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Wolf Cinema Announces Upgraded Projectors for 2016

Wolf Cinema is a company that's known for modifying projectors made by other manufacturers, in an effort to improve their performance. The company just announced upgrades to its most popular models, which are based on light engines from JVC's line of D-ILA projectors, already considered to be among the best when it comes to color and contrast.

Unsurprisingly, these upgrades essentially mirror the new features found on JVC's own projectors. The four Wolf Cinema models that receive an upgrade are the SDC-8, SDC-10, SDC-12 and SDC-15. The company says that the 2016 editions of his projectors all feature a 30% increase in peak white output, expanded color gamut, compatibility with HDR content, and compatibility with ultra HD resolution content—they can accept 4K60 4:4:4 sources. Importantly, the new projectors have HDMI 2.0 inputs with HDCP 2.2 support.


The Wolf Cinema SDC-15 D-ILA projector.

Jim McGall, Director of Sales for Wolf Cinema, commented on the projectors' 4K content support, saying "4K content can now be fully realized with these Ultra HD-ready home theater projectors. They each come with an all-new, fourth generation V4K temporal mapping technology core, which can display true 4096 x 2160 content on very large home cinema screens."

Wolf Cinema also offers the SDC-12 and SDC-15 as "flagship ensembles" bundled with ProScaler MK IV video processors. Jim stated "The two special editions with our latest external ProScaler MK IV video processor has an expanded CMS calibration suite, advanced noise reduction algorithms, multiple HDMI 2.0 inputs and outputs, plus E-VariScope imaging technology to eliminate top/bottom 'black bars' when firing onto ultra-wide 2.35:1 CinemaScope screens." The company says these systems will be able to project onto screens as large as 14 feet.


The ProScaler MK IV video processor.

The new editions of these projectors are priced between $8,000 and $22,000 in North America. Wolf Cinema will demo the SDC-15 Ultra 4K at CES 2016, I'll be there to check it out.
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So these are basically the rebadged JVC models.
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So these are basically the rebadged JVC models.
Re-priced too, and with a different, more sketchy claim of 4k than JVC makes.
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So these are basically the rebadged JVC models.
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Re-priced too, and with a different, more sketchy claim of 4k than JVC makes.
In all seriousness, I've avoided sitting down with these guys at a show ever since I saw Waterfall speakers used in one of their demos. It's not a rational thing, I was just like "No thanks, I don't want to write about a system that has those speakers in it." I have no opinion on the projectors.

Anyhow, I do intend to check out the Wolf Cinema room at The Venetian this year—regardless of what speakers are used in the demo.

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In all seriousness, I've avoided sitting down with these guys at a show ever since I saw Waterfall speakers used in one of their demos. It's not a rational thing, I was just like "No thanks, I don't want to write about a system that has those speakers in it."

Anyhow, I do intend to check out the Wolf Cinema room at The Venetian this year, since I'll be there anyway.
Looks like the did a pretty good job of hiding the wires/cross overs.
I can't help but thinking they would look good in a 1960's James Bond movie, you know the type, where the villain is sitting on this white leather sectional, petting a white Persian cat and the whole room is done it white with the inevitable glass coffee table _ it has to match the speakers you know.
I would spend money on Magnepan, but not those.
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Anthem re-badged RS2's years ago. I wonder why JCV is interested in this? Doesn't it hurt their credibility?
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Anthem re-badged RS2's years ago. I wonder why JCV is interested in this? Doesn't it hurt their credibility?
Wolf has been doing this for years. Nothing new here. They probably get a number of sales from boutique home theater dealers from customers who don't know any better.
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I wonder how this gem worked out for them..



that Optoma HD91 may be one of the worst modern day projectors I've had here.
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I wonder how this gem worked out for them..



that Optoma HD91 may be one of the worst modern day projectors I've had here.

" A dog in Wolf's clothing " perhaps ?
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" A dog in Wolf's clothing " perhaps ?
Or rather a sheep
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Jim McGall, Director of Sales for Wolf Cinema, commented on the projectors' 4K content support, saying "4K content can now be fully realized with these Ultra HD-ready home theater projectors. They each come with an all-new, fourth generation V4K temporal mapping technology core, which can display true 4096 x 2160 content on very large home cinema screens."
Do these projectors have the same LCoS chips as the JVC reference line? If so, can someone explain how they replaced e-shift with true 4K?

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Do these projectors have the same LCoS chips as the JVC reference line? If so, can someone explain how they replaced e-shift with true 4K?
They did not replace e-shift... they are the same chips JVC uses. I'll take (good) questions brought up this thread and ask about them when I visit Wolf at CES.
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They did not replace e-shift... they are the same chips JVC uses. I'll take (good) questions brought up this thread and ask about them when I visit Wolf at CES.
Ok, they should be more clear about input versus output on their web-site and other material.

Is the top model with the $22,000 SRP based on the RS600? If so, what does the $12,000 above JVC SRP buy exactly? (beyond factory calibration, of course)

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Ok, they should be more clear about input versus output on their web-site and other material.

Is the top model with the $22,000 SRP based on the RS600? If so, what does the $12,000 above JVC SRP buy exactly? (beyond factory calibration, of course)
Hopefully you are cool with waiting about a week to find out...
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It appears that Wolf does add some value to the rebadged products though the price point is arguable. For example the Wolf SDC-20 dlp projector is using the same chassis as the DPI E-Vision 4500 and Vivitek D5190HD, but the Wolf is the only version that uses a 1080P dc3 chip for this application. TheWolf is also the only show in town if you prefer a Laser driven HD-ila home theater based setup.
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I'm always attracted by the language "discerning enthusiast".
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If so, what does the $12,000 above JVC SRP buy exactly? (beyond factory calibration, of course)
Maybe better quality control? I would pay a small premium (but not $12K) for a JVC that was pre-tested and confirmed to have good convergence and no uniformity issues. Wait, wasn't that the whole point of buying a "hand picked" RS600 over the RS500!?
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Maybe better quality control? I would pay a small premium (but not $12K) for a JVC that was pre-tested and confirmed to have good convergence and no uniformity issues. Wait, wasn't that the whole point of buying a "hand picked" RS600 over the RS500!?

Now we know the root cause for the bright corners on the RS600, it seems that Wolf gets to hand pick theirs first .
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From my understanding and an explanation from one of there resellers, they start with the JVC platform and then improve on the platform by way of calibration and some components plus the external chassis. I've see their SDC 6, 8 and 12 on display and they are nice. IMO, they are a great projector for a specific consumer.

For me, I'm interested in their MkV ProScaler and how it would stack up against the newest Lumagens. Their specs don't state 4K support, so it seems an odd match to the new 4K PJs. Or did I miss something?

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it's highly doubtful there is some secret sauce vs. 1:1 JVC / Lumagen re-badge, otherwise these projectors they have sold for years would have been reviewed and lauded by the AV community.

there's the hard line question to ask them - what exactly is it about these new projectors that will have a tangible, measurable increase in picture quality vs. an off the shelf JVC + Lumagen.


This other boutique company does the same thing except their JVC cases look like something out of star wars.

http://www.cineversum.com/classic/bw...s/prod_bw3.htm

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Wolf Cinema, or should it be renamed, "How to spend tons more money than necessary"?

Zombie, if that other boutique company were smart they would have struck a deal with Disney/Lucasfilm to create re-badged JVCs in Darth Vader helmets in time for The Force Awakens.
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there's the hard line question to ask them - what exactly is it about these new projectors that will have a tangible, measurable increase in picture quality vs. an off the shelf JVC + Lumagen.
Exactly. And it's not a question anyone need tip toe around either.
It's the obvious one. A company asking for a 12 grand premium over the off the shelf versions of JVC/Lumagen owes anyone asking it a ready and convincing answer.

(And I'm sure im not the only one who is immediately rankled somewhat by seeing JVCs E-Shift processing re-marketspeaked into
sounding like something Wolf Cinema is bringing to the product).
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JVC has a lot of friends out there. Wolf, Cineversum and Dreamvision as well.

this should look a little familar:

http://www.dreamvision.net/proj/siglos3.html

I missed the limited bling edition. This has to be worth some serious extra $$ over a base JVC.



it's clearly modeled from that ship from that long forgotten prequel movie...


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JVC has a lot of friends out there. Wolf, Cineversum and Dreamvision as well.

this should look a little familar:

http://www.dreamvision.net/proj/siglos3.html

I missed the limited bling edition. This has to be worth some serious extra $$ over a base JVC.



it's clearly modeled from that ship from that long forgotten prequel movie...

Haha. Excellent post!
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JVC has a lot of friends out there. Wolf, Cineversum and Dreamvision as well.

this should look a little familar:

http://www.dreamvision.net/proj/siglos3.html

I missed the limited bling edition. This has to be worth some serious extra $$ over a base JVC.



it's clearly modeled from that ship from that long forgotten prequel movie...


That's a company with dubious priorities: Let's make a projector out of the Most Reflective Material we can find and see if anyone will buy it!

Maybe they offer HT speaker systems coated with mirrors to match.
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Why are Companies like this still allowed in the Industry ? they are charging joke prices for products that are only slightly different than a JVC

Many people in the Industry are saying the new JVC's are better looking than the 4K Sony projectors from last year and the JVC is much cheaper

so why in the hell would anyone buy the Wolf at ridiculous prices ?


this is laughable
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Why are Companies like this still allowed in the Industry ? they are charging joke prices for products that are only slightly different than a JVC

Many people in the Industry are saying the new JVC's are better looking than the 4K Sony projectors from last year and the JVC is much cheaper

so why in the hell would anyone buy the Wolf at ridiculous prices ?


this is laughable
It's capitalism, people can do what they want.
Snobbery also sells.
People with more money then they know what to with are interested in this sort of thing.
The Cadillac over the Oldsmobile, so to speak.
The cars are very identical mechanical wise, but buyers pay for the name.

I looked at Dream Visions web site and they claim artifact free frame interpolation _ so does that mean they're building their own boards too _ perhaps using better quality cherry picked parts ? Like better capacitors ?

Maybe the mechanical parts in the lenses are made better _ maybe less plastic ???

I know when ever there is more labour involved the price of things go through the roof, especially when components are cherry picked.
It makes me wonder if Wolf/Dream Vision etc. went to Sony looking for native 4K panels.
I could imagine what Sony would of said.

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JVC has a lot of friends out there. Wolf, Cineversum and Dreamvision as well.

this should look a little familar:

http://www.dreamvision.net/proj/siglos3.html

I missed the limited bling edition. This has to be worth some serious extra $$ over a base JVC.



it's clearly modeled from that ship from that long forgotten prequel movie...


You mean this movie?

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so in other words, this is a dumb ass's industry where people try to sell whatever for whatever price they can get

where the hell is the intelligence in this industry?

I remember talking to a moron Wolf Dealer at Oakville Sight and Sound. When I mentioned JVC, it was obvious he got all intense and shaky when he spoke

try asking him if you bring in the equal JVC model and set it up next to his overpriced Wolf whether he can point out the differences

suddenly he couldn't speak or understand English
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so in other words, this is a dumb ass's industry where people try to sell whatever for whatever price they can get

This sounds like the AVS Classifieds... LOL

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