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What does the 8.2.4 firmware add? Because of all the warnings about "bricking the projector" if the update goes awry I haven't attempted this.
It’s actually 83.2.4. It does not affect most people. See:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post54789588

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The updater program will open and allows me to select the firmware file, etc but I get a “communication error” message when I initiate the update. I have followed the JVC instructions to the letter.
What caused the issue? In your follow up post you simply said
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Follow the JVC firmware directions and you should be good to go.
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What caused the issue? In your follow up post you simply said
I was initially using a “straight-thru” serial cable. I bought a “null” cable from the same manufacturer and that resolved the communication error.
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I was initially using a “straight-thru” serial cable. I bought a “null” cable from the same manufacturer and that resolved the communication error.
Thanks. Does the projector actually show 83.2.4 after the update? I have an x750 (RS500).
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Thanks. Does the projector actually show 83.2.4 after the update? I have an x750 (RS500).
No, due to JVC’s outstanding programming design. it only displays to one decimal position. Another post in this thread confirms that. Also, I found the 83.2.4 update under the JVC Pro support site. I can’t say if this firmware should be applied to the retail unit.

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I certainly understand your frustration. I have the RS400, had to deal with the hassle of 1980's cables for firmware updates, had to import and modify custom curves for HDR performance, etc. Definitely a hassle, and JVC could have done more, at least on the HDR side, to ease our pain. But dang, it puts out a great image.

And ironically, the newly announced RS1000/2000/3000 series should have excellent HDR performance out of the box, with their new tone-mapping feature, has firmware updates by USB, and other improvements. So despite the fact that JVC left much to be desired with our generation of projectors, it doesn't seem there is anything out there that will yield this type of picture quality, especially at the various price levels for the different models.

So if/when you consider an upgrade, JVC might still represent one of your better options. I am actively considering the RS3000, despite frustration with JVC. YMMV, as always!

I know there is a MASSIVE thread on caliberatiing this unit for HDR, is that the process you followed for the HDR “custom curves”? Thanks.
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I know there is a MASSIVE thread on caliberatiing this unit for HDR, is that the process you followed for the HDR “custom curves”? Thanks.
Follow my JVC 4K QuickStart Guide. Step 3 is probably what you're after but the whole guide is good.
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I know there is a MASSIVE thread on caliberatiing this unit for HDR, is that the process you followed for the HDR “custom curves”? Thanks.
Yes - Dreamliner's guide, in his reply above, is an excellent place to get yourself familiar with the process. As you'll learn, there are 2 aspects to this:

1. The first is the basic Autocalibration, using JVC's software. That is the topic of the massive thread, although as you'll see, you only need to get familiar with what's on the first page or so of posts. This is to correct the basic underlying Gamma correction of the Projector, along with the color, and will improve picture quality for any and all video you play through it.

2. Then there is the Custom Curve uploading, for HDR/WCG content, and there are 2 ways to do this as well.

Step # 1 really should be done at some point (at least 100 hours into a new bulb, and then every several hundred hours after that, as the bulb ages. Once you understand the steps, and have been through it once, it's really not bad at all. It sounds much worse than it is.

And now that the Panasonic UB-820 has been released, you don't even have to deal with Step # 2, as using the 'Tone-Mapping' on the player, you can get as good, and according to most, better, results for HDR with the Panasonic, than with Custom Curves. You only have to make a few settings changes in the Player, even fewer in the Projector, and you're good to go.

The main downside with the UB-820 is the cost ($499), and the difficulty finding one (demand has been exceeding the supply). But it is a killer combination with the current generation of JVC Projectors, and especially with the RS400/500/600 series. And further, if you like the Auto Iris function, and want to use it for HDR content, your choice is either adding the HDFury Linker, as well as the Custom Curves, or simply use the Panasonic, since it would not require the use of the Linker. And the Panasonic would also prevent your projector from auto-switching to Gamma D (which would also otherwise require the Linker), making it even simpler to watch HDR content.


Again, sounds a bit complicated, but the 'bark is worse than the bite,' and the results are very much worth it.

HTH!

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My RS400 was calibrated by ChadB who provided a custom gamma curve for use with HDR content.
What do you think of Chad's work ?
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I'm very pleased with his work. I highly recommend his calibration services and I plan to use them again.

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Vertex serial cable

My HDfury Vertex arrived but it does not include the serial cable needed for controlling the RS400.

Some of the links in Manni's post about this in another thread are now dead, but from the description there it looks like either of these would work:

https://www.amazon.com/SF-Cable-Fema...dp/B004T9BBJC/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y98F6D5/

Is that right?

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So, once i have my custom curves loaded, its up to me to choose which curve looks best ?

Im still toying with the idea of doing the curves myself......

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Looks right. Pins match

I personally just bought a 3.5mm stereo audio extension lead of the needed length cut off the end and soldered a Serial connector. The joys of RS232.
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So, once i have my custom curves loaded, its up to me to choose which curve looks best ?

Im still toying with the idea of doing the curves myself......
pretty much, I used roughly matching SDR from ATV with SRD encapsulated in HDR as generated by the ATV as a starting point.

Doing the curves yourself for your own setup is the right answer. I recommend starting with JAVs curves as thay define a nice rolloff. Then set bbo (black level) and bw (diffuse white) for your setup.
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Please forgive if this has been addressed, but I can't find a similar description in the search option. X550 B stock AVS purchase in July. Only a couple hundred hours on the bulb.
I've noticed what I can only describe as 'ghost white smoke flames' or the kind of 'hot air waves' one sees hovering over a hot highway, that appear to be rising up from the bottom of the screen towards the top on all bright white images. It this just warm air from the lamp being projected on the screen? Didn't notice it when first purchased, but I didn't really notice it until a friend pointed it out couple of days ago.
Can someone explain what this is to me?
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I've noticed what I can only describe as 'ghost white smoke flames' or the kind of 'hot air waves' one sees hovering over a hot highway, that appear to be rising up from the bottom of the screen towards the top on all bright white images.
Are there any heating vents between the projector and the screen?
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Are there any heating vents between the projector and the screen?
No, there are no heating vents in front of the PJ. Could it simply be the hot air coming out of the front vents on the PJ itself? Never noticed it before. Again, only noticeable on large bright white images.
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No, there are no heating vents in front of the PJ. Could it simply be the hot air coming out of the front vents on the PJ itself? Never noticed it before. Again, only noticeable on large bright white images.
It's probably the hot air coming out of the front vents. Next time it happens, have a magazine or something with you and wave the air and watch it move. It's pretty subtle and most will not notice it (just like the lens light leak). It can also depend on how close the ceiling or walls are that can 'trap' and redirect the hot air exacerbating it.
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It's probably the hot air coming out of the front vents. Next time it happens, have a magazine or something with you and wave the air and watch it move. It's pretty subtle and most will not notice it (just like the lens light leak). It can also depend on how close the ceiling or walls are that can 'trap' and redirect the hot air exacerbating it.
Thanks for the reply. I'll give that a try.
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First time posting in this thread, I have been spending a lot of time going back and trying to read all the posts regarding this projector but have not finished. With that said, I have the opportunity to purchase what appears to be a very nice used x550rb for what I believe is a great price (don't think I can talk pricing) with only 1,600 hours on the bulb. The software version is u83.2 and PS ver. is 100310.

I have a very venerable (old) Panasonic AE700u) that I know will not compare to the x550rb but I have never purchased a used projector. The owners will let me demo the unit what should I be looking at when I do?

Thanks in advance.

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First time posting in this thread, I have been spending a lot of time going back and trying to read all the posts regarding this projector but have not finished. With that said, I have the opportunity to purchase what appears to be a very nice used x550rb for what I believe is a great price (don't think I can talk pricing) with only 1,600 hours on the bulb. The software version is u83.2 and PS ver. is 100310.



I have a very venerable (old) Panasonic AE700u) that I know will not compare to the x550rb but I have never purchased a used projector. The owners will let me demo the unit what should I be looking at when I do?



Thanks in advance.


I think you should keep the AE700 - it must be a collector’s item by now. How many hours do you have on it?


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First time posting in this thread, I have been spending a lot of time going back and trying to read all the posts regarding this projector but have not finished. With that said, I have the opportunity to purchase what appears to be a very nice used x550rb for what I believe is a great price (don't think I can talk pricing) with only 1,600 hours on the bulb. The software version is u83.2 and PS ver. is 100310.

I have a very venerable (old) Panasonic AE700u) that I know will not compare to the x550rb but I have never purchased a used projector. The owners will let me demo the unit what should I be looking at when I do?

Thanks in advance.
My original projector was a Panasonic AE7000 and I demoed a AE8000 & RS46, kept the RS46 then upgraded to a RS400 (X550).

If you can get a good deal on it, the RS400/X550 is a great 4K projector when paired with the right UHD player (Panasonic UB820) and an easily loaded premade gamma curve for everything else. I made a JVC 4K QuickStart Guide that will walk you through all that once you own it. Even for HD content, the projector is very bright and the pixels are physically very close so the 'screen door effect' is pretty much non-existent.

This is what I would suggest if you want to really check it out before you buy it:

1) Be in a completely black or very dark room (go at night if you have to).
2) Put the projector on HIDE and look to see if you can see any stuck on pixels. (I had a couple JVC's that had stuck on blue pixels)
3) Bring a Sony Blu-ray disc and enter 7669 on the disc menu and it will bring up test patterns and solid colors you can skip and pause. You can use that to check RGB colors, and check for uniformity to make sure everything is even and looking right.
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Is it necessary to restore pj to factory settings before i install the curves.

There are 6 user modes along with cinema animation and narural, for convenience they put the first 3 on the remote ??
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Is it necessary to restore pj to factory settings before i install the curves.
No, but you need to be in a User Mode if you’re loading the curves in .conf format. Curves in .jgd format can be loaded from any mode.

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There are no dedicated buttons on the remote for the User Picture Modes. The Mode 1/2/3 buttons are for Lens Memory. EDIT: I was referring to the remote for RS500/600; apparently the RS400 remote does have User Picture Mode buttons.

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No, but you need to be in a User Mode if you’re loading the curves in .conf format. Curves in .jgd format can be loaded from any mode.


There are no dedicated buttons on the remote for the User Picture Modes. The Mode 1/2/3 buttons are for Lens Memory.
As u see im still struggling with the units menu's and the curve upload procedure and use....

The three buttons at the bottom User1 User2 User3 are “picture mode”presets I thought, i know the upper ones are for lens memory

and the jvc webpage with the files says its to be used with a meter ? Is that an option for later, you dont need one to just upload curves ???

also there are two different downloads, which do i use ????

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and the jvc webpage with the files says its to be used with a meter ? Is that an option for later, you dont need one to just upload curves ???

also there are two different downloads, which do i use ????
The meter is used for calibration. You don’t need it for uploading curves. There are different versions software for Syder4 and Spyder5; for loading curves both will work.
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If im trying the JVC curves, which type are they

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Both .conf and .jgd curves are for JVC projectors. Download the curves you want and check the file name to determine the format.
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Both .conf and .jgd curves are for JVC projectors. Download the curves you want and check the file name to determine the format.
Thanx for the help, SO....there are three permanent profiles (cinema/animation/ natural)and user1 through user6 can be used for curves or whatever else i want them for, and yes the remote for the rs400 has 1-3user settings buttons.

Problem is i never really learned the menu settings, i did it once a couple years ago...

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Original RS400 owner- Back in the HT after some time away — Need a quick update!!

I’m an original owner paired with the old Samsung 850 player and I have a pile of HDMI cables that we all tried and tried again back then!!

So here I am and blowing the dust off the HT. There are SOOOO many threads and posts on curves, etc. I’ve got the 2020 file and original curve that came out loaded. That’s it.

If I purchase the Panny 820, my understanding is this will serve my 400 very well. Can someone either PM me or post a quick guide to what I need to do to optimize with the 820 and if the 820 does auto color mapping, turning my 400 into a 420/440 what curves and settings would I use in the 400?

Sorry for being so behind the times but show some love to one of the original trailblazers of the 400 back in the day!!
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