are very fine movies, that probably will never be released on 4K.
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I've got 38 4K movies, but 498 Blu Rays. Quite a few of those are 16:9, and quite a few of those are very fine movies, that probably will never be released on 4K.
Must be a taste/genre/period thing then cause I would say 75-80% of my movies (including 4K UHD), are 21:9 these days.

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Must be a taste/genre/period thing then cause I would say 75-80% of my movies (including 4K UHD), are 21:9 these days.
Lots of European produced war movies seem to be 16:9. But the shift is to 2.35:1. Still, I'm glad I have my separate / taller 16:9 screen. No compromises !
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So I've watched several 4K HDR titles now (Deadpool, Batman and Hacksaw) and I'm having issues with HDR PQ. Turning On/Off HDR, most of the films look richer and more vibrant with HDR turned OFF? Was hoping that others could share their preferred PJ modes/settings to get the best HDR quality. I really don't want to have to adjust the PJ for every title.

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So I've watched several 4K HDR titles now (Deadpool, Batman and Hacksaw) and I'm having issues with HDR PQ. Turning On/Off HDR, most of the films look richer and more vibrant with HDR turned OFF? Was hoping that others could share their preferred PJ modes/settings to get the best HDR quality. I really don't want to have to adjust the PJ for every title.
Guys - someone want to take this one? I'm exhausted!

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Finally saw HDR on a projector!

As I mentioned in the JVC Z1 laser projector thread, I had a chance to see HDR on a projector!

I viewed scenes of MM Fury Road and the new Ghostbusters UHD discs on the JVC Z1. I watched some scenes with the HDR (pre-set) on and off, and also compared it to the e-shift 950 model (the Z1 HDR on and off compared to the 950 only with it off). If this is indicative of what HDR can bring I WANT HDR. There were obvious increases in dynamism, brilliance and dimensionality with the HDR settings on the Z1. Maybe the RS600 wouldn't reach those heights, but I'd be hoping for a similar type of difference.

One thing that has been said about HDR in this thread that doesn't quite make sense to me is this: for the most part HDR should look just like SDR, except for the occaisonal more brilliant specular highlights.

The first reason that is surprising to me is this: HDR has been seen as the major selling feature for new TVs and the new UHD standard. The difference in vibrancy and image realism, we are often told, is going to be much more noticeable even to the average consumer over the increase to 4K resolution. But that wouldn't make sense if, most of the time, HDR images are going to look pretty much like SDR images. The occasional brighter highlight won't sell the new TVs.

And when I've seen all the HDR demos on TVs, whether they are specifically shot demo or movie scenes, the difference in the HDR image has been obvious in pretty much every shot. The whole picture changes. And this is also what I saw on the JVC with HDR on - it wasn't just little specular highlights here and there - everything looked more vivid, the contrast of clouds in skies, the richness of the color, everywhere were light played on anything, faces, surfaces, which meant most images, it just looked more vivid and dynamic.

So, perhaps I've misunderstood what I think some have said (Manni, I believe, for instance?) that HDR shouldn't be looking much different from SDR except for the occaisonal specular highlights?
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All good points! For me, I'm tempted to take a couple discs I know well to my buddies at Best Buy and play them on a 4k hdr tv to see exactly what we are giving up with a pj and a 120" screen...one side of me wants to see the difference, the other side of me doesn't as I'm concerned the tv experierence will win me over...
Don't do it!

as good as my JVC is,
HDR and Dolby Vision is a Good Notch above on an OLED.

I watch all my 4K's (52 and counting) on the 65" OLED first (usually on new release day ...Tuesdays)
Save the JVC/120" for weekend viewing with friends/family because the Big screen is more impressive to most.

But if I put my electric screen at halfway and use both HDMI outs on my AVR simultaneously,
The OLED HDR highlights are significantly brighter without sacrificing inky blacks at all.
This is not subjective, it's plain as day that the OLED is the superior display for HDR playback in the same room at the same time.

Now not all movies have significant HDR bright highlights,
but those that do really show how far projection has yet to go to close the gap against direct view displays.




I'm glad I have both

If I could only have one display it would still likely be the JVC, not because of 4K/HDR,
But because the size kicks OLED to the curb with 1080p BT.709 content that still comprises of 75% of my viewing.
Picture Quality is too close to say one is significantly better with SDR content. So size wins out.

My next upgrade will probably be more than 5 years down the road. I don't upgrade very often,
but when I do It's BIG and the entire signal chain gets an overhaul at the same time.

So it could be an affordable JVC laser, but could also be a 120" OLED wallpaper display...

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Finally saw HDR on a projector!

As I mentioned in the JVC Z1 laser projector thread, I had a chance to see HDR on a projector!

I viewed scenes of MM Fury Road and the new Ghostbusters UHD discs on the JVC Z1. I watched some scenes with the HDR (pre-set) on and off, and also compared it to the e-shift 950 model (the Z1 HDR on and off compared to the 950 only with it off). If this is indicative of what HDR can bring I WANT HDR. There were obvious increases in dynamism, brilliance and dimensionality with the HDR settings on the Z1. Maybe the RS600 wouldn't reach those heights, but I'd be hoping for a similar type of difference.

One thing that has been said about HDR in this thread that doesn't quite make sense to me is this: for the most part HDR should look just like SDR, except for the occaisonal more brilliant specular highlights.

The first reason that is surprising to me is this: HDR has been seen as the major selling feature for new TVs and the new UHD standard. The difference in vibrancy and image realism, we are often told, is going to be much more noticeable even to the average consumer over the increase to 4K resolution. But that wouldn't make sense if, most of the time, HDR images are going to look pretty much like SDR images. The occasional brighter highlight won't sell the new TVs.

And when I've seen all the HDR demos on TVs, whether they are specifically shot demo or movie scenes, the difference in the HDR image has been obvious in pretty much every shot. The whole picture changes. And this is also what I saw on the JVC with HDR on - it wasn't just little specular highlights here and there - everything looked more vivid, the contrast of clouds in skies, the richness of the color, everywhere were light played on anything, faces, surfaces, which meant most images, it just looked more vivid and dynamic.

So, perhaps I've misunderstood what I think some have said (Manni, I believe, for instance?) that HDR shouldn't be looking much different from SDR except for the occaisonal specular highlights?
It should looks crisper / cleaner / tighter / more detailed and have color that looks like what you would see in a commercial theater. it shouldn't look " cooked " ( unless the movie is supposed to look that way to begin with ). And for movies like " Lone Survivor ", it should look even more realistic.
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So, perhaps I've misunderstood what I think some have said (Manni, I believe, for instance?) that HDR shouldn't be looking much different from SDR except for the occaisonal specular highlights?
The GAMMA should look similar for average pictures without highlights. But if you have highlights, then it's not similar.

For example, take a close up of a newspaper. It won't look really different in HDR versus SDR. Light it on fire, however, and you'll see a difference.

Color will be better and fine gradations will be better in HDR, even in average shots.
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This thread was moving at the speed of light ( pun intended ) for a month there.
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Finally saw HDR on a projector!

As I mentioned in the JVC Z1 laser projector thread, I had a chance to see HDR on a projector!

I viewed scenes of MM Fury Road and the new Ghostbusters UHD discs on the JVC Z1. I watched some scenes with the HDR (pre-set) on and off, and also compared it to the e-shift 950 model (the Z1 HDR on and off compared to the 950 only with it off). If this is indicative of what HDR can bring I WANT HDR. There were obvious increases in dynamism, brilliance and dimensionality with the HDR settings on the Z1. Maybe the RS600 wouldn't reach those heights, but I'd be hoping for a similar type of difference.

One thing that has been said about HDR in this thread that doesn't quite make sense to me is this: for the most part HDR should look just like SDR, except for the occaisonal more brilliant specular highlights.

The first reason that is surprising to me is this: HDR has been seen as the major selling feature for new TVs and the new UHD standard. The difference in vibrancy and image realism, we are often told, is going to be much more noticeable even to the average consumer over the increase to 4K resolution. But that wouldn't make sense if, most of the time, HDR images are going to look pretty much like SDR images. The occasional brighter highlight won't sell the new TVs.

And when I've seen all the HDR demos on TVs, whether they are specifically shot demo or movie scenes, the difference in the HDR image has been obvious in pretty much every shot. The whole picture changes. And this is also what I saw on the JVC with HDR on - it wasn't just little specular highlights here and there - everything looked more vivid, the contrast of clouds in skies, the richness of the color, everywhere were light played on anything, faces, surfaces, which meant most images, it just looked more vivid and dynamic.

So, perhaps I've misunderstood what I think some have said (Manni, I believe, for instance?) that HDR shouldn't be looking much different from SDR except for the occaisonal specular highlights?
Thanks, just looking to quantify the difference in what u saw on the Z1...if the Z1 was a 10/10 for HDR, how would u rate the 600/950 for HDR? Also, what's the retail price on the Z1? Thanks

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