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I ran 4 autocals, 2 for SDR and 2 for HDR with filter, low and high lamp for each. But both have issues when watching movies.

The 2 calibrated SDR have color shifts(?), e.g. A boat at sea, close up pictures at people then depending the angle of the camera the background sky there's the clear color change of th sky, its normal blue then next second it's got a green tint on it then back to normal.

Then tried the HDR but color looks very odd like a broken graphics card and set to 8 bit color with color squares.

Source is OPPO 203, SDR was with HDR off BT709, mode 3 300 or 600 nits.

I 'll try to run autocal again tomorrow but anyone had similar issue? Or could it be the spyder 5 colorimeter?


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I ran 4 autocals, 2 for SDR and 2 for HDR with filter, low and high lamp for each. But both have issues when watching movies.

The 2 calibrated SDR have color shifts(?), e.g. A boat at sea, close up pictures at people then depending the angle of the camera the background sky there's the clear color change of th sky, its normal blue then next second it's got a green tint on it then back to normal.

Then tried the HDR but color looks very odd like a broken graphics card and set to 8 bit color with color squares.

Source is OPPO 203, SDR was with HDR off BT709, mode 3 300 or 600 nits.

I 'll try to run autocal again tomorrow but anyone had similar issue? Or could it be the spyder 5 colorimeter?


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You need to check all three “tabs” of the autocal log to confirm there are no issues with the calibration. Better still, use HCFR and your i1D3 to check the grey scale and colours.
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Source is OPPO 203, SDR was with HDR off BT709, mode 3 300 or 600 nits.
What does this mean? Sounds like you converted all HDR to SDR in the oppo?

What mode did you then select for playback on the projector?
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You need to check all three “tabs” of the autocal log to confirm there are no issues with the calibration. Better still, use HCFR and your i1D3 to check the grey scale and colours.


I looked the tabs after calibration, gamma was straight line, one of the autocal 's color was definitely off but I can't remember the other nor I did capture a screen shot.

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Just found the THX mode also have red color issue at the lower end so the oppo menu with dark space screen is brown now. I'm restoring the backup file now and will see if it corrects the color.


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What does this mean? Sounds like you converted all HDR to SDR in the oppo?



What mode did you then select for playback on the projector?


Sorry should made it clear. With OPPO 203 set to HDR off SDR 709, projector was on natural mode so matching color gamut. This combination color mostly seem okay but had the sky background shift in color issue, normal and dark scenes did not spot the issue.
Then OPPO set to HDR, projector in HDR and had the color totally mismatched. I'll see if I can capture it and upload some pictures.


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When you say "projector in HDR" do mean Gamma D? Did you manually change the color space on the projector? Which one did you choose?

UPDATE: I see you are not using one of the x00 models. Ignore my questions!

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When you say "projector in HDR" do mean Gamma D? Did you manually change the color space on the projector? Which one did you choose?
He has an RS540 with built-in HDR, so the EOTF is ST2084, not Gamma D.
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Thanks for that. I get confused because the thread title is about the x00 series, but the software it used on other years' models, too.

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Need some help...

Hey guys. I picked up a Spyder5 and dabbled with some calibration for autocal on my X750r. The first time I ran it it looked pretty normal but then I read that I had the Spyder facing the wrong way. Anyhow I re-ran it and watching tv tonight everything looked terrible, even in my factory thx mode.... very ‘yellow’. My User mode for Ultra Hd /panasonic ub820 still looked good.
Anyway I decide to just import my original INIT file and go back to the way I had it. Well, now ALL my picture modes I use are washed out. Including my Ultra Hd user mode with the bt2020, 2.4 gamma.

I’m just in the process of re-importing the INIT file again. I’m hoping it’s the solution.
Any ideas?

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Thanks for that. I get confused because the thread title is about the x00 series, but the software it used on other years' models, too.

Updated.
Sorry for the confusion, I was using tapatalk not sure why it got a thread title in.

My setup is rs540, oppo 203 with 150" 0.8 gain light grey screen.

I calibrated the below modes:

For SDR: Cinema mode, standard color profile, 6500K, normal gamma, AP at 0, low lamp;
Natural mode all same setting but high lamp;
For HDR: HDR mode, 2020 color profile, 6500K, normal color, AP at 0, high lamp;
User 2 mode all same setting but low lamp.

Now with OPPO set to HDR Off (BT709) , HDR to SDR mode 3 and Target luminance 600 or 300 nits. The below scenes have the top left corner cloud change into yellow ish color for a second then back to normal, this is quite obvious at several similar scenes.

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HDR mode has crushed high end so I turned the picture tone back to 0 (was on 7 default) with ST2048 gamma. Tried Dominic's 60_25 gamma also crushing.

Below is the autocal result for the SDR and HDR, the SDR color I run a few time autocal always this result. HDR I don't know how far off as it still give 709 color space for reference?

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Here's the HCFR validation of the autocal result for SDR:

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Hey guys. I picked up a Spyder5 and dabbled with some calibration for autocal on my X750r. The first time I ran it it looked pretty normal but then I read that I had the Spyder facing the wrong way.
If the meter was facing the wrong way I would expect the autocal software to show it “outside the box”

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Anyhow I re-ran it and watching tv tonight everything looked terrible, even in my factory thx mode.... very ‘yellow’.
That is a common issue with the Spyder. I would run gamma autocal only.
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If the meter was facing the wrong way I would expect the autocal software to show it “outside the box”


That is a common issue with the Spyder. I would run gamma autocal only.
Good advice. But I’d like to get it back to it’s factory default via the INIT backup restore. Just running it again now. Lets see if I get my colors back.

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Good advice. But I’d like to get it back to it’s factory default via the INIT backup restore. Just running it again now. Lets see if I get my colors back.
Sometimes after restoring you need to power cycle the projector.
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Sometimes after restoring you need to power cycle the projector.
I let it power down, unplugged it for a few mins and restarted it. It’s still the same.

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Well since the INIT file restore has my picture totally washed out I decided to restore the 2nd oldest file- that did zippo.
I’m really frustrated.

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You need to check all three “tabs” of the autocal log to confirm there are no issues with the calibration. Better still, use HCFR and your i1D3 to check the grey scale and colours.
I 've uploaded the autocal result in a earlier reply, and just checked with HCFR, the gamma is close to the result but color is not. Am I right thinking the autocal's modes' color is already ruined by spyder 5? if I re-run gamma only the color will still be unchanged (spyder calibrated color?)?

Also is the 60_25 from your 60 nits curves the correct one to use?
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I 've uploaded the autocal result in a earlier reply, and just checked with HCFR, the gamma is close to the result but color is not. Am I right thinking the autocal's modes' color is already ruined by spyder 5? if I re-run gamma only the color will still be unchanged (spyder calibrated color?)?

Also is the 60_25 from your 60 nits curves the correct one to use?
The only way to “undo the damage” by Spyder autocal is to restore the Init backup. However, you can use the i1d3 to adjust the RGB gains (do not touch the offsets) to bring the greyscale back to D65, then measure the colours to see how far off they are.

The 60_25 file is for people with very low peak nits. It increases the “reference white” brightness but clips more.
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Could I be missing something here?
When the INIT file is restored, is there some setting elsewhere that gets turned to some default?
My reds that would be lipstick red are the color of rust/tomato juice.
Every picture mode appears to be affected.

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The only way to “undo the damage” by Spyder autocal is to restore the Init backup. However, you can use the i1d3 to adjust the RGB gains (do not touch the offsets) to bring the greyscale back to D65, then measure the colours to see how far off they are.



The 60_25 file is for people with very low peak nits. It increases the “reference white” brightness but clips more.


Sorry I may missing something here but why the RGB offset should not be touched?

Once I have the greyscale calibrated, I should use the spreadsheet method to work on the colors? Has there been cases where people are lucky enough to find a spyder 5 very close to i1D3 in terms of accuracy so they can have everything done at once?

I tried the 60_25 curve and do found the white clips so tried st2048 curve and played with the picture tone setting to reduce the clipping. Is there a pattern for adjusting the picture tone etc settings or it's more for in-movie adjust to suit individual movies?


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Could I be missing something here?
When the INIT file is restored, is there some setting elsewhere that gets turned to some default?
My reds that would be lipstick red are the color of rust/tomato juice.
Every picture mode appears to be affected.
You may have to reset the projector.
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You may have to reset the projector.
Ohhhh... ok. I’ll try it

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I tried the 60_25 curve and do found the white clips so tried st2048 curve and played with the picture tone setting to reduce the clipping. Is there a pattern for adjusting the picture tone etc settings or it's more for in-movie adjust to suit individual movies?
You can try these settings:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post56989078

Or use these patterns to do your own adjustments:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...terns-set.html

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You may have to reset the projector.
No change after factory reset.
I’m so sad.

Its like my color gamut is pooched.

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Well I re-ran some Spyder Calibrations and it must have tweaked something because it appears everything is back.
Phew!!!!
I’ll keep my eye on it but so far so good!
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Hi Dominic,

Can I also have some help with this somewhat confusing behaviour of autocal and spyder 5?

I understand that the spyder 5 is known inaccurate with colour, but when the autocal is performed with colour calibration, should it not correct the colours according to spyder 5's readings (autocal does not know spyder 5 is not accurate hence will correct with the readings feed from spyder 5 to form a "correct" colour gamut)? My autocal result shows the calibrated 709 colour gamut is not achieved, and when validating with HCFR, i1D3 and spyder 5 all shows the identical colour gamut, looks like the autocal colour correction did not do anything to correct the colour?


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My autocal result shows the calibrated 709 colour gamut is not achieved, and when validating with HCFR, i1D3 and spyder 5 all shows the identical colour gamut, looks like the autocal colour correction did not do anything to correct the colour?
The calibration log shows you were calibrating/measuring the Standard Colour Profile. You should create a "custom" 709 profile using Autocal (accept all default values) and re-measure. You don't even need to re-run the calibration prior to the measurements.

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The calibration log shows you were calibrating/measuring the Standard Colour Profile. You should create a "custom" 709 profile using Autocal (accept all default values) and re-measure. You don't even need to re-run the calibration prior to the measurements.


So the 'calibration' process from top menu only measures but not correcting the color? But it does correct the gamma presets right - as I read that if I choose 'normal' gamma for the calibration, then basically all gamma presets under the calibrated mode will be corrected.

So the correct process would be to run the calibration then create a color profile and upload to PJ?

Creating color profile also need to select a gamma preset, if I select 2.4, when changing gamma from PJ does the color profile remain correct if I select different gamma value?


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So the 'calibration' process from top menu only measures but not correcting the color? But it does correct the gamma presets right - as I read that if I choose 'normal' gamma for the calibration, then basically all gamma presets under the calibrated mode will be corrected.
The 'calibrate' process does calibrate, as the name implies. However, you did not measure Rec 709, only Standard.
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The 'calibrate' process does calibrate, as the name implies. However, you did not measure Rec 709, only Standard.
ah...totally missed that point Went back to first page and there's the guide on the color profiles, downloaded them and will try later this evening. Should be enough to get me a good basic calibration I think, I can then go through the list of readings from the first page, so much to learn! Thanks a lot for your help Dominic!
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