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I finally took the plunge and bought the 400.

Got a smoking deal on it from an authorized vendor and have had it for a few days playing around with it. I was so excited I set it up on my floor and projected a 90+ inch picture on a light tan wall. Even with that, the picture looked amazing. Threw some football on and even with the lights on low, the picture looked really good. Plenty good enough for a football party, and thats under terrible conditions.

Can't wait to get my screen installed this weekend.

Anyways, I didn't have any issues with fan noise or several other little bugs I've read about in this thread.

I am about as happy as I can be.
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I got my unit replaced after a bit dumbery on thr part of thr store I bought it from. It had a extremely loud buzzing noise when the eshift was engaged. They tried to play dumb, until I brought my spl meter with me..62db at the mouth of the fan... Lol

So finally they opened another they had, perfectly silent, I took it home and it's beautiful. The gaming lag sucks but I'm going to grab a cheap DLP for gaming I think.

I will have it calibrated in November when my.guy is back in town but for now, using the setting from.zombie, she's looking great... A pretty big step up from my old ae8000.
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Can somebody post comparison pics between:

A 1080p disc
and
the same shot from the UHD with HDR


I'm interested in seeing how much dimming there is and what the difference in colors is like.
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If the refresh rate is only 96 Hz it means that no matter how they tweak it, it won't be any better until they increase the rate. It is not basically a defect, it is a feature. If it is a software issue then it can be fixed if they want to, but if it is a hardware issue then it is more difficult to fix. But if it is a feature why should they fix it because it is working like they wanted?

96 Hz is very low rate and it is very questionable decision from JVC to keep it so low as there are projectors under $1000 group which can do better.

I was about to buy X5000 but when I heard about the low refresh rate I chose not to buy it. Too expensive machinery to have a flaw like that.

Maybe more expensive JVCs are better? I guess not?

Maybe new Epsons are better? Have to wait and see...
I am hearing talk that the 5040/6040 has the 10.2Gbps HDMI chip, rather than the 18Gbps chips. Will confirm next week with Epson.
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I am hearing talk that the 5040/6040 has the 10.2Gbps HDMI chip, rather than the 18Gbps chips. Will confirm next week with Epson.
Wow. This is new.
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I am hearing talk that the 5040/6040 has the 10.2Gbps HDMI chip, rather than the 18Gbps chips. Will confirm next week with Epson.
Which HDMI chip do the JVCs use? 18 or 10.2?

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Which HDMI chip do the JVCs use? 18 or 10.2?
I believe JVC uses 18gbps HDMI chips.

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Hi All,

Looking for some price expectations. Live up in Canada, and see some folks here have snagged a 550r up north.

What can I expect to pay?

I have dealt with Eastporters in the past and loved their service. Just looking for a ballpark as I am trying to decide between the JVC and the Epson 5040/6040.

Also, does anyone know if there are any promos? Like free bulb? Glasses., etc on the 550 right now?

Please PM me and let me know.

Greatly appreciated.
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I am hearing talk that the 5040/6040 has the 10.2Gbps HDMI chip, rather than the 18Gbps chips. Will confirm next week with Epson.
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From the Epson press release...
"Epson Introduces World’s First 3LCD Projectors with 4K UHD Signal Input and HDR for Under $3,000

Home Cinema 5040UBe Offers World’s First WirelessHD Projector with 4K Enhancement Technology

June 21, 2016

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More About the Home Cinema 5040UBe and 5040UB
The Home Cinema 5040UBe and 5040UB with 4K Enhancement1 are compatible with HDMI® 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 standards for displaying 4K UHD content. ..."

So, my question is...can the units be "compatible with HDMI 2.0a...standards" without having the HDMI 18 gbps chip installed?
Is Epson implying more than is there?

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From the Epson press release...
"Epson Introduces World’s First 3LCD Projectors with 4K UHD Signal Input and HDR for Under $3,000

Home Cinema 5040UBe Offers World’s First WirelessHD Projector with 4K Enhancement Technology

June 21, 2016

.............................

More About the Home Cinema 5040UBe and 5040UB
The Home Cinema 5040UBe and 5040UB with 4K Enhancement1 are compatible with HDMI® 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 standards for displaying 4K UHD content. ..."

So, my question is...can the units be "compatible with HDMI 2.0a...standards" without having the HDMI 18 gbps chip installed?
Is Epson implying more than is there?
All of the Sony 4K projectors have only had the 10.2Gbps chip also. JVC was the only company that had the full 18Gbps chips in an under 30K projector.
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From the Epson press release...

"The Home Cinema 5040UBe and 5040UB with 4K Enhancement1 are compatible with HDMI® 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 standards for displaying 4K UHD content. ..."

So, my question is...can the units be "compatible with HDMI 2.0a...standards" without having the HDMI 18 gbps chip installed?
Is Epson implying more than is there?
Well, Wikipedia says, "HDMI 2.0 increases the maximum TMDS per channel throughput from 3.4 Gbit/s to 6 Gbit/s which allows for a maximum total TMDS throughput of 18 Gbit/s. This enables HDMI 2.0 to carry 4K resolution at 60 frames per second (fps)". So clearly even HDMI 2.0 (much less 2.0a, which added HDR), requires 18G bps.

The only question is if they're playing some word games with "compatible", instead of saying "fully supports". The lower-rate chip would support 4K UHD only up to 30 fps (not 60), which many would protest. I haven't been following the reviews of the pre-production units, so I don't know if they've commented on this or not. But it seems unlikely to me that Epson would take that gamble.

EDIT: this was being written while Mike was posting above.

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All of the Sony 4K projectors have only had the 10.2Gbps chip also. JVC was the only company that had the full 18Gbps chips in an under 30K projector.
Fascinating. So no full HDMI 2.0 support there either. Thanks.

EDIT: the only thing I'd add there is that the Sony true 4K projectors were designed and built a long time before the new Epsons. Meaning the 18G bps chip availability situation was very different.

However, in spite of that, Epson may still have chosen to go with the slower chips, purely on a cost basis, considering the price point they were aiming for. Then said, "Hey, if it's good enough for a $30K true 4K projector, it's good enough for a faux-4K projector at 10% of the price."

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Hi All,

Looking for some price expectations. Live up in Canada, and see some folks here have snagged a 550r up north.

What can I expect to pay?

I have dealt with Eastporters in the past and loved their service. Just looking for a ballpark as I am trying to decide between the JVC and the Epson 5040/6040.

Also, does anyone know if there are any promos? Like free bulb? Glasses., etc on the 550 right now?

Please PM me and let me know.

Greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Information on the available JVC promotions are on the product pages on the Eastporters site. If you've dealt with them in the past, I'm sure you know they'll send you a quote on request.
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I am hearing talk that the 5040/6040 has the 10.2Gbps HDMI chip, rather than the 18Gbps chips. Will confirm next week with Epson.
Ok. Good to know.
I have been reading this thread, X7000/X9000 thread and Epson thread and the more I read the more I'm inclining towards JVC X5000 or even X7000. I need to see the 3D myself. If I don't like it I can always use my current BenQ W7500 for 3D. Most of the JVC owners don't see any flickering when watching 3D movies but there are some people who see it. So I have keep my fingers crossed.

But there is one big issue with JVC. And that is the vertical lens shift. The user manual tells that you can shift it up to about 80% of the projected image height.

Currently my BenQ is about 195 cm above the floor and the upper edge of the image is 210 cm above the floor. BenQ can easily shift the image down to right position. (The manual tells that it has max shift about 120% of the image height. And they say that DLP projectors have poor lens shift ). And so could my old Pana 5000. But JVC can't. My image height is about 140 cm so it means that max lens shift is about 110 cm. Am I right? So, if the upper edge of the image is at 210 cm the pj should be at 180 cm (140 cm - 110 cm = 30 cm which is how much lower the pj should be).
But that is impossible with my current setup. The pj is on top of very complex wardrobe/closet system and I can't put the pj inside the closet. The closets open on the other side (hallway side) so there is basically just a wall on the livingroom side and some empty space on top of it where the pj is.

But when people here are saying that JVC has great lens shift I don't really get it after my calculations.

Maybe I just put the pj inside the closet and make a hole on the back wall.
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Ok. Good to know.
I have been reading this thread, X7000/X9000 thread and Epson thread and the more I read the more I'm inclining towards JVC X5000 or even X7000. I need to see the 3D myself. If I don't like it I can always use my current BenQ W7500 for 3D. Most of the JVC owners don't see any flickering when watching 3D movies but there are some people who see it. So I have keep my fingers crossed.

But there is one big issue with JVC. And that is the vertical lens shift. The user manual tells that you can shift it up to about 80% of the projected image height.

Currently my BenQ is about 195 cm above the floor and the upper edge of the image is 210 cm above the floor. BenQ can easily shift the image down to right position. (The manual tells that it has max shift about 120% of the image height. And they say that DLP projectors have poor lens shift ). And so could my old Pana 5000. But JVC can't. My image height is about 140 cm so it means that max lens shift is about 110 cm. Am I right? So, if the upper edge of the image is at 210 cm the pj should be at 180 cm (140 cm - 110 cm = 30 cm which is how much lower the pj should be).
But that is impossible with my current setup. The pj is on top of very complex wardrobe/closet system and I can't put the pj inside the closet. The closets open on the other side (hallway side) so there is basically just a wall on the livingroom side and some empty space on top of it where the pj is.

But when people here are saying that JVC has great lens shift I don't really get it after my calculations.

Maybe I just put the pj inside the closet and make a hole on the back wall.
You are not reading it correctly. For a 110" diagonal 16:9 screen the max height the center of the lens can be above the image is 6.7" for a W7500 and 16.2" for an RS400/X550. The JVC has a lot more lens shift than the Benq.
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Can somebody post comparison pics between:

A 1080p disc
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the same shot from the UHD with HDR


I'm interested in seeing how much dimming there is and what the difference in colors is like.
+1 on wanting to see this
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You are not reading it correctly. For a 110" diagonal 16:9 screen the max height the center of the lens can be above the image is 6.7" for a W7500 and 16.2" for an RS400/X550. The JVC has a lot more lens shift than the Benq.
Ok. Thanks! But how should I read it then? The JVC manual says 'Up to about 80% of the projected image'. How do you calculate it then and what does the 80% mean here?

The BenQ user manual is quite clear. There is even a nice picture showing all the possible positions for the image. Looking at the Epson 5040 user manual there is similar kind of drawing there, which shows that Epson doesn't have as good lens shift as BenQ does. Epson has max 97% lens shift. So in that case the 97% and 120% are comparable. But JVC's 80% is not?

But the main thing is that I believe you when you say that JVC has better lens shift than BenQ. And that is the only thing that matters. Because now I know that there are no obstacles any more. Now I only need to choose between X5000 and X7000.
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Ok. Thanks! But how should I read it then? The JVC manual says 'Up to about 80% of the projected image'. How do you calculate it then and what does the 80% mean here?

The BenQ user manual is quite clear. There is even a nice picture showing all the possible positions for the image. Looking at the Epson 5040 user manual there is similar kind of drawing there, which shows that Epson doesn't have as good lens shift as BenQ does. Epson has max 97% lens shift. So in that case the 97% and 120% are comparable. But JVC's 80% is not?

But the main thing is that I believe you when you say that JVC has better lens shift than BenQ. And that is the only thing that matters. Because now I know that there are no obstacles any more. Now I only need to choose between X5000 and X7000.
The JVC has almost 4 times the lens shift of the Benq. The Epson has around 5 times the amount of lens shift of the Benq. I do not know where you are getting the 120%, but the only way you can get that amount is if you are giving the total range, as in 6% above the image to 6% below the image. If judging the JVC that way, you would have 160%. If judging the Epson that way, you would get 190%.

On the JVC it is 80% from center of the image, so that comes out to 30% of image height above the image all the way down to 30% below the image.
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The JVC has almost 4 times the lens shift of the Benq. The Epson has around 5 times the amount of lens shift of the Benq. I do not know where you are getting the 120%, but the only way you can get that amount is if you are giving the total range, as in 6% above the image to 6% below the image. If judging the JVC that way, you would have 160%. If judging the Epson that way, you would get 190%.

On the JVC it is 80% from center of the image, so that comes out to 30% of image height above the image all the way down to 30% below the image.
I think I really have misinterpreted those percentages. The lens shift seems to be quite good on JVC. Thanks a lot, again!
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Can owners comment on the lag issue with the JVCs? We likely won't be using a PJ much for gaming, but sports and action flicks aplenty will be our usage, with the possibility of moving our PS4 to the basement theater at some point down the road. Upgrading from an ancient Sony Pearl, so anything will be a big step in the right direction, but am just leery of the lag issue with the JVCs. Thanks in advance!
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LAG is only an issue for first person shooter online gaming....doesnt effect movie/sports watching
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Airflow vital to sustain lamp life

I had an Epson projector that the factory changed the normal fan level to a lower speed for a model back in 2011, all to decrease the noise level and the lamps life was cut in half. The lamp died after 1900 hours. With the new lamp I increased the fan level and the lamp continue over 4000 hours. So, airflow is vital to sustain the lamp life to decrease heat.

I slightly notice the increase fan noise on the JVC for HDR and 3D watching, but I have my sound system cracking at theater sound levels. Our bedrooms are on the other end of the house.



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No, I have no reason to think that use of HDR will have any significant effect on the life of the PJ. Using high-lamp mode will obviously reduce the lamp's lifespan to some degree, which simply means that to take advantage of HDR effectively will cost you more in operating expenses (new bulb sooner). But then, you already have another cost you're unhappy with, just with the increase in noise level. And I agree that the normal low-fan noise level is nice enough it's a shame to crank it up. If I had to do so for some reason, I'd probably be thinking hard about a hush-box.

As to advisability, I see nothing wrong with it, if you can live with the compromises required. There are some who really love it, and think it's well worth it. KRichter is one of those. Others have a strong preference to strip HDR and stick with SDR and low-lamp (and a working DI). CraigPeer is an example in that camp. It's really a call each individual has to make for themselves. No one can tell you how you should weight the relative importance of each of the things that factor in.

I'm happy to provide you with a bit of feedback, in the absence of others chiming in. But there are many others with actual experience with the HDR/SDR tradeoffs, who would be in a better position to provide knowledgeable commentary. And I think they already have, if you read through the RS500/600 thread. That's where I got most of the information I'm passing on to you.
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Hi All,

Looking for some price expectations. Live up in Canada, and see some folks here have snagged a 550r up north.

What can I expect to pay?

I have dealt with Eastporters in the past and loved their service. Just looking for a ballpark as I am trying to decide between the JVC and the Epson 5040/6040.

Also, does anyone know if there are any promos? Like free bulb? Glasses., etc on the 550 right now?

Please PM me and let me know.

Greatly appreciated.
Thanks
JVC Canada has a promo for a free spare lamp until the end of September. Eastern Canada Eastporters and Quebec Acoustics . Shop both see who has the best price with shipping.

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JVC Canada has a promo for a free spare lamp until the end of September. Eastern Canada Eastporters and Quebec Acoustics . Shop both see who has the best price with shipping.
I'm pretty sure the spare lamp promo is only for the X750/X950 (RS500/RS600) models
Not sure about QA, but with Eastporters the shipping is also free anywhere in Canada.

Neither apply to the X550/RS400.

Link to the mail-in lamp rebate: http://www.eastporters.com/wp-conten...m-EN-FINAL.pdf

The X550 was my first choice when I saw the Canadian MSRP of the new Epson 5040UB was $500 higher.
I ended up with a X750 from Eastporters, the discount on the upper end model was just too good to pass up,
the free lamp and free shipping sealed the deal.

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Which player is recommended for this? The Philips or the Samsung? I've heard Samsung having some issues with handshakes and HDR. But what about the the Philips? Any known issues when using it with the JVC? UHD and Blu-ray is all I care about.

And as far as I know, the Philips and Panasonic are mostly identical except for the ability to turn off HDR, right? I don't need the audio ports int he Panasonic as I'll be bitstreaming anyway.
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Phillips for SURE fixed my Handshake issue.

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Which player is recommended for this? The Philips or the Samsung? I've heard Samsung having some issues with handshakes and HDR. But what about the the Philips? Any known issues when using it with the JVC? UHD and Blu-ray is all I care about.

And as far as I know, the Philips and Panasonic are mostly identical except for the ability to turn off HDR, right? I don't need the audio ports int he Panasonic as I'll be bitstreaming anyway.
I purchased the Samsung 4K player back in February and had handshake issues since my cable run was over 30 ft. to my JVC projector. I bought the Phillips 4K player in July and haven't had a single issue.

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I bought the Phillips 4K player in July and haven't had a single issue.
Not even with Sony titles such as Angry Birds?

And are you using HDR or using HDFury? Is the dimness in HDR comparable to that of 3D or slightly brighter?
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Can owners comment on the lag issue with the JVCs? We likely won't be using a PJ much for gaming, but sports and action flicks aplenty will be our usage, with the possibility of moving our PS4 to the basement theater at some point down the road. Upgrading from an ancient Sony Pearl, so anything will be a big step in the right direction, but am just leery of the lag issue with the JVCs. Thanks in advance!
Well, you will have to try it out. Some people think the lag is fine, personally I think it's beyond awful lol if you turn off eshift, it's a bit better but I tried playing destiny this weekend.. id rather eat the north end of a south bound skunk than try that again lol
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I'm pretty sure the spare lamp promo is only for the X750/X950 (RS500/RS600) models
Not sure about QA, but with Eastporters the shipping is also free anywhere in Canada.

Neither apply to the X550/RS400.

Link to the mail-in lamp rebate: http://www.eastporters.com/wp-conten...m-EN-FINAL.pdf

The X550 was my first choice when I saw the Canadian MSRP of the new Epson 5040UB was $500 higher.
I ended up with a X750 from Eastporters, the discount on the upper end model was just too good to pass up,
the free lamp and free shipping sealed the deal.

My bad, I believe you are correct. Only applies to the RS500/600 and X950/750 . Does end Sept 30th I was right on that one.

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