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It's up to you. If you are happy with the exact way your player is right now then you could keep it. I have serious doubts about any future updates or support from Oppo.

The only other solution is a Panasonic UB900 and a HD Fury Vertex (this is what I have). There is a Panasonic coming this year with Tone Mapping but it's not known if the Vertex will still be required or not. One advantage this setup will have over the Oppo is it will remember the Gamma setting and you won't need to select it each time.
After much research I think I'd be better off returning the OPPO and picking up a Panasonic UB420 which should do tone mapping also

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This may not apply to you but one thing to consider is that the Panny will not have an HDMI input like the Oppo so you will not be able to tone map anything from an external source. That is if you are currently using the HDMI input.
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Hi guys. My X550 has been in storage while our house was being built. We're now moved in and I'm in the process of putting together my HT. I currently have a 110" 16:9 and am contemplating the move to a 2.35 screen. At a 15' throw and max 2.0 zoom, I'd get a 138" 2.35, which is the same height as my current screen thus would give me the same 16:9 size image I'm used to. Is anybody using theirs at max zoom with a similar throw with good picture brightness and no complaints? I'm sure I'll back it up a bit so I'm not at absolute max zoom but am curious as to what your throw distances and approx. zoom ranges are for a particular AR and diag screen size?

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Hi guys. My X550 has been in storage while our house was being built. We're now moved in and I'm in the process of putting together my HT. I currently have a 110" 16:9 and am contemplating the move to a 2.35 screen. At a 15' throw and max 2.0 zoom, I'd get a 138" 2.35, which is the same height as my current screen thus would give me the same 16:9 size image I'm used to. Is anybody using theirs at max zoom with a similar throw with good picture brightness and no complaints? I'm sure I'll back it up a bit so I'm not at absolute max zoom but am curious as to what your throw distances and approx. zoom ranges are for a particular AR and diag screen size?
You’ll have no problems with that. My screen is 136” and my throw is 18’ and the picture looks great. Nobody ever wished they had a smaller screen (except for a few bad curve HDR apologists).

As long as you’ve got your projector setup right, it will look great. Check out my JVC 4K QuickStart Guide for a quick refresher.
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Hi guys. My X550 has been in storage while our house was being built. We're now moved in and I'm in the process of putting together my HT. I currently have a 110" 16:9 and am contemplating the move to a 2.35 screen. At a 15' throw and max 2.0 zoom, I'd get a 138" 2.35, which is the same height as my current screen thus would give me the same 16:9 size image I'm used to. Is anybody using theirs at max zoom with a similar throw with good picture brightness and no complaints? I'm sure I'll back it up a bit so I'm not at absolute max zoom but am curious as to what your throw distances and approx. zoom ranges are for a particular AR and diag screen size?
I have a 14' throw to a 132" diagonal 16:9 screen which is probably close to what you are looking at. Looks like you would be right at the minimum which is where I am at and my brightness is great with an excellent picture. No complaints, you should be fine.
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With OPPO going out of business, would it be best to return the 203 and go for another option for this projector?
I am sure many are asking that same question.....An extended warranty is cheap, might want to add that in case you need parts one day, as I bet those are hard to get to.

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It's up to you. If you are happy with the exact way your player is right now then you could keep it. I have serious doubts about any future updates or support from Oppo.

The only other solution is a Panasonic UB900 and a HD Fury Vertex (this is what I have). There is a Panasonic coming this year with Tone Mapping but it's not known if the Vertex will still be required or not. One advantage this setup will have over the Oppo is it will remember the Gamma setting and you won't need to select it each time.
I would be concerned about the updates myself. Panasonic makes a great unit, that's for sure....
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Hello everyone. I have been out of the PJ game for awhile and am looking to pick one of these up. I am coming from an RS-2. Have there been any major issues from a reliability standpoint with this PJ? Any bulb issues etc?

My RS-2 has been rock solid and looking to get the same life out of this one if I go with it. Thank you!

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Hello everyone. I have been out of the PJ game for awhile and am looking to pick one of these up. I am coming from an RS-2. Have there been any major issues from a reliability standpoint with this PJ? Any bulb issues etc?
Unless the price difference is large, I would suggest a newer model (RS420 or RS440). It’s much easier watch HDR on the newer models.

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I have heard that HDR with the 400 is less than optimal but that JVC had instruction for the fix. Even with the fix, are the newer models a big step up?
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I have heard that HDR with the 400 is less than optimal but that JVC had instruction for the fix. Even with the fix, are the newer models a big step up?
There is no fix. JVC simply posted some settings that make Gamma D look less bad.
What they should have done is to add the ST2084 curve like on the newer models.
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Hello everyone. I have been out of the PJ game for awhile and am looking to pick one of these up. I am coming from an RS-2. Have there been any major issues from a reliability standpoint with this PJ? Any bulb issues etc?

My RS-2 has been rock solid and looking to get the same life out of this one if I go with it. Thank you!

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Dominic is correct in that getting good HDR performance with either the 420 or 440 is much easier.

But I do want to add though, that if you're technically oriented, and don't mind investing some time in learning how to do it properly with Custom Gamma Curves, the performance you can get with the 400 is just as good as that of the 420/440. You might also need to buy a second device to enable the Auto Iris for use with HDR, and to prevent the Projector from auto-switching to Gamma D (such as the HDFury Linker, which I picked up used for $100). I believe the Linker would still be needed for Auto Iris function in the 420, but not with the 440, but I'd have to double-check on that.

I bought the 400 coming up on 2 years ago, and have gone through that process, and I am extremely pleased with what I'm seeing with mine.

But if you're looking for a more 'plug-and-play' then Dominic is correct, that this will be much easier with one of the newer models, but obviously at some added cost.
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Thank you both for the comments! They are much appreciated. I am a DIYer so I don't mind playing with the 400. Has it been a reliable unit otherwise? Any other major known problems?
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Thank you both for the comments! They are much appreciated. I am a DIYer so I don't mind playing with the 400. Has it been a reliable unit otherwise? Any other major known problems?
The only issue I experienced (and read about) is that very occasionally the screen can go totally crazy and requires a reboot. That’s with both the RS400 and RS420.
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Ok, I’ve posted here about my frustration the RS400 won’t anamorphic stretch 4k 4:4:4 60 ( my Xbox1x feed), nor will my X8500H.

If I get the Oppo 203 , and feed my AVR into it, the oppo 203 then is my video processor for HDR tonning and anamorphic stretch , right?



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Ok, I’ve posted here about my frustration the RS400 won’t anamorphic stretch 4k 4:4:4 60 ( my Xbox1x feed), nor will my X8500H.

If I get the Oppo 203 , and feed my AVR into it, the oppo 203 then is my video processor for HDR tonning and anamorphic stretch , right?
I would feed the OPPO into the AVR, not the other way round.
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I would feed the OPPO into the AVR, not the other way round.


I’d feed the hdmi audio out to the AVR , the video to PJ


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Thank you both for the comments! They are much appreciated. I am a DIYer so I don't mind playing with the 400. Has it been a reliable unit otherwise? Any other major known problems?
It seems that relatively few problems are reported on the forums. I did have my aperture stop working, though, which apparently is a relatively rare occurrence. But I sent it in for repair, under warranty, and it has been fine since then.

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Ok, I’ve posted here about my frustration the RS400 won’t anamorphic stretch 4k 4:4:4 60 ( my Xbox1x feed), nor will my X8500H.

If I get the Oppo 203 , and feed my AVR into it, the oppo 203 then is my video processor for HDR tonning and anamorphic stretch , right?



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Correct. I only have one other source, a Roku, so I feed that into the Oppo 203 and the Oppo 203 feeds into the prepro. But it will also work the way you want to do it, if you have multiple sources.
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Hello everyone. I have been out of the PJ game for awhile and am looking to pick one of these up. I am coming from an RS-2. Have there been any major issues from a reliability standpoint with this PJ? Any bulb issues etc?

My RS-2 has been rock solid and looking to get the same life out of this one if I go with it. Thank you!
I pretty much agree with what has been said. I own a RS400 and have probably (certainly) been the most vocal in my frustration with getting "HDR" to look right. JVC really shafted the RSx00 owners by not including a HDR gamma curve and immediately releasing the RSx20 models only one year later that does. It is very obvious from any objective perspective this was a very poor decision by JVC. The RSx20 should have simply been a RSx00 firmware update. Period.

I made a JVC 4K QuickStart Guide that will answer all 4K questions for a new RSx00 owner.

For HD & 3D, it really doesn't make a difference which projector you get. For 4K & HDR, that's where there is a bit of differentiation:

If you want the least amount of hassle, I do suggest the RSx20 or above. It has a built in HDR curve and will automatically switch over when you put in a 4K disc and you really don't need to worry about anything else, unless you want to start tinkering around (which you can still do).

If you are okay with a bit of hassle, you can get a RSx00 model and follow my guide which outlines the steps to get the most out of your projector.
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If you want the least amount of hassle, I do suggest the RSx20 or above. It has a built in HDR curve and will automatically switch over when you put in a 4K disc and you really don't need to worry about anything else, unless you want to start tinkering around (which you can still do).
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The RSx20 has an additional HDR mode (not just the ST2084 HDR curve). The distinction is important, as if you create a custom HDR gamma curve and select it in the HDR mode, whenever the projector detectors HDR source it will use your custom curve and not the built-in ST2084 curve.
In comparison, the RSx00 only has a “Gamma D” curve, which the projector will use even when you prefer the custom curve.

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Some additional details:
The RSx20 has an additional HDR mode (not just the ST2084 HDR curve). The distinction is important, as if you create a custom HDR gamma curve and select it in the HDR mode, that custom curve will be used automatically whenever an HDR source is detected.
In comparison, the RSx00 only has a “Gamma D” curve, which the projector will use even when you prefer the custom curve.
Right exactly. Which is why the RSx20 models are recommended if someone wants the simplest solution possible.
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Right exactly. Which is why the RSx20 models are recommended if someone wants the simplest solution possible.


I truly enjoy my RS400 PJ, but now it’s another $550 for a oppo 203 to give same usability as it should have itself , I feel cheated .
Does anyone know if JVC will do a software fix for the RSX00 models??
Have they been asked about it?


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I truly enjoy my RS400 PJ, but now it’s another $550 for a oppo 203 to give same usability as it should have itself , I feel cheated .
Does anyone know if JVC will do a software fix for the RSX00 models??
Have they been asked about it?


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Zero chance of a software update for these models for HDR. There should have been an update when the RSx20 models came out with updated HDR modes but JVC opted not to. It stinks but it's a fact we have to live with.
Depending on your setup you may be able to just download some pre made curves and get outstanding results without buying the Oppo.
I tried the Oppo for a couple of months and liked it but now I have custom curves installed by Chad B and it looks great so the Oppo is going back.
You may also want to hang tight and wait for the Panasonic players next month. They will be a little cheaper than the Oppo and might have better results with tone mapping right away.
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Thx, will the panny have hdmi input and dual hdmi outputs like the 203?


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Dual output, most likely. HDMI input, very doubtful.
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Dual output, most likely. HDMI input, very doubtful.
Yeah, here are the specs listed on their site for the 420 model.

https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consume...0eb.specs.html
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Thank you all for the input on the HDR and reliability!

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My RS400 has been great, no issues with 1700+hrs on it.
Other than the Gamma D nonsense on a $4k PJ.

Why waste $ on more cheap stuff, it's like challenging a dragon with a pocket knife.
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I haven't had to think about my projector for the last 18 months or so (just been using it), but as I finally decided to get a 4k player, it brought a couple things to mind. First of course is getting the color profiles and curves loaded. That's easy enough to do. The second is a problem it seemed a handful of folks witnessed on the JVCs and I'm curious if any firmware updates ever corrected it.

We all know the JVC takes a while to pair to the given input mode, but the problem is when switching back and forth on a semi-frequent basis, every once in a while the projector goes ballistic and starts through random color lines all over the screen (no image, just the lines). The only way to correct is to power cycle the projector, which of course means waiting for the bulb cool down time and all, plus it can't be great for the bulb. I can't remember which owners thread I saw some other folks talking about it, but does anyone know if there have been any firmware updates that might have addressed it?

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I haven't had to think about my projector for the last 18 months or so (just been using it), but as I finally decided to get a 4k player, it brought a couple things to mind. First of course is getting the color profiles and curves loaded. That's easy enough to do. The second is a problem it seemed a handful of folks witnessed on the JVCs and I'm curious if any firmware updates ever corrected it.

We all know the JVC takes a while to pair to the given input mode, but the problem is when switching back and forth on a semi-frequent basis, every once in a while the projector goes ballistic and starts through random color lines all over the screen (no image, just the lines). The only way to correct is to power cycle the projector, which of course means waiting for the bulb cool down time and all, plus it can't be great for the bulb. I can't remember which owners thread I saw some other folks talking about it, but does anyone know if there have been any firmware updates that might have addressed it?
Yes this is a really annoying issue that still pops up occasionally for me as well. For me it seems to happen when I add a new device to the chain or when I upgrade firmware on a device like a blu ray player.
I just recently added the Oppo and had this problem when I upgraded the Oppo's firmware.
As far as I know there is no firmware fix for this. Some people say that turning off CMD fixes it but it is off in my unit and I still have the problem.
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