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Using the newest software for the RS520 and it says to put in ip address and the port number. I just left the port number at the default as i have no idea what port it is and it wont connect. How do I find the port number for my lan on my laptop?
I had issues going direct from my projector to laptop too,
Swapped my LAN cable direct to my wireless router instead,
Switched the JVC network DHCP client to ON and hit set, all the fields auto filled and connected.

Put the new numbers into AutoCal and all was good.

But when I went to repeat that procedure again today to load Manni's DV gamma curve,
I kept getting "Failed to obtain IP address" on my JVC. Tried re-booting everything still no love

Guess for now I'm stuck with Manni's 800-335-4000 Black=77 curve
...at least I got lucky and works great for me.

For now, AutoCal is dead to me

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I had issues going direct from my projector to laptop too,
Swapped my LAN cable direct to my wireless router instead,
Switched the JVC network DHCP client to ON and hit set, all the fields auto filled and connected.

Put the new numbers into AutoCal and all was good.

But when I went to repeat that procedure again today to load Manni's DV gamma curve,
I kept getting "Failed to obtain IP address" on my JVC. Tried re-booting everything still no love

Guess for now I'm stuck with Manni's 800-335-4000 Black=77 curve
...at least I got lucky and works great for me.

For now, AutoCal is dead to me
I am sure if I was a computer savvy person I would figure out what to look for and change. Wish we could go back to the easy days of windows XP.
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I hope someone can shed some light on this.
I am trying to autocal my RS620 using version V1.20 and the problem is the peak white simply displays an error every time hence the calibration results in pink looking gamma. I am only trying to do gamma.

I thought this was fixed in V1.2? Also why would it error out at peak white? It's the Spyder 5 and is within the rectangle as needs to be ,tried placing it further back as far as it goes within the range.

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I had issues going direct from my projector to laptop too,
Swapped my LAN cable direct to my wireless router instead,
Switched the JVC network DHCP client to ON and hit set, all the fields auto filled and connected.

Put the new numbers into AutoCal and all was good.

But when I went to repeat that procedure again today to load Manni's DV gamma curve,
I kept getting "Failed to obtain IP address" on my JVC. Tried re-booting everything still no love

Guess for now I'm stuck with Manni's 800-335-4000 Black=77 curve
...at least I got lucky and works great for me.

For now, AutoCal is dead to me
I wonder if mine will work. I have a wireless router upstairs and it feeds directly into a switch in the theater. I should theoretically be able to plug into that switch and should work. I tried that and didnt work either.
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The PJ for some reason does not like multiple access points,wifi routers, repeaters etc on the system, what usually works if other options fail is to get a cheap router and set up a closed network just for this between the laptop and the PJ that worked for me every time.

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The PJ for some reason does not like multiple access points,wifi routers, repeaters etc on the system, what usually works if other options fail is to get a cheap router and set up a closed network just for this between the laptop and the PJ that worked for me every time.
A direct connection between the laptop and the PJ, together with manual assignment of the IP addresses, works for me. Some people also had to disable the wi-fi but I haven't found it necessary.
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A direct connection between the laptop and the PJ, together with manual assignment of the IP addresses, works for me. Some people also had to disable the wi-fi but I haven't found it necessary.
THIS makes the most sense to me, Not sure why an internet/network connection should be required
to make autocal settings adjustments between a software program on a laptop and a projector.

But when I enter my IP from the JVC menu, all I get is Connect NG.
Tried with wifi on and off and still no love.

Is there a way to confirm what my port number is on my HP/Windows 10 laptop?

AutoCal seems to automatically insert 20554, is it safe to assume that number is correct?



This is SO frustrating, mostly because it did work for me once already using the network DHCP Client to On.
I've been trying for 3 days now and can't figure out what the heck I did right the first time and can't repeat now.
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THIS makes the most sense to me, Not sure why an internet/network connection should be required
to make autocal settings adjustments between a software program on a laptop and a projector.

But when I enter my IP from the JVC menu, all I get is Connect NG.
Tried with wifi on and off and still no love.
Have you confirmed that on your laptop the ethernet IP address is 192.168.0.1, and default gateway is 192.168.0.254, and on the projector the IP is 192.168.0.2?
The port number on the projector shouldn't change.
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THIS makes the most sense to me, Not sure why an internet/network connection should be required
to make autocal settings adjustments between a software program on a laptop and a projector.

But when I enter my IP from the JVC menu, all I get is Connect NG.
Tried with wifi on and off and still no love.

Is there a way to confirm what my port number is on my HP/Windows 10 laptop?

AutoCal seems to automatically insert 20554, is it safe to assume that number is correct?



This is SO frustrating, mostly because it did work for me once already using the network DHCP Client to On.
I've been trying for 3 days now and can't figure out what the heck I did right the first time and can't repeat now.
Freaking HATE computers!

@Dominic Chan +1

Pio, when you connect your laptop directly to the pj, are you able to successfully ping the IP? If your P2P network is set up properly, then you should be able to ping the pj's IP from your laptop.
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I Got IT! FINALLY

I went back to the screen shot I saved from when it worked the first time through my router, DHCP Client "ON"
Copied the numbers into the required fields, But left DHCP Client "OFF" so I could manually insert the same numbers that worked before, did not hit "Set", just put the same matching IP into AutoCal and it connected.

How it looked the first time


The workaround that just linked up for me now


I just loaded up Manni's DV Curve into Custom slot 3
It's pretty close to the 800-334-4000 (Black-77) curve in my Custom slot 2

For some reason every curve I try loading into my JVC's Custom 1 comes out Green?
I tried 3 different curves, made sure correction value was set to import.

DV Curve


800-334-4000


My JVC's Custom 1 slot looks Matrix Green
...no matter which curve I attempt to load into that slot



Is this a defect in my JVC?

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Trying to do a factory reset after loading the init file. How is it done?
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Trying to do a factory reset after loading the init file. How is it done?
Funny, Zombie10K just answered this for me today.

hi, yes it's in the service menu. If you choose to reload the INIT file, do so through the auto cal software then factory reset in service menu, then power cycle.


JVC Projector Service Menu Access Code
Using the remote control:
Press the {UP} {DOWN} {RIGHT} {LEFT} buttons.
Then press the {ENTER} button.
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I went back to the screen shot I saved from when it worked the first time through my router, DHCP Client "ON" Copied the numbers into the required fields, But left DHCP Client "OFF" so I could manually insert the same numbers that worked before, did not hit "Set", just put the same matching IP into AutoCal and it connected.
This helped answer it I think. DHCP is dynamic ip address allocation, so that IP address you saw changes everytime you power cycle, or sooner depending on your 'lease' settings. So you should have to go to the menu each time to find your new IP address to input into Autocal.

i think settling a fixed IP, like you did, makes sense since you have a one time setting and you're done. that's what I have. Autocal works. I just don't have it plugged into my network to avoid IP address setting issues down the road fixed versus DHCP.

My problem is that my projector can't even resolve DHCP, even though 4 other piece of equipment on the same physical switch do...hmmm. Oh well, for now it all works.
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Had a X750R and now a new X970R. I have a 138" scope screen.

Looking to first do a JVC auto-cal with my Spyder 5.

First off, I do a gamma+color for my HDR mode, which is high lamp, iris 0, CMD off.

I set Color Profile at BT.2020
Color Temp at HDR
Gamma at Normal

Is this correct? I wasn't sure as on my X750R for HDR I selected 2020NF, 6500K and Custom 1 for gamma to run the gamma+color on.


Note: I intend to later create a custom curve for gamma for HDR.


Likewise, I intend to follow Manni's updated instructions and do a gamma+color for my normal Rec709 modes.

For one of these modes, I run low lamp, iris -10, CMD off.

I set Color Profile to Standard (or should I be using an imported Rec709F or Rec709NF?)
Color Temp at 6500K
Gamma at Normal

is this correct to run gamma+color on?

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So can anyone confirm the software is still a dud causing red gamma or if not why is it doing it for me and some others causing the peak white error?

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Thanks Again to Manni!

I've been flipping between your 800-334-4000 (Black-77)
and the Dolby Vision Cinema Emulation and Both look quite good, doesnt matter if they are 4000 or 1000 nit titles.

The DV Emulation adds just the right amount of Pop on colorful titles,
But at the expense of adding a little too much red on skin tones for my preference
(on my un-calibrated JVC) So for most drama type movies I stick to 800-334-4000.

Anyone who wants a real blast of HDR color, load up Lego Batman O-M-G




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800-334-4000 (Black-77)


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...and the same shot on my 65" OLED
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Had a X750R and now a new X970R. I have a 138" scope screen.

Looking to first do a JVC auto-cal with my Spyder 5.

First off, I do a gamma+color for my HDR mode, which is high lamp, iris 0, CMD off.

I set Color Profile at BT.2020
Color Temp at HDR
Gamma at Normal

Is this correct? I wasn't sure as on my X750R for HDR I selected 2020NF, 6500K and Custom 1 for gamma to run the gamma+color on.


Note: I intend to later create a custom curve for gamma for HDR.


Likewise, I intend to follow Manni's updated instructions and do a gamma+color for my normal Rec709 modes.

For one of these modes, I run low lamp, iris -10, CMD off.

I set Color Profile to Standard (or should I be using an imported Rec709F or Rec709NF?)
Color Temp at 6500K
Gamma at Normal

is this correct to run gamma+color on?
Anyone able to answer my questions?

I uploaded the Rec709NF to the projector, and calibrated that for Color Profile setting on my HD modes using autocal instead of using the Standard color profile.

Is that correct?
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For autocal on HDR user modes, what settings should I use for Gamma and Color Profile?

Also, once normal gamma is calibrated with autocal, do we need to bump Dark level up to 2?
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For autocal on HDR user modes, what settings should I use for Gamma and Color Profile?

Also, once normal gamma is calibrated with autocal, do we need to bump Dark level up to 2?
Anyone?
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So I finally got a hold of Ray's UHD test patterns and made a stab at creating my own gamma curve. Until now I've used Mannis newest 4000 curve for 135 nits, which looks great in my setup: RS400 with 3.6 m throw, 90" 1.0 gain screen, low lamp, all black/velvet and light controlled room, calibrated with Autocal and Spyder5. But I thought I'd try the Arve tool to see if I could get even better results.

I chose the Mad Max scene at appr. 29.05 (recommended by Manni). Structurally it went well in the sense that I got through the whole process (phew) including finding the right bbo number to make bar 77 and above visible (in Rays black clipping pattern).

I found setting the contrast level a bit difficult though, and I actually skipped the Brightness setting altogether.

Contrast: in the Mad Max frame above, I had to turn the contrast down to -30 to reveal all details behind Max's head (the brittle smudges and stains placed to the left and right in the bright window frame). This level rendered a very dim curve, obviously . The curve is much dimmer than Mannis premade one. Question is, is there a better scene or am I doing something wrong ? It seems this one is quite extreme in brightness. Perhaps I should just let some of these details be submerged in bloom, but it's hard to know where to stop the bloom or let it conceal stuff. The details in highlights in this scene are abstract/non-figurative so perhaps that makes it hard.

Brightness: This is just over my head. I tried entering some numbers according to Lovingdvd's speed guide but it seemed to make no difference. Also very hard to know which results to deem as good.

As I mentioned, Mannis premade curve is very nice -- and I think my setup lightning-wise is quite close to his (except the projector) -- but it would be nice to make a wholly custom made curve that is not as dim.

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So I finally got a hold of Ray's UHD test patterns and made a stab at creating my own gamma curve. Until now I've used Mannis newest 4000 curve for 135 nits, which looks great in my setup: RS400 with 3.6 m throw, 90" 1.0 gain screen, low lamp, all black/velvet and light controlled room, calibrated with Autocal and Spyder5. But I thought I'd try the Arve tool to see if I could get even better results.

I chose the Mad Max scene at appr. 29.05 (recommended by Manni). Structurally it went well in the sense that I got through the whole process (phew) including finding the right bbo number to make bar 77 and above visible (in Rays black clipping pattern).

I found setting the contrast level a bit difficult though, and I actually skipped the Brightness setting altogether.

Contrast: in the Mad Max frame above, I had to turn the contrast down to -30 to reveal all details behind Max's head (the brittle smudges and stains placed to the left and right in the bright window frame). This level rendered a very dim curve, obviously . The curve is much dimmer than Mannis premade one. Question is, is there a better scene or am I doing something wrong ? It seems this one is quite extreme in brightness. Perhaps I should just let some of these details be submerged in bloom, but it's hard to know where to stop the bloom or let it conceal stuff. The details in highlights in this scene are abstract/non-figurative so perhaps that makes it hard.

Brightness: This is just over my head. I tried entering some numbers according to Lovingdvd's speed guide but it seemed to make no difference. Also very hard to know which results to deem as good.

As I mentioned, Mannis premade curve is very nice -- and I think my setup lightning-wise is quite close to his (except the projector) -- but it would be nice to make a wholly custom made curve that is not as dim.
We have a very similar setup (Carada BW 88" diag 16/9 with effective gain of 1.1 at most), which explains why my curves work well for you. If I were you, I'd use the parameters I've given for my 4000nits universal curve for low lamp or high lamp at iris open (so that you get the full resolution of Arve's curve, and not the low-res from the JVC Autocal exports), and I'd call it a day after simply adjusting bbi/bbo. You should resolve down to 81. 77 is black in an illegal curve, so should NOT blink.

Both contrast and brightness should be at zero, both in the player and the display.

Ric (LovingDVD) and others will answer regarding the auto process, I never used it myself. You change contrast during the auto process, but contrast and brightness should be at zero at the end of the process.

Side note: I use high lamp most of the time now for HDR (unless I'm watching a super dark picture without much color like Underworld), because the color volume is larger in High Lamp. It's harder to reach DCI-P3 at all levels in low lamp. If you can use high lamp from a fan noise / heat point of view, I highly recommend it (as long as you can enable the dynamic iris with a Linker/Vertex). I only use low lamp when black levels (apart from fade to black) is more important than color saturation, which is not very often. I watched Blade Runner in High Lamp for example.
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For autocal on HDR user modes, what settings should I use for Gamma and Color Profile?

Also, once normal gamma is calibrated with autocal, do we need to bump Dark level up to 2?
Anyone at all?

Also, came up with another question:

If using HCFR to calibrate HDR using Masciola's HDR greyscale patterns, is it as simple as selecting the HDR gamut in the Preferences/References area of the HCFR app?
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We have a very similar setup (Carada BW 88" diag 16/9 with effective gain of 1.1 at most), which explains why my curves work well for you. If I were you, I'd use the parameters I've given for my 4000nits universal curve for low lamp or high lamp at iris open (so that you get the full resolution of Arve's curve, and not the low-res from the JVC Autocal exports), and I'd call it a day after simply adjusting bbi/bbo. You should resolve down to 81. 77 is black in an illegal curve, so should NOT blink.

Both contrast and brightness should be at zero, both in the player and the display.

Ric (LovingDVD) and others will answer regarding the auto process, I never used it myself. You change contrast during the auto process, but contrast and brightness should be at zero at the end of the process.

Side note: I use high lamp most of the time now for HDR (unless I'm watching a super dark picture like Underworld), because the color volume is larger in High Lamp. It's harder to reach DCI-P3 at all levels in low lamp. If you can use high lamp from a fan noise / heat point of view, I highly recommend it (as long as you can enable the dynamic iris with a Linker/Vertex). I only use low lamp when black levels (apart from fade to black) is more important than color saturation, which is not very often. I watched Blade Runner in High Lamp for example.
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I've been using High lamp as well for HDR and like it better. My screen is a Stewart Firehawk, so I get slightly better black levels due to the screen, which is an added benefit.
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We have a very similar setup (Carada BW 88" diag 16/9 with effective gain of 1.1 at most), which explains why my curves work well for you. If I were you, I'd use the parameters I've given for my 4000nits universal curve for low lamp or high lamp at iris open (so that you get the full resolution of Arve's curve, and not the low-res from the JVC Autocal exports), and I'd call it a day after simply adjusting bbi/bbo. You should resolve down to 81. 77 is black in an illegal curve, so should NOT blink.
Are these the parameters? Sorry for the basic questions... Should I plug these into your 4000 curve using the Arve's tool? I have only used the Arve tool from the perspective of creating a new curve. So in this case instead of loading a default curve from the Arve toolbox I'll pick yours and then enter your parameters? When you say Autocal exports, what are your referring to? I have never exported anything from Autocal.

EDIT: I'm not sure I'm using the Universal curve. This is the one I have loaded.

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Are these the parameters? Sorry for the basic questions... Should I plug these into your 4000 curve using the Arve's tool? I have only used the Arve tool from the perspective of creating a new curve. So in this case instead of loading a default curve from the Arve toolbox I'll pick yours and then enter your parameters? When you say Autocal exports, what are your referring to? I have never exported anything from Autocal.

EDIT: I'm not sure I'm using the Universal curve. This is the one I have loaded.
Yes, these are the parameters for my low lamp calibration at 135nits PeakY. To use one of my curves, you either plug the parameters in Arve's tool and create a high resolution curve that the tool uploads directly to the PJ, or you download the low-res version that I exported with the JVC Autocal. In that case, you have to use the JVC Autocal to upload the curve in a custom slot on the PJ.

If you haven't done either of these things, I don't know how you have tested my curves.

I'm snowed under with work at the moment so won't have the time to answer further questions, but if the explanations in this thread with all the posts linked in the first post are not enough, I'm sure others will help.

Good luck!
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Yes, these are the parameters for my low lamp calibration at 135nits PeakY. To use one of my curves, you either plug the parameters in Arve's tool and create a high resolution curve that the tool uploads directly to the PJ, or you download the low-res version that I exported with the JVC Autocal. In that case, you have to use the JVC Autocal to upload the curve in a custom slot on the PJ.

If you haven't done either of these things, I don't know how you have tested my curves.

I'm snowed under with work at the moment so won't have the time to answer further questions, but if the explanations in this thread with all the posts linked in the first post are not enough, I'm sure others will help.

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Thanks Manni! Sorry, I missunderstood what Autocal exports meant. Yes, I have used your exported 4000 curve, I have just never exported something myself. Also didn’t know they were low resolution.

I’m on track I believe...will try testing creating this universal curve soon, and will look for the high lamp settings as well.

Thanks again for the help and for having patience with my scattered questions
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For autocal on HDR user modes, what settings should I use for Gamma and Color Profile?

Also, once normal gamma is calibrated with autocal, do we need to bump Dark level up to 2?
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Anyone at all?

Also, came up with another question:

If using HCFR to calibrate HDR using Masciola's HDR greyscale patterns, is it as simple as selecting the HDR gamut in the Preferences/References area of the HCFR app?

Ok, one more ask....anyone?
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For autocal on HDR user modes, what settings should I use for Gamma and Color Profile?

Also, once normal gamma is calibrated with autocal, do we need to bump Dark level up to 2?
I'd like to know too.

I ran the autocal last night on my X5000 but had issues, my non HDR cal seemed to go ok but once I did the BT2020 cal everything had a pink tinge to it.
I ended up reloading the backup and resetting the PJ, anyone got any ideas what might cause this?
Also I was going to download the REC2020NF profile from the beginning of this thread but I get a dropbox message saying this file no longer exists?
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So whats going on with the pink tinge etc? Can someone confirm it is still a software issue?

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So whats going on with the pink tinge etc? Can someone confirm it is still a software issue?
Speaking of pink tinge, I noticed when I tried to do a greyscale calibration using HDR patterns (Masciola's) using the HDR preset and after running autocal for my user HDR user mode.

I noticed while adjusting the red gain/offset values that I was fine on the calibration software I was using (HCFR) to bump it up but the second I hit a threshold value (forget, but I think red offset at +2) the whole pattern added a huge red push to it, but yet I still needed to bump red up more to align the greyscale.

This was all with BT2020 on in my preset HDR mode as stated calibrated with autodial.

Any ideas? Are you guys just using your 6500K greyscale setting that you derived using a Rec709 calibration and calling it a day? Or are you trying to calibrate greyscale with HDR patterns, etc.?
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