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No A-lens.

Screen is 138" 2.35 ratio, throw is about 15.5 feet. I notice this when zoomed on widescreen scope images. I haven't checked whether or not I really see a difference on regular 16:9 content. I can check that tonight.
I assume 138" diagonal. Height wise, where is the projector mounted, in relation to the image? Also confirm that you do not have the pincushion setting on or using any keystone. Have you pulled a string along the bottom screen frame rail, at the back to see if there is a gap in the middle?
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could someone do me a solid and link me to recommended settings for HDR on the JVC X5000B - I know there's the JVC page itself but thought there would be something a bit more funky.

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I assume 138" diagonal. Height wise, where is the projector mounted, in relation to the image? Also confirm that you do not have the pincushion setting on or using any keystone. Have you pulled a string along the bottom screen frame rail, at the back to see if there is a gap in the middle?
The screen is mounted 12" from the ceiling. I have the purchased the Chief mount through AVS with the CMA101 designer plate attached to the ceiling with a 3" fixed extension.

I know there is no keystone correction set, but I'm not sure about pincushion. I don't remember seeing that in the menu system.

Can you be more specific about pulling a string along the frame rail? I've not heard of that before. This is my first projector.
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The screen is mounted 12" from the ceiling. I have the purchased the Chief mount through AVS with the CMA101 designer plate attached to the ceiling with a 3" fixed extension.

I know there is no keystone correction set, but I'm not sure about pincushion. I don't remember seeing that in the menu system.

Can you be more specific about pulling a string along the frame rail? I've not heard of that before. This is my first projector.
Just want to make sure there is no warp in the screen frame. Get a second person and hold a string along the bottom rail of the frame. Do it on the back side and see if there is a gap between the string and the frame. Gap would be roughly in the middle. I am not expecting it to be warped, much if any, but need to eliminate the possibilities.
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What size and aspect screen?
What screen fabric are you using?
What throw are you using?
Normal or high lamp?
What manual iris setting?

I am trying to determine, just how bright you are running your image. Also what does it look like from your viewing distance? Streaking is a common problem and most all of them have this to some degree, but the amount does vary. Problem appears worse if you run the image real bright.
i have noticed this on some occasions, its normal and not a issue with regular content
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Is anyone here running this PJ with a Scope screen ? I just set one up today and was wondering what you used as a guide to get the image to 2:35. A particular movie ? Something else ? Most movies I see have a 2:39 or 2:40 ratio. Also, did you use Anamorphic A or B ? Sorry, I'm new to these types of screens

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Is anyone here running this PJ with a Scope screen ? I just set one up today and was wondering what you used as a guide to get the image to 2:35. A particular movie ? Something else ? Most movies I see have a 2:39 or 2:40 ratio. Also, did you use Anamorphic A or B ? Sorry, I'm new to these types of screens
I had a 420 with a 2.35:1 screen.

Unless you are using an anamorphic lens you don't use those modes.

You would simply zoom the lens and setup a lens memory for each aspect ratio. I say each but realistically I used two. One for 16:9 (and technically 1.85:1 movies) and another for 2.35/2.39/2.40. I set it up so the picture always filled my screen (so you lose a bit of the image edges with some aspect ratios but it's no big deal...my black velvet screen frame absorbed the excess).

When showing widescreen movies the letterboxes will be displayed above and below the screen. So you'll have to figure out some way to absorb that if your screen wall isn't treated.
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I had a 420 with a 2.35:1 screen.

Unless you are using an anamorphic lens you don't use those modes.

You would simply zoom the lens and setup a lens memory for each aspect ratio. I say each but realistically I used two. One for 16:9 (and technically 1.85:1 movies) and another for 2.35/2.39/2.40. I set it up so the picture always filled my screen (so you lose a bit of the image edges with some aspect ratios but it's no big deal...my black velvet screen frame absorbed the excess).

When showing widescreen movies the letterboxes will be displayed above and below the screen. So you'll have to figure out some way to absorb that if your screen wall isn't treated.
Ah that makes sense thank you very much for the explanation! I just set up with the shift and zoom. One question though...the mask feature, I have spill at the bottom and top so the mask menu when you select it goes to the bottom off screen, but even when I select bottom, no matter how high I bring the number, it doesn't seem to hide it. How does that mask feature work exactly ?

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Ah that makes sense thank you very much for the explanation! I just set up with the shift and zoom. One question though...the mask feature, I have spill at the bottom and top so the mask menu when you select it goes to the bottom off screen, but even when I select bottom, no matter how high I bring the number, it doesn't seem to hide it. How does that mask feature work exactly ?
Well...

Even the 420 doesn't have a low enough black level that you won't see the glow of it 'displaying black' when the overall scene you are watching is dim (due to how your eyes react to the reduced brightness). So the masking feature doesn't work because even the mask isn't a total absence of projected light.

Here is when you would use the mask function:

You zoom to watch a 2.35 movie like Tron Legacy or The Dark Knight that changes aspect ratios on the fly.

When they aspect ratio changes in the IMAX scenes you would see image area (instead of letter boxes) above and below the screen. This is undesirable.

But if you engage the mask feature it will crop the image and cut off the portion above and below the screen. Usually there will be nothing important in this portion of the image.

Does this make sense?

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Well...

Even the 420 doesn't have a low enough black level that you won't see the glow of it 'displaying black' when the overall scene you are watching is dim (due to how your eyes react to the reduced brightness). So the masking feature doesn't work because even the mask isn't a total absence of projected light.

Here is when you would use the mask function:

You zoom to watch a 2.35 movie like Tron Legacy or The Dark Knight that changes aspect ratios on the fly.

When they aspect ratio changes in the IMAX scenes you would see image area (instead of letter boxes) above and below the screen. This is undesirable.

But if you engage the mask feature it will crop the image and cut off the portion above and below the screen. Usually there will be nothing important in this portion of the image.

Does this make sense?

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Makes perfect sense! Thank you very much for all the info my good man I guess I'll have to live with the menus appearing on my lower wall at times instead of the screen
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Makes perfect sense! Thank you very much for all the info my good man I guess I'll have to live with the menus appearing on my lower wall at times instead of the screen
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Quick questions:
Does the hide button on the remote turn off the lamp?
Because when I watch couple of episodes of a show in a row, I take a 15min break between each episode to go smoke outside.

Is it better to completely turn off the projector or can I use the hide button to save lamp life?
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Quick questions:
Does the hide button on the remote turn off the lamp?
Because when I watch couple of episodes of a show in a row, I take a 15min break between each episode to go smoke outside.

Is it better to completely turn off the projector or can I use the hide button to save lamp life?
I would leave it on for a 15 minute break.

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Quick questions:
Does the hide button on the remote turn off the lamp?
Because when I watch couple of episodes of a show in a row, I take a 15min break between each episode to go smoke outside.

Is it better to completely turn off the projector or can I use the hide button to save lamp life?
the hide button does not turn off the lamp... definitely keep it on for short breaks
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Thanks for the mention. Actually I do use custom HDR curves. At first I made them exclusively with the JVC software and now I do them with either that or Arve's tool.
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Quick questions:
Does the hide button on the remote turn off the lamp?
Because when I watch couple of episodes of a show in a row, I take a 15min break between each episode to go smoke outside.

Is it better to completely turn off the projector or can I use the hide button to save lamp life?
Hide button does not turn off lamp. Leave the projector on for the 15 minutes.
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Hello to everyone
I am curious if the lamps in the new X5000 or X5500 are as good or better than my previous X500.
Also if the audible noise from the fan are the same or better ( less ) than the X500.
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I am curious if the lamps in the new X5000 or X5500 are as good or better than my previous X500.
Also if the audible noise from the fan are the same or better ( less ) than the X500.
Thanks
That lamp was a good one. The current lamp is probably a little better. Fan noise is very similar, but may be slightly louder in high, because the projector is much brighter.
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Does the JVC RS400 have bad motion handling? Does it struggle with fast motion during sports like football? I want to use one for tv replacement and for movies.

Also is there a large gap in image quality between the RS400 and a Sony HW45ES?
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Does the JVC RS400 have bad motion handling? Does it struggle with fast motion during sports like football? I want to use one for tv replacement and for movies.

Also is there a large gap in image quality between the RS400 and a Sony HW45ES?
Does not have the motion handling of a DLP, but have 100's of customers that use the 400 football, with no complaints. For movies, pretty big difference between the two. Also 400 can play 4K movies.
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I've finally got time to play with my new PJ an Rs400 (my first one had to be replaced after 25 hours) so this one only has 8 hours on it. I was trying to do some simple system adjustments and I was surprised I got [email protected] 10 bit using an nvidia shield tv player. It is an a [email protected] HDR demo of some animals in costa rica. The image was fantastic. I also was trying to dial in an 4k uhd movie (Creed) and I was getting [email protected] bt.2020 4:4:4 and my Rs400 was showing [email protected] 12bit YUV. The image looked pretty good as well. I am using a ruipro HDMI fiber cable that I got off of Amazon. It specs are: 10m(33 feet) [email protected] Chroma Subsampling 4:4:4/4:2:2/4:2:0. 10 bit color depth. 18.2 Gbps Bandwidth. It seems to deliver on those specs. Here a couple of photos (shot with my cell phone) the first one is the Nvidia Shield Tv player the second one my Philips 4k player.
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I've finally got time to play with my new PJ an Rs400 (my first one had to be replaced after 25 hours) so this one only has 8 hours on it. I was trying to do some simple system adjustments and I was surprised I got [email protected] 10 bit using an nvidia shield tv player. It is an a [email protected] HDR demo of some animals in costa rica. The image was fantastic. I also was trying to dial in an 4k uhd movie (Creed) and I was getting [email protected] bt.2020 4:4:4 and my Rs400 was showing [email protected] 12bit YUV. The image looked pretty good as well. I am using a ruipro HDMI fiber cable that I got off of Amazon. It specs are: 10m(33 feet) [email protected] Chroma Subsampling 4:4:4/4:2:2/4:2:0. 10 bit color depth. 18.2 Gbps Bandwidth. It seems to deliver on those specs. Here a couple of photos (shot with my cell phone) the first one is the Nvidia Shield Tv player the second one my Philips 4k player.
That 4K HDR lizard shot is fantastic looking !
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That 4K HDR lizard shot is fantastic looking !
Thanks Craig, I did not pause the player in either picture but thankfully, as lizards do, it froze for a few seconds in the movie when I snapped the pic. The second picture I wasn't quite so lucky but Creed looked really good compared to the blu-ray version. Still working on tuning the PJ. BTW, there are some stunning 4k HDR demos on youtube, esp. played on the nvidia shield.
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Hide button does not turn off lamp. Leave the projector on for the 15 minutes.
So just to be sure.
there's no problem at letting my projector on for 6 hours in a row ( rainy day ) ?
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So just to be sure.
there's no problem at letting my projector on for 6 hours in a row ( rainy day ) ?
No problem, as long as you have it set up correctly, for cooling and do not have it in an area that heats up excessively. As in projector in a soffit with not enough cooling. Back of projector, too close to a wall. Projector close to the ceiling in a room that gets real hot around the ceiling. The last one would probably be more of a problem during heating season, if you do not have a means to control the temperature in the HT room alone.
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I've been researching X5000/X5500 recently and spotted a demo X5000 unit for sale today, so I'd like to confirm some questions about X5000 since I have the make the purchase decision quickly.

I've understood that it's possible to setup and use a custom gamma curve for HDR, but that it has to be manually selected since JVC always switches to Gamma D, right?

X5000 apparently switches to high lamp mode with HDR, is it possible to change that it would stay on low lamp mode?

I suppose my goal would be to run JVC in HDR with wide gamut but the gamma and brightness looking similar to SDR. Mostly for cases if I have a source where I can't get wide gamut without HDR. So is it possible to tweak out black crush / too dim image that have been the complaints with default HDR mode?
At least streaming sources seem likely to have this limitation.

I can live with the higher lag and some inconvenience of manually switching things with HDR, but I wouldn't want to compromise too much on other things.

And a bonus question: The advertised lamp life is 4000h, have you reached this or does the lamp get too dim or start flickering well before you reach that?
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I've been researching X5000/X5500 recently and spotted a demo X5000 unit for sale today, so I'd like to confirm some questions about X5000 since I have the make the purchase decision quickly.

I've understood that it's possible to setup and use a custom gamma curve for HDR, but that it has to be manually selected since JVC always switches to Gamma D, right?

Yes unless you buy an HD Fury Linker to stop it doing so. $200. And get your dynamic Iris back in HDR.

X5000 apparently switches to high lamp mode with HDR, is it possible to change that it would stay on low lamp mode?

No it does not, you can use either lamp mode.


I suppose my goal would be to run JVC in HDR with wide gamut but the gamma and brightness looking similar to SDR. Mostly for cases if I have a source where I can't get wide gamut without HDR. So is it possible to tweak out black crush / too dim image that have been the complaints with default HDR mode?
At least streaming sources seem likely to have this limitation.

If you use custom HDR Gamma curves, yes absolutely, it looks very very natural.


I can live with the higher lag and some inconvenience of manually switching things with HDR, but I wouldn't want to compromise too much on other things.

And a bonus question: The advertised lamp life is 4000h, have you reached this or does the lamp get too dim or start flickering well before you reach that?
The questions I can answer are in bold above.
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Thanks for the response Javs. I decided to buy the demo X5000, this thing is really bright compared to my old HD1.

I didn't manage to adjust the colors properly yet, all of the default settings look somehow weird to me, but I'll get a Spyder5Express tomorrow and dive into calibration. At least I can start "easy" and do only the traditional Rec.709 as I don't have any UHD/HDR sources yet.
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Thanks for the response Javs. I decided to buy the demo X5000, this thing is really bright compared to my old HD1.

I didn't manage to adjust the colors properly yet, all of the default settings look somehow weird to me, but I'll get a Spyder5Express tomorrow and dive into calibration. At least I can start "easy" and do only the traditional Rec.709 as I don't have any UHD/HDR sources yet.
Apparently Express sensor should work with Autocal even if JVC officially says only Pro/Elite are supported.
I have the same meter, it does indeed work.

Firs thing, go into MPC, and drag all sliders to zero, leave Enhance on 2.

Try Clear Black on Low.

See how you go with that, its a more natural image, yet still nice and sharp. Less processed.

As for the colours, try the Standard colour profile, or Reference, see which you prefer.

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I have the same meter, it does indeed work.

Firs thing, go into MPC, and drag all sliders to zero, leave Enhance on 2.

Try Clear Black on Low.

See how you go with that, its a more natural image, yet still nice and sharp. Less processed.

As for the colours, try the Standard colour profile, or Reference, see which you prefer.
Bad choice of words on my part, by default settings I meant only the colors (didn't adjust the RGB sliders). I did already turn off all the processing and set iris to manual, the defaults looked way too artificial to my taste.
I'll try out Clear Black and mild Enhance to see if I like those.

I ended up using Cinema with Standard (there was no Reference, might be only the higher models?) color profile with 6500k and Custom gamma set to 2.4 (if I remember correctly), but on first glance this looked way too blue/cold on many tones, I did expect something more natural even without calibration. That said, partial explanation could be that I'm used to too warm colors since I don't have calibrated displays. We'll see soon enough if my eyes were lying or not

The projector seems to also have an old firmware, I probably should update that before doing any calibrations. I have USB-Serial converter that I used to control the HD1 without any hiccups, so hopefully that is safe enough for the upgrade as well.
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