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I finally got the RS-232 to work properly, but there's just one problem. The "mode" doesn't switch on time. For example, when I switch to TiVo from UHD, BT2020 (User 2) stays as the color space for about 30 seconds before switching to REC.709 (User 1). Is this normal behavior?
Yes, it's normal if you're left the delay on its default setting. The Vertex needs to sync the HDMI signal in order to know what the content is (15-20 seconds black screen), so the default delay in the Vertex is 20 seconds. I set mine to 14 or 15 seconds (as per the screenshots). If you have more than a few seconds after the picture appears on the JVC before the mode changes, try to reduce the delay. Test a variety of sources/content, because it doesn't take the same time for all sources/content to sync. If you make the delay too short, the PJ will miss the command. 10 seconds is too short, so the optimal delay for most is between 13 and 18 seconds I guess. That's why I suggested a 20 secs default, which should be safe in most cases, but means a slightly longer delay before the mode change is applied.

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Yes, it's normal if you're left the delay on its default setting. The Vertex needs to sync the HDMI signal in order to know what the content is (15-20 seconds black screen), so the default delay in the Vertex is 20 seconds. I set mine to 14 or 15 seconds (as per the screenshots). If you have more than a few seconds after the picture appears on the JVC before the mode changes, try to reduce the delay. Test a variety of sources/content, because it doesn't take the same time for all sources/content to sync. If you make the delay too short, the PJ will miss the command. 10 seconds is too short, so the optimal delay for most is between 13 and 18 seconds I guess. That's why I suggested a 20 secs default, which should be safe in most cases, but means a slightly longer delay before the mode change is applied.
That's what I figured. I think mine is set to 20 now, but will lower it until I find an acceptable number. Right now I'm just debating on whether to use high power all the time or not...I really like how the color palette is more vivid when on high power...decisions, decisions

Thanks again for all your help.

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That's what I figured. I think mine is set to 20 now, but will lower it until I find an acceptable number. Right now I'm just debating on whether to use high power all the time or not...I really like how the color palette is more vivid when on high power...decisions, decisions

Thanks again for all your help.

Best,

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Yes, the color volume is wider in high lamp, but for many films it doesn't make much of a difference.

I leave the auto settings like this for now, because if it looks like the movie could benefit from a wider color volume (say animation or nature documentary), I can simply tap a button on the ipad to select my HDR High Lamp mode.

If it's a very dark film (they tend not to use much color, say Bourne or Underworld), I stay in low lamp to benefit from the better black levels and fade to black.

That's one of the reasons why I'm looking for a good implementation of a dimming laser in a sub-$10K PJ (ideally native 4K) with more than 20,000:1 native on/off. I'm hoping we won't have to compromise that way per title. End of 2018, hopefully!

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That's one of the reasons why I'm looking for a good implementation of a dimming laser in a sub-$10K PJ (ideally native 4K) with more than 20,000:1 native on/off. I'm hoping we won't have to compromise that way per title. End of 2018, hopefully!
You and I are in the same boat...either that or a 92" OLED for under $10k (a guy can dream, can't he?)!
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Hey all,

Looking for some help with RS-232 command.

I run an Irule setup and control everything via rs-232.

I have made some custom Gamma setting under Custom 1, Custom 2 and Custom 3.

Thus far I have to access them via remote only as any command I try does not seem to work.

Does anyone here know the proper control string?

I have been cover to cover in the JVC 2015 code guide, but it is just not working, and the ones in Irule just straight up do nothing at all.

The strings I have but don't work are:

Custom 1 - \x21\x89\x01\x47\x54\x34\x0A
Custom 2 - \x21\x89\x01\x47\x54\x35\x0A
Custom 3 - \x21\x89\x01\x47\x54\x36\x0A

My best guess is the x47\x54 is incorrect.

Based on the guide this seems wrong from the get go as that combo makes no sense.

x47 is Gamma, but X54 seems to be used in a port string.

Can anyone offer some guidance here, I am pulling my hair out and I don't have much to begin with!

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Hey all,

Looking for some help with RS-232 command.

I run an Irule setup and control everything via rs-232.

I have made some custom Gamma setting under Custom 1, Custom 2 and Custom 3.

Thus far I have to access them via remote only as any command I try does not seem to work.

Does anyone here know the proper control string?

I have been cover to cover in the JVC 2015 code guide, but it is just not working, and the ones in Irule just straight up do nothing at all.

The strings I have but don't work are:

Custom 1 - \x21\x89\x01\x47\x54\x34\x0A
Custom 2 - \x21\x89\x01\x47\x54\x35\x0A
Custom 3 - \x21\x89\x01\x47\x54\x36\x0A

My best guess is the x47\x54 is incorrect.

Based on the guide this seems wrong from the get go as that combo makes no sense.

x47 is Gamma, but X54 seems to be used in a port string.

Can anyone offer some guidance here, I am pulling my hair out and I don't have much to begin with!

Thanks
Try:
Gamma Custom 1 - \x21\x89\x01\x50\x4D\x47\x54\x34\x0A
Gamma Custom 2 - \x21\x89\x01\x50\x4D\x47\x54\x35\x0A
Gamma Custom 3 - \x21\x89\x01\x50\x4D\x47\x54\x36\x0A

Make sure you send a PJREQ command (PJREQ) before each command, JVC commands don't work in iRule without this.
You can put it as a repeat command in an entrance, but as a bug leads to PJREQ to exit the menu in recent models, it's annoying so I now I simply send it before each command (so in a JVC command button, I first execute PJREQ, then the command or the rest of the macro).
Also make sure the gamma command you're sending can be applied manually in the current picture mode. If they can be selected manually, iRule can't select them either.

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A quick question.
When viewing UHD content, what should be displayed on the information tab of the menu as the color space, YUV or BT2020?
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4K/UHD 24p BT.2020 12 Bit




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Maybe I'm being a bit stupid but I'm struggling to set up some sensible user mode buttons on my Harmony Hub for my X7000.

I can't find any way to directly select a user preset, from a single button press or harmony sequence, the menu place for the user preset button depends on what was set before! There are direct codes for the first set of built in presets but I can't change the profiles that they point to, or can I??

I have three nice user presets for 709, 2020 HDR, 2020 HDR2 with a couple of Manni's HDR curves, haven't calibrated 3D yet.

All I'd like to do is press a harmony button and select the correct one... How do people do this, the JVC menu's don't seem to have changed for many models, this must be a solved problem? Maybe I'm missing something really obvious, if so Google's missed it too. I've had this projector since May but only just getting it calibrated properly due to too many business trips so just getting it all tweaked up in time for some movies at Christmas.

I suspect everyone is going to say "get a Vertex" but I was hoping to pick up a linker on ebay when everyone dumps them after their Vertex's arrive :-)

I can see serial commands that allow direct setup but I can find anything equivalent in the IR commands.

There must be a simple way to do this?


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Maybe I'm being a bit stupid but I'm struggling to set up some sensible user mode buttons on my Harmony Hub for my X7000.

I can't find any way to directly select a user preset, from a single button press or harmony sequence, the menu place for the user preset button depends on what was set before! There are direct codes for the first set of built in presets but I can't change the profiles that they point to, or can I??

I have three nice user presets for 709, 2020 HDR, 2020 HDR2 with a couple of Manni's HDR curves, haven't calibrated 3D yet.

All I'd like to do is press a harmony button and select the correct one... How do people do this, the JVC menu's don't seem to have changed for many models, this must be a solved problem? Maybe I'm missing something really obvious, if so Google's missed it too. I've had this projector since May but only just getting it calibrated properly due to too many business trips so just getting it all tweaked up in time for some movies at Christmas.

I suspect everyone is going to say "get a Vertex" but I was hoping to pick up a linker on ebay when everyone dumps them after their Vertex's arrive :-)

I can see serial commands that allow direct setup but I can find anything equivalent in the IR commands.

There must be a simple way to do this?


Thanks

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Harmony will add the hex codes for u if u send them to them thats what i did
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Harmony will add the hex codes for u if u send them to them thats what i did


So there are direct ir codes to select the user presets? Excellent news, could you post them or tell me where you found them please.

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So there are direct ir codes to select the user presets? Excellent news, could you post them or tell me where you found them please.

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http://support.jvc.com/consumer/supp...ote%20Code.pdf these are the 2014 codes iv been using them with rs400 i will say this though the way the vertex works is pretty cool

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The link is dead but now I know they exist I should be able to find them.

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The link is working for me. I would like to do the same thing, but I have no idea how to get these codes into the Harmony.

Can you help me?

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The link is working for me. I would like to do the same thing, but I have no idea how to get these codes into the Harmony.



Can you help me?



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Maybe, hopefully, I’ll have a proper look when I’m home for a couple of days. If I get it all working I’ll post back here.

Usually it’s a case of calling harmony and giving them your account details and the codes. Otherwise you can program them into another configurable remote and teach the harmony hub from there.
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Maybe, hopefully, I’ll have a proper look when I’m home for a couple of days. If I get it all working I’ll post back here.

Usually it’s a case of calling harmony and giving them your account details and the codes. Otherwise you can program them into another configurable remote and teach the harmony hub from there.
Email harmony they will give u the email address u need to email them 2 they usually will get it done in a couple days
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Try:
Gamma Custom 1 - \x21\x89\x01\x50\x4D\x47\x54\x34\x0A
Gamma Custom 2 - \x21\x89\x01\x50\x4D\x47\x54\x35\x0A
Gamma Custom 3 - \x21\x89\x01\x50\x4D\x47\x54\x36\x0A

Make sure you send a PJREQ command (PJREQ) before each command, JVC commands don't work in iRule without this.
You can put it as a repeat command in an entrance, but as a bug leads to PJREQ to exit the menu in recent models, it's annoying so I now I simply send it before each command (so in a JVC command button, I first execute PJREQ, then the command or the rest of the macro).
Also make sure the gamma command you're sending can be applied manually in the current picture mode. If they can be selected manually, iRule can't select them either.

Good luck!
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Hi Guys.

Is it just me but whenever play any 4k content on my projector (x5000) whether it's HDR or SDR it ALWAYS says HDR = yes. Is this a bug? I know for a fact i am not sending it HDR most of the time (cos HDR is crap on this projector, it just doesn't have the capabilities to do it properly IMHO)

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What is your source? The projector responds to what the source tells it.
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I'm not ready to let my new Vertex change projector modes for me. First, I just want to replace the Linker functionality and add on OSD that shows up for a few seconds. I THINK the following settings will do that on GUI 1.07:

EDID Manager = Custom, Port 0=11 4k60-444-600MHz HDR BT2020 All Sound
SCALER = No Scaling
HDR IF = Disable HDR
OSC = Enabled, OSD Fade value = 5
CONFIG = HDCP Version 2.2 (which is what I used on my Linker)

Is that what other folks are using (before going into the whole MACROS world)?
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I'm not ready to let my new Vertex change projector modes for me. First, I just want to replace the Linker functionality and add on OSD that shows up for a few seconds. I THINK the following settings will do that on GUI 1.07:

EDID Manager = Custom, Port 0=11 4k60-444-600MHz HDR BT2020 All Sound
SCALER = No Scaling
HDR IF = Disable HDR
OSC = Enabled, OSD Fade value = 5
CONFIG = HDCP Version 2.2 (which is what I used on my Linker)

Is that what other folks are using (before going into the whole MACROS world)?
That should do what you want.

I also suggest to disable auto-switch input if you don't need it, it speeds up HDMI sync a bit.
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JVC DLA-X590R vs Epson 5040UB

I know there's a price difference, but I'm hoping for some unbiased opinions (take your JVC hat off please).

I was going to buy the Epson until I found out it didn't work with Xbox One X at 4K HDR 60.
That was until some smarty found the HDFury that solved this issue and it's essentially a format/handshake issue.

I've read that the 2015/2016 JVC models had crushed blacks, and very slow software changing between sources.
Latency for games for RS400/500 etc series is a lot higher and not really great for gaming without artifacts.
New Rs420 etc is much more in line with the Epson (25ms or so).

I saw the X590R is to be had for a bit under $4K, and the 5040 is $2400. I plan to keep my PJ for at least 6 years, so $1500 is immaterial.

I have a home theater in my newly finished basement. It's a large open space that will see some daylight (not a ton of direct sun as window wells), so during the day some ambient light viewing will be likely. I game. A lot. Xbox One X and PC. I need low latency, capable of a minimum of 4K HDR 60. My gaming PC can do much more than 60FPS 4K HDR - not sure if either of these PJ's can do more than that? Are they limited to 60FPS? I don't know how the actual displays work and if source is a huge factor?

Which brings me to my question.
Money aside, if the price was the same, what is better for my needs?

Hoping to see some unbiased, objective reviews - if you could buy today, what would you do (not what you did and sticking to your guns because you are financially and thus emotionally invested in being biased).

Thanks guys!
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I know there's a price difference, but I'm hoping for some unbiased opinions (take your JVC hat off please).

I was going to buy the Epson until I found out it didn't work with Xbox One X at 4K HDR 60.
That was until some smarty found the HDFury that solved this issue and it's essentially a format/handshake issue.

I've read that the 2015/2016 JVC models had crushed blacks, and very slow software changing between sources.
Latency for games for RS400/500 etc series is a lot higher and not really great for gaming without artifacts.
New Rs420 etc is much more in line with the Epson (25ms or so).

I saw the X590R is to be had for a bit under $4K, and the 5040 is $2400. I plan to keep my PJ for at least 6 years, so $1500 is immaterial.

I have a home theater in my newly finished basement. It's a large open space that will see some daylight (not a ton of direct sun as window wells), so during the day some ambient light viewing will be likely. I game. A lot. Xbox One X and PC. I need low latency, capable of a minimum of 4K HDR 60. My gaming PC can do much more than 60FPS 4K HDR - not sure if either of these PJ's can do more than that? Are they limited to 60FPS? I don't know how the actual displays work and if source is a huge factor?

Which brings me to my question.
Money aside, if the price was the same, what is better for my needs?

Hoping to see some unbiased, objective reviews - if you could buy today, what would you do (not what you did and sticking to your guns because you are financially and thus emotionally invested in being biased).

Thanks guys!
1st, if you want low latency for gaming, You're in the wrong JVC thread.

This is the 2015 model JVC thread for the RS500/600,

You will want a 2016 520/620 or 2017 540/640 for low latency gaming.
They both have their own dedicated threads.

The Espon's Faux-K PJ's are limited by a 10.2Gbps HDMI chip (green only in the chart below)
JVC's (2015 and up) are all full 18.0 Gbps compatible, in Gold on the chart below.

Spec for 4K over HDMI 2.0


source:http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/uhd-101-v2/

...and No, an HDFury device won't fix that for you, (I have an HDFury Vertex and an Integral)
It's NOT simply a "handshake" issue, it's a Bandwidth issue!

The only way an Espon can do 4K60 with HDR is to drop to 8 Bit and you will get banding


Real HDR requires at least 10 Bit color depth and 4K at 60P requires 11.1 Gbps minimum bandwidth that the Espon cannot pass.

The JVC's are good to 18.0 (technically 17.8 at 4K/60 4:2:2 and up to 12 Bit)

4K/60 4:2:2 HDR BT.2020 12 Bit on my 2015 JVC X750(RS500)


If an Epson 5040 can do that with an HDFury Vertex, I would love to see it.



FWIW I was an Epson fan boy and hard core gamer for over a decade, my Espon 1080UB lasted 8 long years, 5 replacement lamps and logged 13K hours.
When I retired it for 4K and a better Cinema experience with a JVC X750(RS500) I was thrilled with the Massive upgrade in Native Contrast.

No way I'd ever go back to Epson now, no matter how much money it would save me.
The JVC support on AVS is second to none for calibration and custom gamma curves for HDR
and the Vertex just took things to a whole new level.

Good Luck
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Also, the bulbs on the JVC projectors are simply fantastic. I'm at 3000 hours and am still getting over 120 nits in LOW power with HDR!
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That should do what you want.

I also suggest to disable auto-switch input if you don't need it, it speeds up HDMI sync a bit.
Dang, VERTEX GUI keeps telling me there is an "error writing values". Time to head over to the VERTEX thread.
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Hi Guys.

Is it just me but whenever play any 4k content on my projector (x5000) whether it's HDR or SDR it ALWAYS says HDR = yes. Is this a bug? I know for a fact i am not sending it HDR most of the time (cos HDR is crap on this projector, it just doesn't have the capabilities to do it properly IMHO)

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This is not the X5000/RS400 thread, (see thread title)
...and 4K/UHD HDR looks AWESOME on my X750(RS500) with custom HDR gamma curves.


So yes, it's just you
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This is not the X5000/RS400 thread, (see thread title)
...and 4K/UHD HDR looks AWESOME on my X750(RS500) with custom HDR gamma curves.


So yes, it's just you
that wasn't my question, that was just a side comment (750 is better than 550 in this regard, but only slightly), but OK i'll try else were...
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Vertex is in and working great. What a great little piece. I just updated my RS 500 with auto switching and it’s working perfectly. There is a learning curve but when all set up you won’t be disappointed.
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