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I didn't manage to adjust the colors properly yet, all of the default settings look somehow weird to me, but I'll get a Spyder5Express tomorrow and dive into calibration.
It is crucial to run first autocal on the JVC X550/X5000. Most of these (if not all) show quite heavy gamma drift. Particularly when the actual production date is several months back. Because the Spyder is inaccurate for colours, it is IMO better to only autocal the gamma (and not the colours). Once this is done colour temperature should be improved as well.
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Hey - I just bought a used DLA-RS400U projector and was told it had less than 200 hours on it, when I looked at the lamp timer, it showed about 8 hours. Is there a way to verify if the seller reset the lamp hours before selling it to me?

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Greetings. Some of you may recall or have seen my posts on other threads and perhaps this one as well. I've read hundreds and hundreds of posts and really trying to get the best possible picture for 4K HDR content with the JVC DLA X550R and my Oppo 203 & PS4 Pro. I've had my calibrator out 3 times (2 1/2 hrs last night alone) and we are still scratching our heads. We get it looking pretty good for one movie like Trolls in 4K HDR with contrast at like 50, then go to Deadpool in 4K HDR and it looks like crap. Recently replaced my HDMI Cable with Celerity Fiber Optic HDMI (which is working spectacular over the audioquest Pearl from before). Uploaded the BT2020 color profile using the JVC calibration software. We have a custom 1 gamma profile and either the colors are really washed out and zero pop with it or too dark with the Gamma D but nice pop.

Can someone point me on the right track and step by step to get 4K HDR content looking as best as it can be on this projector (realizing it won't match a native or OLED display)? I've looked through countless threads and it's just mind boggling but awesome info. I've read all the Arche's tool, custom gamma curves, Manni's HDR curves, etc and just don't know where to begin. Should it be this complex?! I've reached out to Chad B as well. I'm trying to hang in there and not throw in the towel with the Oppo 203 UHD player. Roku 4 Ultra with YouTube 4K videos look absolutely out of this world as to 1080P blu ray movies. I want the same for my 25 4K HDR UHD movies!

Thanks for any insight/instruction anyone can provide!
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UHD Disc authoring is all over the place, some look great, others...not so much.
Btw, most folks are using a Linker/ HDFURY on PJs because Gamma D blows, and it shuts down the Iris, so they run SDR/BT2020 for wider color gamut. Look in the RS5/600 Thread or the calibration thread, as this is discussed EVERY Day.
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Has anyone upgraded from the X5000 to the X5500?
My current projector is the older X35 (non 4K)
I'm sure an upgrade to the X5000 would be huge but should I spend the extra cash to get the X5500?
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Has anyone upgraded from the X5000 to the X5500?
My current projector is the older X35 (non 4K)
I'm sure an upgrade to the X5000 would be huge but should I spend the extra cash to get the X5500?
If you are not a gamer and are willing to download custom curves, I would go with last years model.
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UHD Disc authoring is all over the place, some look great, others...not so much.
Btw, most folks are using a Linker/ HDFURY on PJs because Gamma D blows, and it shuts down the Iris, so they run SDR/BT2020 for wider color gamut. Look in the RS5/600 Thread or the calibration thread, as this is discussed EVERY Day.
Most are not running SDR + 2020 any longer on their JVCs. You're much better off using HDR with a custom gamma curve on the RS400/500/600 for UHD BD. People have been doing this for months now. You can get very good HDR this way. In that case, the Linker would not be necessary unless you want the auto iris to shut down all of the way.
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Most are not running SDR + 2020 any longer on their JVCs. You're much better off using HDR with a custom gamma curve on the RS400/500/600 for UHD BD. People have been doing this for months now. You can get very good HDR this way. In that case, the Linker would not be necessary unless you want the auto iris to shut down all of the way.
Or this, of course....
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Has anyone upgraded from the X5000 to the X5500?
My current projector is the older X35 (non 4K)
I'm sure an upgrade to the X5000 would be huge but should I spend the extra cash to get the X5500?
I went from an X35 to a RS400. The RS400 is brighter and the pixels are closer together. Even for 1080 content, there is a big boost in PQ. I didn't really see any compelling reason to upgrade again. The biggest complaint I have is the incredibly long (15+ seconds) handshake time for some content, primarily UHD. Its awful. The newer model didn't fix it or I would have upgraded right away. I'd still do the upgrade again. I've learned to pause the movie to allow time for the handshake. It's annoying, but the PQ is worth the wait.
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Most are not running SDR + 2020 any longer on their JVCs. You're much better off using HDR with a custom gamma curve on the RS400/500/600 for UHD BD. People have been doing this for months now. You can get very good HDR this way. In that case, the Linker would not be necessary unless you want the auto iris to shut down all of the way.
I see mentions of a custom gamma curve a lot. How does one go about getting a custom gamma curve? Is it a universal curve for the RS400/DLA X550R? Is it based on specific parameters? Can someone point me in the right direction as to how to go about getting a custom gamma curve?

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I see mentions of a custom gamma curve a lot. How does one go about getting a custom gamma curve? Is it a universal curve for the RS400/DLA X550R? Is it based on specific parameters? Can someone point me in the right direction as to how to go about getting a custom gamma curve?
You can find all the info you need in these 3 posts:

Lovingdvd's "Speed Guide"

Manni's Autocal Summary

Wookii's PDF


That should give you everything you need to know in order to simply create a custom curve for your own projector and theater. This is preferable to using somebody else's, that may or may not be appropriate for your particular situation.

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Greetings. Some of you may recall or have seen my posts on other threads and perhaps this one as well. I've read hundreds and hundreds of posts and really trying to get the best possible picture for 4K HDR content with the JVC DLA X550R and my Oppo 203 & PS4 Pro. I've had my calibrator out 3 times (2 1/2 hrs last night alone) and we are still scratching our heads. We get it looking pretty good for one movie like Trolls in 4K HDR with contrast at like 50, then go to Deadpool in 4K HDR and it looks like crap. Recently replaced my HDMI Cable with Celerity Fiber Optic HDMI (which is working spectacular over the audioquest Pearl from before). Uploaded the BT2020 color profile using the JVC calibration software. We have a custom 1 gamma profile and either the colors are really washed out and zero pop with it or too dark with the Gamma D but nice pop.

Can someone point me on the right track and step by step to get 4K HDR content looking as best as it can be on this projector (realizing it won't match a native or OLED display)? I've looked through countless threads and it's just mind boggling but awesome info. I've read all the Arche's tool, custom gamma curves, Manni's HDR curves, etc and just don't know where to begin. Should it be this complex?! I've reached out to Chad B as well. I'm trying to hang in there and not throw in the towel with the Oppo 203 UHD player. Roku 4 Ultra with YouTube 4K videos look absolutely out of this world as to 1080P blu ray movies. I want the same for my 25 4K HDR UHD movies!

Thanks for any insight/instruction anyone can provide!
I'm not sure that your current custom 1 curve would ever look right for HDR because it is a normal power gamma curve, I'm not sure how it was customized but it would be difficult to shape the curve with JVC controls.

Why is your contrast set to 50? Isn't the default 0? That is way too high.

If you properly create and upload a custom HDR curve using Arve's software you will be able to leave your Brightness and Contrast settings to 0 in the projector and movies will look a lot better.
I like this link https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post51382465 to zombie10k's post for creating the curves.

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You can find all the info you need in these 3 posts:

Lovingdvd's "Speed Guide"

Manni's Autocal Summary

Wookii's PDF


That should give you everything you need to know in order to simply create a custom curve for your own projector and theater. This is preferable to using somebody else's, that may or may not be appropriate for your particular situation.
Thank you for the tips and links. We will see how things pan out.

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Tried to get things going tonight with Arve's tool for creating custom gamma curves and so far no go. Followed step by step with user guide and have downloaded the GitHub.comprojector tools and Python 3.6 and installed both. Double clicking on jvc_gamma.py'file doesn't open or do anything. In all my years have yet to come across something as frustrating as this whole HDR thing with the JVC. Have spent countless upon countless hours and nights and days reading and studying all threads pertaining to this. Why is it this complicated? Seriously ready to throw the towel in and return the Oppo 203 and just use my 105D for blurays. My calibrator (ISF level II certified and more) has reached out to numerous pro's in the community and to no avail. Just trying to enjoy the full capabilities of the gear I paid for but it truly shouldn't be this difficult nor this frustrating.

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Look in the JVC Calibration thread, lots of stuff in the 500/600 thread too IIRC.

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Tried to get things going tonight with Arve's tool for creating custom gamma curves and so far no go. Followed step by step with user guide and have downloaded the GitHub.comprojector tools and Python 3.6 and installed both. Double clicking on jvc_gamma.py'file doesn't open or do anything. In all my years have yet to come across something as frustrating as this whole HDR thing with the JVC. Have spent countless upon countless hours and nights and days reading and studying all threads pertaining to this. Why is it this complicated? Seriously ready to throw the towel in and return the Oppo 203 and just use my 105D for blurays. My calibrator (ISF level II certified and more) has reached out to numerous pro's in the community and to no avail. Just trying to enjoy the full capabilities of the gear I paid for but it truly shouldn't be this difficult nor this frustrating.
menu.py is the executable file you need to double-click to run the program. See the instructions Arve provides on his download page for the tool.

Yes, this is a bit 'bleeding edge' type stuff, with a steep learning curve. You might not want to hear this, but using a different Calibrator, like ChadB, who is quite familiar with this area, might be worth considering. Nothing against your current one, who might be excellent in non-HDR Projector areas, but it does seem like he doesn't have the necessary experience to properly address this.
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New firmware for DLA-X950R, X750R, X550R, X9000, X7000, X5000, XC7890R, XC6890R, XC5890R, RS600, RS500, RS400?

I saw that on the JVC site (http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/s...&feature_id=17) there is a new firmware (v 83.2.4). Do you have any news?
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New firmware for DLA-X950R, X750R, X550R, X9000, X7000, X5000, XC7890R, XC6890R, XC5890R, RS600, RS500, RS400?

I saw that on the JVC site (http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/s...&feature_id=17) there is a new firmware (v 83.2.4). Do you have any news?
This has been out for a while now.
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This has been out for a while now.
Sorry, I just saw it now.
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menu.py is the executable file you need to double-click to run the program. See the instructions Arve provides on his download page for the tool.

Yes, this is a bit 'bleeding edge' type stuff, with a steep learning curve. You might not want to hear this, but using a different Calibrator, like ChadB, who is quite familiar with this area, might be worth considering. Nothing against your current one, who might be excellent in non-HDR Projector areas, but it does seem like he doesn't have the necessary experience to properly address this.
Thanks as always for the replies and info. Oh I double clicked away to try to run the program and the gamma file just wouldn't open. I'm determined to see this through and at least reach my projector's full potential for HDR. I've reached out to a number of resources and my calibrator has reached out to other's to include Chad B who seems to be really well versed with this.

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As someone who hasn't been paying attention to the projector world: how big of an improvement is 4k + hdr on this unit? Intend to grab this one soon as my first ever PJ.
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As someone who hasn't been paying attention to the projector world: how big of an improvement is 4k + hdr on this unit? Intend to grab this one soon as my first ever PJ.
Pretty good improvement, but it is relative to what you are coming from? What are you currently using?
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Currently using an LG plasma from 2010ish, doesn't look too good. Obviously I want my next upgrade to take use of 4k so if this PJ does that adequately I think im gonna nab it.
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^^ I have zero reservations recommending this Projector. It's price point and performance truly can't be matched currently.
I've got a 2016 B6 OLED in our family room, sure it's slightly better, but the immersion of a huge screen filled by this Projector can't be beaten for movie watching.


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^^ I have zero reservations recommending this Projector. It's price point and performance truly can't be matched currently.
I've got a 2016 B6 OLED in our family room, sure it's slightly better, but the immersion of a huge screen filled by this Projector can't be beaten for movie watching.


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I also have a B6, and it's the champ of black. I've spent the last day and a half dialing in my new RS400, and it's looking great after a lot of back and forth and a couple of full movies! Craig had the custom gamma curves preinstalled, and they really make the difference for me so far. It looked wonderful playing "Passengers" in 4K HDR and it sailed through the darkness of "Underworld-Blood Wars" in 4K upscaled Bluray.

It's still early in the game for me on this projector, but I'm happy so far.
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I get my X5000 on Wednesday
Looking through the manual online, it seems difficult to upgrade the firmware
Do I need to upgrade?
What is new in the latest firmware?
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Forgot some info, sorry
It seems my computer doesn't have a RS-232 port
Is there any other way of updating the firmware?
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Forgot some info, sorry
It seems my computer doesn't have a RS-232 port
Is there any other way of updating the firmware?
You must use this adapter: https://www.amazon.it/dp/B0000VYJRY/...RY3OR7LE&psc=1 which is the only JVC tested (read http://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/d...00_uhd-dl.html)
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