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This is why I'm waiting to see the specs of the new JVCs that are rumoured to be released soon. Once we know the specs then it will be a question of seeing if they are better for gaming, and if they are, then choosing whether to wait until they are released.



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Where did you hear this? Other than the ultra expensive laser 4k projector from jvc i don't think you will see anything new until late next year.

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Where did you hear this? Other than the ultra expensive laser 4k projector from jvc i don't think you will see anything new until late next year.
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Very interesting @PioManiac
What I find interesting is that an article has been written, that will obviously generate a large number of hits, that is 100% information-free. They've literally provided NO information of any kind on the mid-year refresh models. Other than that they are planned for Spring.

"...do not expect great innovations with this new generation. However, one can assume that management will be improved HDR benefiting from the experience gained in different firmware updates."

Geez. One can assume anything one likes. Great grist for the rumor mill, I suppose, for those who enjoy whiling away their time in idle speculation.
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Sorry for not researching the 3300 post to get an answer to this.

A friend of mine has a RS 400 and we got talking about the Samsung 4K player versus the other 4K players that are available.

On a strictly picture quality basis, is the Samsung 4K player as good as it gets for the RS 400? There may be features on other players that matter on other displays but on the RS 400, I'm thinking why buy a more expensive player when it won't matter on this projector.
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Sorry for not researching the 3300 post to get an answer to this.

A friend of mine has a RS 400 and we got talking about the Samsung 4K player versus the other 4K players that are available.

On a strictly picture quality basis, is the Samsung 4K player as good as it gets for the RS 400? There may be features on other players that matter on other displays but on the RS 400, I'm thinking why buy a more expensive player when it won't matter on this projector.
Most prefer the panasonic, in fact many of the current panasonic owners owned the samsung, but sold them after trying the panasonic.
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Most prefer the panasonic, in fact many of the current panasonic owners owned the samsung, but sold them after trying the panasonic.
Thanks....that's the kind of answer I was looking for.

Was there a specific area where they felt the Panasonic outperformed the Samsung?
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Thanks....that's the kind of answer I was looking for.

Was there a specific area where they felt the Panasonic outperformed the Samsung?
Most are using hdfury integral to send edid to player tricking it to play uhd 4k HDR as SDR/bt2020 so getting the WCG but keeping the DI, low lamp and great blacks. The panny does a superb job of mapping the sdr bt2020 and the samsung did a poor job of this. Most complained of blown out reds that gave the sunburn effect to faces and such.

If just wanting to play 4k/hdr then I am not sure there is a huge difference. Most of us dont like losing the DI and having to run high lamp for HDR, hence the move to the panny.
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Most are using hdfury integral to send edid to player tricking it to play uhd 4k HDR as SDR/bt2020 so getting the WCG but keeping the DI, low lamp and great blacks. The panny does a superb job of mapping the sdr bt2020 and the samsung did a poor job of this. Most complained of blown out reds that gave the sunburn effect to faces and such.

If just wanting to play 4k/hdr then I am not sure there is a huge difference. Most of us dont like losing the DI and having to run high lamp for HDR, hence the move to the panny.
so in order to keep the DI and low lamp you need the HD FURY and the Panny together ? any word on the upcoming Oppo?
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so in order to keep the DI and low lamp you need the HD FURY and the Panny together ? any word on the upcoming Oppo?
The DI does not function in HDR and most that watch uhd 4k in HDR need the pj to be in in high lamp mode with manual iris full open or pretty close. HDR requires more lumens otherwise it is just to dark. Because of this most prefer SDR BT2020 WCG when watching 4k discs. With all the current 4k players you can only get this combination with the hdfury. Oppo is releasing their lower end 4k player by end of year and at release it also will require the hdfury, but at some point is supposed to gain the ability to provide this combo without the need of the hdfury. Most here have indicated a big preference for the picture quality of the panasonic when doing this conversion, but you can do it with the other players.

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Does DI mean dynamic iris or does it mean something else?

Has the Samsung player had any firmware updates to correct the issue previously mentioned?

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Does DI mean dynamic iris or does it mean something else?
Yes they are referring to the iris. For HDR, you need as much light out of the pj as possible so users are having to disable the iris and running the lamp on high to get an acceptable 4k HDR image out of the pj.
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Does DI mean dynamic iris or does it mean something else?

Has the Samsung player had any firmware updates to correct the issue previously mentioned?
Yes DI is dynamic iris. The samsung has had a few updates that have helped it with tegards to 4k hdr and hdmi issues, but i dont expect the playback of sdr wcg (bt2020) to be something they will try to fix. The player wasn't made with this playback in mind.

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Yes they are referring to the iris. For HDR, you need as much light out of the pj as possible...
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...so users are having to disable the iris and running the lamp on high to get an acceptable 4k HDR image out of the pj.
Just to be clear, it's not the user that is disabling the DI. The JVC is doing that itself, and it's not overridable. You don't get a choice.
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Yes DI is dynamic iris. The samsung has had a few updates that have helped it with tegards to 4k hdr and hdmi issues, but i dont expect the playback of sdr wcg (bt2020) to be something they will try to fix. The player wasn't made with this playback in mind.
questions : does the HD Fury strip the HDCP ? where in the video chain do you put the Fury if using a preamp or receiver that does not have HDCP 2.2 ?
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questions : does the HD Fury strip the HDCP ? where in the video chain do you put the Fury if using a preamp or receiver that does not have HDCP 2.2 ?
It doesn't strip out anything, but does change the edid info that is being sent for the handshake to one of the many custom edids available in the hdfury gui.

If you want to run the bideo through your processor you would put it before. Because both the samsung and panasonic (not sure about the others) have 2 hdmi outs with one being only audio many just run the hdmi video to hdfury and then to jvc, bypassing video in the processor and using the audio only hdmi to the processor for audio only.

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It doesn't strip out anything, but does change the edid info that is being sent for the handshake to one of the many custom edids available in the hdfury gui.

If you want to run the bideo through your processor you would put it before. Because both the samsung and panasonic (not sure about the others) have 2 hdmi outs with one being only audio many just run the hdmi video to hdfury and then to jvc, bypassing video in the processor and using the audio only hdmi to the processor for audio only.
makes sense ! thanks
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Has anyone used this projector for gaming? Is the input lag really that bad?
recently discussed here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...-6040-a-4.html

Some say the 130ms lag makes all gaming impossible,
Others claim there's no lag difference at all. Both claims are ridiculous extremes.

The truth is likely somewhere in between.

130ms is somewhere between 2-3 tenths of a second,
I don't find it enough to disrupt offline campaign play or adventure/platform games.

If you're a competitive FPS COD type gamer who plays multiplayer on-line,
You may find the lag more of an issue, if you're a quick scoper you will see your K/D ratio drop.

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recently discussed here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...-6040-a-4.html

Some say the 130ms lag makes all gaming impossible,
Others claim there's no lag difference at all. Both claims are ridiculous extremes.

The truth is likely somewhere in between.

130ms is somewhere between 2-3 tenths of a second,
I don't find it enough to disrupt offline campaign play or adventure/platform games.

If you're a competitive FPS COD type gamer who plays multiplayer on-line,
You may find the lag more of an issue, if you're a quick scoper you will see your K/D ratio drop.

The only way to know for sure is to try it for yourself.
Thanks for the reply. I love this projector, but I am a bit concerned about the gaming aspect. I play a bunch of MP(Halo, GOW, Titanfall), but also RTS.
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Thanks for the reply. I love this projector, but I am a bit concerned about the gaming aspect. I play a bunch of MP(Halo, GOW, Titanfall), but also RTS.
I find gaming to be impossible. The delay simply is too great and can get very frustrating. I wonder if they could ever attempt a "game" mode in firmware

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I find gaming to be impossible. The delay simply is too great and can get very frustrating. I wonder if they could ever attempt a "game" mode in firmware

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Thanks, this is very helpful. It's unfortunate there is so much input lag and no game mode.
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I find gaming to be impossible. The delay simply is too great and can get very frustrating. I wonder if they could ever attempt a "game" mode in firmware

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I play a lot of fighting games and classic 2D games where anything more than one frame of display lag isn't acceptable. For the games I play this projector isn't a viable option. That's just regarding offline, I wouldn't even bother playing online as that will just compound the woes even more. I also own a Vizio P75-c1 and it has a rated 18ms of lag in SDR and 60ms in HDR mode currently. It's a significant difference and this PJ is far higher with over 118ms!!!

Don't get me wrong, I love this projector for movies. It's simply great PQ for the money. If you really need gaming on a huge screen, I'd advise a different projector or buying a cheap 1080p Epson 2040 for $650(I used to own one). I have a few friends who have two projectors mounted in the same room, just one above the other.
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130ms is somewhere between 2-3 tenths of a second,
Actually, that's exactly 1.3 tenths of a second. Or about 1/8 of a second. 2-3 tenths would be 200-300 ms.
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Actually, that's exactly 1.3 tenths of a second. Or about 1/8 of a second. 2-3 tenths would be 200-300 ms.
LOL! Awesome!

yet some people are willing to state 1/8 of a second makes gaming "impossible"

...right

Perhaps we need a new definition of the word "impossible"
Because I have played a dozen different games without major issues.

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yet some people are willing to state 1/8 of a second makes gaming "impossible"



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Perhaps we need a new definition of the word "impossible"

Because I have played a dozen different games without major issues.


It all depends on what your are used to playing on that will determine if you feel a difference or not. I PC game on a low, under 5ms gaming monitor, so if I load a game up on my secondary monitor, which has about 30ms input lag, I can very noticeably feel the difference. I would go as far as saying that fast paced, twitch games are unplayable on the 30ms because my brain has become so accustomed to the lower lag.


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The only time where I noticed anything in regards to lag was playing Starwars Battlefront, and even then it wasn't that bad. Turn off some of the image enhancement and while there was still some lag it was doable. Single player games and multiplayer sports games I've never had any problem.

If you're into competitive gaming then you're not going to be playing on this projector. If you're more like me and just play here and there, this projector is sufficient to get the job done.
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I wanted to confirm that the warranty on the JVC is 2 years, as it is surprisingly difficult to confirm on their website. I've had my projector throw error codes three times since March and I'm trying not to overreact on it. I just want to make sure that I'm not walking towards any warranty deadlines here.

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I wanted to confirm that the warranty on the JVC is 2 years, as it is surprisingly difficult to confirm on their website
Did you look at the product page for the RS400 on their website? The warranty period is listed there fairly easy to see and find:

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