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post #31 of 366 Old 07-11-2016, 09:08 AM
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Well got the 320/365 and am very impressed with it definitely an improvement over the 300. There is only one things that bugs me. I am fighting with Samsung UHD player it just does not play nice, getting the overblown red effect and there is no way to defeat it.
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I have the Sony 665ES, not the 365ES, but these projectors are very similar so hopefully my comments will be helpful. First, it is important that you have the latest firmware installed on your 365ES. The Sony 2.203 firmware update for the 665ES vastly improved how the Samsung K8500 worked in delivering HDR and WCG (wide color gamut) to the Sony 665ES. Note that it is necessary to use the Sony 665ES menu to set the color space to Bt. 2020. This will not happen automatically on playing UHD blu-ray discs. Also be sure that your Sony 365ES has its HDR menu setting to Auto. When HDR is being delivered to your Sony 365ES, setting the HDR to Auto or On should be the same, but setting it to off will give a very undersaturated onscreen image. Secondly, when playing a UHD blu-ray disc, access the Tools menu on the Samsung K8500 (you must be playing a UHD disc to access the Tools menu), go to the Picture Mode and select User, then press enter. This will open up a menu which allows you to adjust the brightness and color quality of the onscreen image. When playing UHD movies on my Sony 665ES, I typically have the brightness set to 8-10 and I adjust the color on a scene to give good flesh tones. After this exit the menus and enjoy the movie. With my 665ES and these adjustments I am now getting a very nice onscreen image from the Samsung K8500 + Sony 665ES combination, and I believe you will be able ot do the same with your 365ES Sony projector.

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Thanks Tom for chiming in. I've already done all that and and yes it does improve PQ, and the firmware you mention is the only one for the 365 and HDR only got enabled using it so there is no other update for it at present.

I even took it further a step and experimented more last night. I found the biggest improvement in HDR PQ quality was made after forcing dynamic range on the projector to Full instead of Auto this revealed lots of lost shadow detail and dark scenes became much better looking, have you tried this on yours? I have played with the BT 2020 color settings and improved on it however its very far from being good. I believe we need to calibrate BT 2020. Now if I only knew how to do it properly.

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Thanks Tom for chiming in. I've already done all that and and yes it does improve PQ, and the firmware you mention is the only one for the 365 and HDR only got enabled using it so there is no other update for it at present.

I even took it further a step and experimented more last night. I found the biggest improvement in HDR PQ quality was made after forcing dynamic range on the projector to Full instead of Auto this revealed lots of lost shadow detail and dark scenes became much better looking, have you tried this on yours? I have played with the BT 2020 color settings and improved on it however its very far from being good. I believe we need to calibrate BT 2020. Now if I only knew how to do it properly.

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Yes, I have tried setting the dynamic range on my 665ES to full instead of auto, but I find that it makes only a very small differene in terms of shadow detail and dark scenes. I really don't have any complaints about lack of shadow detail of the image appearing to dark with the dynamic ranged on Auto. I agree that it would be nice to calibrate Bt. 2020, but in the absence of any means of doing this I just adjust for optimum flesh tones and the result is a quite nice image on my screen.

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Thanks Tom,

Perhaps I notice little more improvement with Dynamic range full due to the lower light output, in any case I am happy with it.

Can you please let me know what your BT 2020 settings are exactly?

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Perhaps I notice little more improvement with Dynamic range full due to the lower light output, in any case I am happy with it.

Can you please let me know what your BT 2020 settings are exactly?
I am actually watching my UHD blu-ray discs in the low lamp mode on my Sony 665ES as that provides plenty of brightness on my relatively small (100 in wide) screen. As far as my exact settings for BT. 2020 on the Sony 665ES, I have all of these at the default position, i.e. making no color space changes in the bt. 2020 color space menu of the 665ES. I then play back the UHD blu-ray disc, select Tools>Picture Mode>User, press enter and then adjust the brightness to 7-10 (dpending on the UHD movie) and adjust the color controls a small amount to get what looks to me like a good flesh tone. Once I get the flesh tone right, I let the other colors fall where they may and the image looks very good I am sorry but off the top of my head I cannot remember the exact color adjustments that I put in with the Samsung, but they are relatively small and vary from one UHD blu-ray movie to the next by a small amount. In short I am doing my brightness and color adjustments with the Samsung and leaving all of my Sony 665ES menu adjustments (except for switiching to BT. 2020 color space) where they are for watching all content. the advantage to this setup is that I only have to remember to switch the 665ES to Bt. 2020 color to watch a UHD blu-ray and switch the Samsung Menu to the User setting in Tools>Picture Mode and make any adjustments needed for that movie for optimum image quality. When watching normal blu-ray discs, I make sure that the Samsung Tools>Picture Mode is set to either standard or Movie and obviously I have the 665ES color space set to rec. 709.

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Thanks Tom,

I am using low lamp mode too its plenty brihg enough even for HDR. I adjust the projector color space because I simply do not want to fiddle with the player every time I move back and forsth between FHD and UHD. The only mode I like on the Samsung is User. Besides I get the same red issue on the PC as well when watching HDR so it makes sense to adjust the PJ. Ohh well. I might try it anyway. Thanks.

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Thanks Tom for chiming in. I've already done all that and and yes it does improve PQ, and the firmware you mention is the only one for the 365 and HDR only got enabled using it so there is no other update for it at present.

I even took it further a step and experimented more last night. I found the biggest improvement in HDR PQ quality was made after forcing dynamic range on the projector to Full instead of Auto this revealed lots of lost shadow detail and dark scenes became much better looking, have you tried this on yours? I have played with the BT 2020 color settings and improved on it however its very far from being good. I believe we need to calibrate BT 2020. Now if I only knew how to do it properly.

Cheers

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I just received my 365ES today and successfully updated the firmware to enable HDR. I'd like to know what in which picture modes you're forcing the dynamic range to "full"? Can any 365/665 owner tell me whether or not the PJ automatically upscales all videos to maximum resolution (which would be higher than the native UHD content from Roku 4)? Next: I realize that the 365 lacks a dynamic iris, likely decreasing the HDR palette, but it seems that the "Contrast Enhancer" (found in Cinema Black Pro under the Picture Menu) is Sony's attempt at a static equivalent. Have you made use of this option? Lastly, I thought that HDR and 10 bit color were synonymous. However, setting the Roku 4 output to 10 bit color leaves me with no image (despite my having enabled HDR). Am I missing something? Thanks to all!
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Congrats.

Not sure about Roku as I am now using the Panasonic player and its excellent (samsung was a disaster). UHD does not get up-scaled to higher than UHD to my understanding (but it may use 4096x2160 not sure how to confirm). Dynamic range is adjusted in the projectors picture menu in any picture mode but since I wrote the above I found that while it increases shadow detail it also makes the image look hazy so I don't use it anymore instead as you've mentioned I am using Contrast Enhancer when viewing HDR as it increases brightness and gives it a contrasty look which I got used to and quite like too. HDR is too dark out of the box you need to adjust brightness in the player, not sure how to do that in Roku.

HDR and 10 bit color go hand in hand to achieve a good looking UHD presentation.

For the best result you really want either the Panasonic or Philips player.

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Thinking about the 365 since the model is not being replaced. If I hope to keep this for some time to come would I be kicking myself because of the slower hdmi port? Thanks for feedback.
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Thinking about the 365 since the model is not being replaced. If I hope to keep this for some time to come would I be kicking myself because of the slower hdmi port? Thanks for feedback.
Well it depends on what you want to do with it? 4K gaming is fine, HDR 4K video is fine. The only limitation we will have is HDR gaming @60Hz.

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Thanks! So can I get 10bit color for a 4k movie with the HDR? I don't plan to game on the projector just movies including 3d.
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How come on sonys website the VPLVW365ES says it will only display 1080p when using a computer through hdmi i have 2 gtx 980ti it is capable of 4k gaming s why would i only get 1080p i do not want to spend 10000 on a projector that i cant 4k game with it sees wrong
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How come on sonys website the VPLVW365ES says it will only display 1080p when using a computer through hdmi i have 2 gtx 980ti it is capable of 4k gaming s why would i only get 1080p i do not want to spend 10000 on a projector that i cant 4k game with it sees wrong
Don't worry about that. I used to game on it in full 4K. I was wondering myself what was that about.

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I do a lot of gaming and watch a lot of movies do you guys think that the Sony VPL-VW365ES will be ok for 4k gaming and if i spend 12000 on this thing what kind of screen should i get ??
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I do a lot of gaming and watch a lot of movies do you guys think that the Sony VPL-VW365ES will be ok for 4k gaming and if i spend 12000 on this thing what kind of screen should i get ??
For those reasons I dumped mine and got an LS10000, it's much better suited for those purposes. Sorry I didn't mean to disturb the force in this thread

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Question for anyone that has used a Sony VW365ES with gaming consoles. Was anyone able to get HDR enabled using an xbox one S or PS4 Pro? I hear that it should not work with 4K/60hz/HDR; however, can you set your system to output at 1080p to get an HDR signal? Also, will the xbox one S play 4k movies with HDR? Thanks for the help.
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I'm not a gamer so haven't tried any 4K60p HDR games at all when I had the 365, but I do know that 4K24p HDR movies work and play just fine.
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It won't support HDR gaming in 60fps 4K however theoretically it should work in 1080p..

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It won't support HDR gaming in 60fps 4K however theoretically it should work in 1080p..
Thanks. Do you know if the 675 has this same limitation, or is it just the 365/665?

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Thanks. Do you know of the 675 has this same limitation, or is it just the 365/665?
I believe the 675 can do 4:2:0 4K at 60fps despite it's limited 10Gpbps chipset.

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I believe the 675 can do 4:2:0 4K at 60fps despite it's limited 10Gpbps chipset.

Yes at 10 bit, while the 365 and 665 can do it at 8bit.

The 675 isn't limited to 10Gbps. We established in another thread, I believe the 675 one, that it was showing content that's known to have almost 12Gbps. My belief is that it has the 18Gbps chip but is limited due to other hardware and/or firmware.

I got an email from a high up Sony manager that said it supports 12bit for HLG when the firmware for it drops. I asked for clarification but never got a follow on response. Maybe he said something he shouldn't have?

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Haha!

I keep forgetting to check or don't have time. Are there any manufacturers that make anything between a 10 and an 18Gbps chip? Someone else asked before and I never saw an answer. I'm very curious but forgot to look again. I'll have to make it a point to, unless anyone knows?
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I keep forgetting to check or don't have time. Are there any manufacturers that make anything between a 10 and an 18Gbps chip? Someone else asked before and I never saw an answer. I'm very curious but forgot to look again. I'll have to make it a point to, unless anyone knows?
Don't think so and don't see the point to be honest and the Sony s should really be 18gbps for the $$$.
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100% agree! This is more out of curiosity at this point really.
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Buyers Remorse

1. Is there an official VW365ES thread here? (I cannot find, but I believe we may have "cheap section seats" with this projector. (which is unbelievable at $10k)

I just took the plunge upgrading from and old black pearl, and while the pic is better, I am at a complete loss with Sony's quality and commitment to the point of having buyers remorse. I am with most in this thread. Bought as a multipurpose for gaming and movies.

2. Both XBox One S and PS4 Pro read HDR > Incompatible. I forced HDR in the proj menu and both consoles still reported Incompatible and the pic was horrible. Everything was way over saturated. Anyone experience the same and can share some settings update to correct or their experience?

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3. I was starting to look into a possible "cable issue" when I also stumbled across the 10gb "chip limit" statement. I have a 35' Monster that was on my old black pearl. Of course worked fine. It has the cable for life I am about to call on, but it is rated at 10gb+ already. So I am assuming that may or may not be an issue now? Its in wall, so I am REALLY dreading pulling it out, and of course you know they are going to make me jump through all kinds of hoops. Anyone have any experiences to share with Monster or that cable impact possibly contributing to the HDR > incompatible?

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VW365ES owners out there?

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1. Is there an official VW365ES thread here? (I cannot find, but I believe we may have "cheap section seats" with this projector. (which is unbelievable at $10k)



I just took the plunge upgrading from and old black pearl, and while the pic is better, I am at a complete loss with Sony's quality and commitment to the point of having buyers remorse. I am with most in this thread. Bought as a multipurpose for gaming and movies.



2. Both XBox One S and PS4 Pro read HDR > Incompatible. I forced HDR in the proj menu and both consoles still reported Incompatible and the pic was horrible. Everything was way over saturated. Anyone experience the same and can share some settings update to correct or their experience?

Agreed, a 10.2 Gbps chip is ridiculous in a 4K $10K projector! It should still be workable though in today's environment.

It looks way over saturated because you forced HDR on a non-HDR signal.

Make sure to set your Xbox to 4K 10 bit iirc. What are you trying to play on it, UHD movies or games? Movies should be able to play at 4K24p HDR WCG 4:2:2 10 bit since it's under the 10.2 Gbps limit. It's been awhile since I've had our Xbox 1S in our theater so don't feel confident replying on that.

I just read some comments by member @ConnecTEDDD over on an Xbox 1S thread talking about all the different modes it can output for various sources. I think it's from back in Feb. I'll see if I can find the link.

I think this is really more about the implementation in the Xbox than the 365, at least for UHD movies anyway. If you used a dedicated UHD Bluray player you wouldn't have issues connecting and playing HDR with those. The 60p limitation on games is real though and I think only an HDFury device can assist with that. You *may* be able to force the xbox1s into 4K60p 8 bit mode which the 365 should be able to accept.

First thing I would try though is to take your Xbox and connect it directly to the 365 with a short, known high speed HDMI cable to eliminate the possibility that it could be your in wall MonsterCable HDMI.

Also, be 100% sure you're connected to the proper HDMI input (#2) that offers HDCP 2.2/HDR compatibility.

P.S. - here's the link:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post50740945

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I am playing catch up on the 4:4:4 / 4:2:0 stuff now as I dont see those setting specificly on the 365. (which is why I was asking for that thread) ;] I haven't found much in the HDR sections so far. But im still reading.

So I did end up calling Monster, and I am told its not the cable. (for what thats worth calling a call center) ;] Ill probably play dial a rep again to see if I get same answer.

I dont think its the XBox One S specific either, because my PS4 Pro also wont pickup HDR. (and yes both connected directly to 2.2 port to test.) (and all 3 have latest firmware and updates.) I havent tried any viewing sources per say, just the setup / status screen on both consoles. This is through the PS4 setup / status page & and XBox One S. I did sort of double check with a PS4 title Horizon Zero Dawn that has a HDR setting in the game and it also reported not supported.

Another notable weird anomaly is that on the PS4 Pro it reads HDCP 1.4. Which is also weird because as I am whiddling this down, it said the same going through my non 2.2 AVR but that also had the error saying I couldnt go 4k. Hence I connected directly. Also part of that process was the afore mentioned force of HDR to see if that would cause the PS4 to recognize. It did not and looked horrible, so went back to Auto.

My next step thought process is disconnecting the PS VR pass through box. (no idea its HDCP compliance or if you are aware how that kermudgle works) (just eliminating things) Although I suspect that should not be it because again the XBox reports the same.

So I am sort of stuck if my assumptions validations finish panning out the way I expect. Do you know of any service menus that might help reveal anything? Going to look and see if there is a signalling status in the menu too. (thought I saw one, but dont recall what it reported.

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