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post #2101 of 4354 Old 08-24-2017, 11:14 PM
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how do you "load" the menu.py from arve's wip branch?

Where and how am I loading that file (after downloading the wip branch files locally)? Is it into Python 3.6.1? If so, I can't seem to get to the next step where the menu actually works.
Did you install python? What operating system are you using?

On Windows 7, after installing python, double clicking on menu.py in a folder with all the rest of the Arve files opens a command line window.

If that it not working for you, you may need to describe the steps you are taking in detail or better yet post a video of what steps you are taking.
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Did you install python? What operating system are you using?

On Windows 7, after installing python, double clicking on menu.py in a folder with all the rest of the Arve files opens a command line window.

If that it not working for you, you may need to describe the steps you are taking in detail or better yet post a video of what steps you are taking.
Thanks, it was a dumb user error on my part. It was opening the script and not actually running it, so I clicked run in the menu and I'm good now.

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1. When calibrating using the speed method, after doing a Rec709/SDR greyscale calibration for Color Temp=6500K, what value should I be using for Color Temp. for the HDR calibration? Should I keep it on 6500K or perform a new greyscale calibration on another setting using the Masciola patterns?

2. I noticed that selecting the "High Bright" value gives me about 25 more nits, but unsure if this value should be avoided?

3. I have Deadpool, Planet Earth II and Alien Convenant UHD disks - any suggestions on which scenes I should use to do the speed method with? I have about 83 nits available in high lamp (107 nits if I can use high bright setting as questioned in 2 above).
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1. I just selected 6500 again, but I am not sure this is completely right.
2. I am not familiar with this unless it is the same as Super White--which Chad enabled on my setup so that is how I run things.
3. While I have watched two of those, I don't own them. I seem to recall the early freeway scenes in Deadpool MIGHT have some useful highlights in the sky but please don't take my bad memory as gospel here. I ended up using a few different disks over time, but like to make sure the highlights in the ocean spray and foam early in the Shallows (it was a freebie, I didn't buy it!) are visible or that detail is retained in the skies on The Revenant. Most people seem to choose bright explosions like on Mad Max Fury Road. I might too, if I had that disk.
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1. I just selected 6500 again, but I am not sure this is completely right.
2. I am not familiar with this unless it is the same as Super White--which Chad enabled on my setup so that is how I run things.
3. While I have watched two of those, I don't own them. I seem to recall the early freeway scenes in Deadpool MIGHT have some useful highlights in the sky but please don't take my bad memory as gospel here. I ended up using a few different disks over time, but like to make sure the highlights in the ocean spray and foam early in the Shallows (it was a freebie, I didn't buy it!) are visible or that detail is retained in the skies on The Revenant. Most people seem to choose bright explosions like on Mad Max Fury Road. I might too, if I had that disk.
Thanks.

Can anyone answer my 1 & 2 questions above? Manni?
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Thanks, it was a dumb user error on my part. It was opening the script and not actually running it, so I clicked run in the menu and I'm good now.

Questions:

1. When calibrating using the speed method, after doing a Rec709/SDR greyscale calibration for Color Temp=6500K, what value should I be using for Color Temp. for the HDR calibration? Should I keep it on 6500K or perform a new greyscale calibration on another setting using the Masciola patterns?

2. I noticed that selecting the "High Bright" value gives me about 25 more nits, but unsure if this value should be avoided?

3. I have Deadpool, Planet Earth II and Alien Convenant UHD disks - any suggestions on which scenes I should use to do the speed method with? I have about 83 nits available in high lamp (107 nits if I can use high bright setting as questioned in 2 above).
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1. I just selected 6500 again, but I am not sure this is completely right.
2. I am not familiar with this unless it is the same as Super White--which Chad enabled on my setup so that is how I run things.
3. While I have watched two of those, I don't own them. I seem to recall the early freeway scenes in Deadpool MIGHT have some useful highlights in the sky but please don't take my bad memory as gospel here. I ended up using a few different disks over time, but like to make sure the highlights in the ocean spray and foam early in the Shallows (it was a freebie, I didn't buy it!) are visible or that detail is retained in the skies on The Revenant. Most people seem to choose bright explosions like on Mad Max Fury Road. I might too, if I had that disk.
Can anyone comment on this beyond what Nathan already has? Especially 1 & 2 above.
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Can anyone comment on this beyond what Nathan already has? Especially 1 & 2 above.
Regarding Point 2:
High Brite is not related to Super White. It uses the "raw", uncorrected temperature of the lamp, that's why it's brightest but inaccurate.
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Regarding Point 2:
High Brite is not related to Super White. It uses the "raw", uncorrected temperature of the lamp, that's why it's brightest but inaccurate.
Can you calibrate it with the gain/offset settings like you can with 6500K and 7500K?

Also, if you can't, and separately, can I calibrate 6500K with SDR partners, and then calibrate greyscale on 7500K for HDR with Masciola's patterns so I can get a better ore accurate greyscale setting at 7500K then I would if I just used 6500K for HDR?
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Can you calibrate it with the gain/offset settings like you can with 6500K and 7500K?
I don't believe you can. Even if you could, after the adjustments the lumens will drop down to similar levels.

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Also, if you can't, and separately, can I calibrate 6500K with SDR partners, and then calibrate greyscale on 7500K for HDR with Masciola's patterns so I can get a better ore accurate greyscale setting at 7500K then I would if I just used 6500K for HDR?
I'm not quite about that.

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Novice trying to learn as much as possible before an Autocal of an RS420. I note that there are new versions 9 of the software and JVC instructions for the 2017 models. I realize that this forum is for V6/7 of the software, but as for as I can tell there is not a separate thread on calibration of the 2017 models. I am wondering if all the same DIY procedures discussed in this forum are applicable or necessary for the RS420? For example, when Javs posts...[with the RSX20s] "You can fully calibrate the hdr gamma preset and it works". Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this question.

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WOW eckhart you have more 'likes' than 'posts' congratulations! I am in the same boat, basically...with a JVC RS-X570R (the equivalent of the RS420)....I'm wondering why I bought an X-RITE i1Display Pro, when all it can do is keep the calibration while the PC is hooked up...Now its for sale. With AutoCal, my understanding is that the SPYDER 5 calibrator is compatible as a stand alone device that hooks directly to the projector...I could be wrong, and more of a NEWBIE than you! I would love to get this resolved, and the understanding of the basics is where my brain can understand From there it should be easy.
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I don't believe you can. Even if you could, after the adjustments the lumens will drop down to similar levels.



I'm not quite about that.
Sorry, when you said "I'm not quite about that", do you mean I shouldn't worry about re-calibrating greyscale with HDR patterns for a different Colour Temp setting than the one I have done for SDR?
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WOW eckhart you have more 'likes' than 'posts' congratulations! I am in the same boat, basically...with a JVC RS-X570R (the equivalent of the RS420)....I'm wondering why I bought an X-RITE i1Display Pro, when all it can do is keep the calibration while the PC is hooked up...Now its for sale.
I don't know what you mean by "while it's hooked up". Calibration is something done periodically, and it doesn't required the PC in between.

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Autocal requires a PC, it uses software on the PC, you don't connect the Spyder directly to the projector.
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Sorry, when you said "I'm not quite about that", do you mean I shouldn't worry about re-calibrating greyscale with HDR patterns for a different Colour Temp setting than the one I have done for SDR?
Why do you think you need a different color temp for HDR?
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Why do you think you need a different color temp for HDR?
I just figure that after calibrating greyscale using a Rec709 disk (Spears & Munsil) for the 6500K Color Temp value, that it would be inaccurate for use with an HDR image and that I'd have to re-calibrate using the patterns on an HDR calibration disk like the Masciola one.

Are you implying that the same greyscale calibration can apply to both SDR & HDR? If so, then that's great and saves that step.
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I believe that is the case. I would love to hear from a professional or one of our resident expert amateurs before I commit to that belief 100%.

I suppose there is a possibility that the color filter that drops in place for REC2020 might change what one needs to do for the D65 white point.

UPDATE: Manni notes that the color filter, if used for rec2020 color (which it is, in most situations, I believe) will mean a slightly differently calibrated white point.

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I believe that is the case. I would love to hear from a professional or one of our resident expert amateurs before I commit to that belief 100%.

I suppose there is a possibility that the color filter that drops in place for REC2020 might change what one needs to do for the D65 white point.
What changes between SDR and HDR is gamma and gamut, not the white point.

However, because usually you won't have the filter in place for rec-709 and you will for BT2020, the color temp settings are unlikely to be the same.

If, however, you wanted to use SDR rec-709 with the filter or HDR BT2020 without the filter, then the settings for D65 would be the same in both modes as the filter setting would be the same.
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I believe that is the case. I would love to hear from a professional or one of our resident expert amateurs before I commit to that belief 100%.

I suppose there is a possibility that the color filter that drops in place for REC2020 might change what one needs to do for the D65 white point.
Ditto
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[EDIT 16-04-17: here is a link to the latest version of the curve linked below. It improves the details in the highlights for 4000nits titles, at the expense (slightly) or brightness/contrast for 1000nits titles: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post52293025]

Here is the latest curve to download if you have a display with around 130-135nits peak brightness (800nits virtual brightness)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post51376393

If your display can reach around 100-120nits, you might want to try the Dolby Vision Cinema Emulation curve made for 106nits peakY also linked in the section above.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post51436289


Otherwise you might want to look at three curves I uploaded before that, also linked in the section above, New parameters for Arve's tool and three new curves:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post51341121

All the curves above should be used preferably with brightness and contrast set to 0,0 both in the source and projector. You want to use the curve to adjust these. There shouldn't be any adjustment to make to contrast, and for brightness you would need to use the bb or bbi/bbo parameters. More information on setting these in posts linked to in the section above.
Can someone please direct me to where the Dolby Vision Cinema Emulation curve listed above is located?
The link below it appears to lead to a discussion vs an actual zip file I can click on.

I'm currently using the 800-335-4000 curve [16-04-17] with very good results,
but because I'm using low lamp mode I sometimes need to bump the UB900 Dynamic Range Slider up on some titles.
The DV Curve may be a little closer to my brightness levels, so I'd like to load it up to my X750 for an A/B comparison.
(12' throw, 120" 16:9 screen, matt white 1.3 gain, dark room, 700 hours on lamp)

I'm not currently experimenting the Arve tool, but that may change soon.

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Can someone please direct me to where the Dolby Vision Cinema Emulation curve listed above is located?
The link below it appears to lead to a discussion vs an actual zip file I can click on.

I'm currently using the 800-335-4000 curve [16-04-17] with very good results,
but because I'm using low lamp mode I sometimes need to bump the UB900 Dynamic Range Slider up on some titles.
The DV Curve may be a little closer to my brightness levels, so I'd like to load it up to my X750 for an A/B comparison.
(12' throw, 120" 16:9 screen, matt white 1.3 gain, dark room, 700 hours on lamp)

I'm not currently experimenting the Arve tool, but that may change soon.

Thanks in Advance
The DV curve is attached to the post (discussion) you get to when following the link, as it explains how to use the DV curve

By the way, most of my Dropbox links will go dead at the end of the month, and I don't plan to replace them as they link to old curves I only kept for archival purposes at the time. So if there is any curve you want to download, do it before the end of the month. This should be an incentive for people to make their own curves as they should get a better result with Arve's tool, taking into account their actual peak brightness (to the exception of the DV curve if you shoot for 106nits peak white, or close).

The curves attached to a post (such as the latest curves at the end of the first post of the JVC CAlibration thread, or the one attached to the DV Curve post, will still be there.

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The DV curve is attached to the post (discussion) you get to when following the link, as it explains how to use the DV curve

By the way, most of my Dropbox links will go dead at the end of the month, and I don't plan to replace them as they link to old curves I only kept for archival purposes at the time. So if there is any curve you want to download, do it before the end of the month. This should be an incentive for people to make their own curves as they should get a better result with Arve's tool.

The curves attached to a post (such as the latest curves at the end of the first post of the JVC CAlibration thread, or the one attached to the DV Curve post, will still be there.
Sorry Manni, I must be doing something wrong,

There are two different links in the first post for DV,
Both lead to reply 22648 of 26367 by Jav's
No file to download there that I can see

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Sorry Manni, I must be doing something wrong,

There are two different links in the first post for DV,
Both lead to reply 22648 of 26367 by Jav's
No file to download there that I can see
Must be due to how many posts per page you display (I use the forum default, on a desktop, with Chrome). When I click on that link I get to that post:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post51437681

It says post 22652, in case that helps you find it.

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Must be due to how many posts per page you display. When I click on that link I get to that post:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post51437681

It says post 22652, in case that helps you find it.
I have everything at forum default settings, (firefox browser) weird?

Regardless, the link you just provided did take me to the post I was looking for.

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I have everything at forum default settings, (firefox browser) weird?

Regardless, the link you just provided did take me to the post I was looking for.

Huge Thanks! I thought I was losing my mind
I've updated the two links to the DV curve in the first post, hopefully they'll work for everyone now
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I just figure that after calibrating greyscale using a Rec709 disk (Spears & Munsil) for the 6500K Color Temp value, that it would be inaccurate for use with an HDR image and that I'd have to re-calibrate using the patterns on an HDR calibration disk like the Masciola one.

Are you implying that the same greyscale calibration can apply to both SDR & HDR? If so, then that's great and saves that step.
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I believe that is the case. I would love to hear from a professional or one of our resident expert amateurs before I commit to that belief 100%.

I suppose there is a possibility that the color filter that drops in place for REC2020 might change what one needs to do for the D65 white point.

UPDATE: Manni notes that the color filter, if used for rec2020 color (which it is, in most situations, I believe) will mean a slightly differently calibrated white point.

Can anyone with certainty comment on this?
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Can anyone with certainty comment on this?
Already did https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post54705508:

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What changes between SDR and HDR is gamma and gamut, not the white point.

However, because usually you won't have the filter in place for rec-709 and you will for BT2020, the color temp settings are unlikely to be the same.

If, however, you wanted to use SDR rec-709 with the filter or HDR BT2020 without the filter, then the settings for D65 would be the same in both modes as the filter setting would be the same.
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So, how do i tell if the "filter is in place"? I've chosen the imported both the 720NF & 2020NF files into the projector for use. Use the 2020NF one for HDR with my custom curve created with Arve's wip tool.

Finally, since you implied that usually people use the 2020 with the filter, should I NOT be using the 2020NF file?
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multiplier in Arve tool?

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- Open a BT2020 / D65 workflow, select the new BT2020 profile in the PJ, select P3 Sweeps (P3 within BT2020) with a normal gamma and check the results. You should notice a significant improvement.
- Select your custom gamma, set 100% white to D65 and measure your actual BT2020 calibration using the multiplier used in your selected Arve curve. Gamut and gamma/greyscale should be fairly close. I attach my final results.
Hi Manni, two questions for you:

1) How much results changes when we switch from the normal gamma and the custom curve?

2) If I remember well arve tool wip branch there isn't a unique setting for the multiplier. Multiplier is a combination of various settings ...
Can you please explain what are those settings?
a numeric example will be much appreciated.

Thank you so much.
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NF means "no filter" so your D65 point should be pretty darn good.

You gain a little brightness by not using the filter. You loose a little coverage at the edges of the p3 color space within the rec2020 container.

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Thanks,

So, how do i tell if the "filter is in place"? I've chosen the imported both the 720NF & 2020NF files into the projector for use. Use the 2020NF one for HDR with my custom curve created with Arve's wip tool.

Finally, since you implied that usually people use the 2020 with the filter, should I NOT be using the 2020NF file?
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So it's confirmed. Wp is changed, rgb track is different and the gamut is worse.
To check your calibration, you should use the Rec709 Colour Profile. The JVC Standard Colour profile is not Rec709, in spite of the name.
I have attached three gamut maps for my RS400 after AutoCal, as measured with my i1D3. Note that my Spyder5 has a gamut error relative to the i1D3 (see the second figure), but I was able to correct it (see the third figure).
1. Standard Colour Profile
2. Rec709 Colour Profile
3. Custom-tuned Rec709 Colour Profile.
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File Type: jpg RS400_Rec709.jpg (272.5 KB, 43 views)
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Using the newest software for the RS520 and it says to put in ip address and the port number. I just left the port number at the default as i have no idea what port it is and it wont connect. How do I find the port number for my lan on my laptop?
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