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Dave in Green 06-27-2016 09:50 AM

I just compared all the Sony specs for the HW65ES and HW45ES and they appear to be identical except for the addition of the iris on the HW65ES. Yet msrp for the HW65ES is $3,999 vs. $1,999 for the HW45ES or twice as much. If indeed the only difference is the iris then this is obviously artificial pricing as the addition of an iris can't possibly double the cost of producing a projector.

When Sony first announced the HW45ES was going to retail for $500 less than the HW40ES it replaced I thought this was a smart move to be more competitive against Epson's 5030UB. Now that Epson has replaced the 5030UB with the $2,999 5040UB, the $1,999 HW45ES has a $1,000 cost advantage, which it will need if the 5040UB tests out as well as many think it will. On the other hand, the HW65ES has a $1,000 cost disadvantage to the 5040UB and the possibility exists that the 5040UB could be at least comparable to the HW65ES if not superior.

I'm thinking the result of all of the above will put a lot of pressure on Sony to lower the msrp of the HW65ES. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

brian6751 07-01-2016 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 45002890)
I just compared all the Sony specs for the HW65ES and HW45ES and they appear to be identical except for the addition of the iris on the HW65ES. Yet msrp for the HW65ES is $3,999 vs. $1,999 for the HW45ES or twice as much. If indeed the only difference is the iris then this is obviously artificial pricing as the addition of an iris can't possibly double the cost of producing a projector.

When Sony first announced the HW45ES was going to retail for $500 less than the HW40ES it replaced I thought this was a smart move to be more competitive against Epson's 5030UB. Now that Epson has replaced the 5030UB with the $2,999 5040UB, the $1,999 HW45ES has a $1,000 cost advantage, which it will need if the 5040UB tests out as well as many think it will. On the other hand, the HW65ES has a $1,000 cost disadvantage to the 5040UB and the possibility exists that the 5040UB could be at least comparable to the HW65ES if not superior.

I'm thinking the result of all of the above will put a lot of pressure on Sony to lower the msrp of the HW65ES. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

I am thinking the same thing. I would like to get the 65 but I cant justify the price difference from the 45 and I'm afraid the price will drop right after I buy it.

brian6751 07-08-2016 07:14 AM

Is anyone even buying these at $3999?

WilliamG 07-08-2016 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by brian6751 (Post 45227145)
Is anyone even buying these at $3999?

You'd have to be a bit of a ninny to spend $4k on the 65ES at this point...

I have a 50ES I've had for quite a few years now, and I REALLY want to go 4K. I have a total bat-cave now, and the 50ES contrast is obviously lacking when you can't see even your hand in front of your face levels of light control.

Decisions, decisions...

brian6751 07-08-2016 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamG (Post 45237481)
You'd have to be a bit of a ninny to spend $4k on the 65ES at this point...

I agree. I wonder if anyone is getting it for a lower price or if it will go down soon. I suspect it will have to go down once the new Epsons come out.

The 65es supposedly had great black levels

zombie10k 07-08-2016 08:28 PM

The 65 contrast is basically the same as the 55, ~6.5K:1 native.

Gruson 07-10-2016 12:36 AM

Can anyone comment on this vs Panasonic PT‑AE8000U? I have the Panasonic and want to upgrade but am worried the Sony won't have the same punch since the Pansonic has 2400 lumens.

Worth upgrading or will I miss the vibrant image of the Pansonic? Using it with a 119" Da-lite high powered screen. It looks like a huge LED now, incredible bright scenes but dark scenes look pretty bad and grey....

Gruson 07-10-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Gruson (Post 45259881)
Can anyone comment on this vs Panasonic PT‑AE8000U? I have the Panasonic and want to upgrade but am worried the Sony won't have the same punch since the Pansonic has 2400 lumens.

Worth upgrading or will I miss the vibrant image of the Pansonic? Using it with a 119" Da-lite high powered screen. It looks like a huge LED now, incredible bright scenes but dark scenes look pretty bad and grey....

Can someone give me actual measurements of the projector? I keep finding different numbers. It is going to be a tight fit!

defiantmac 07-13-2016 02:47 PM

I just had a huge issue with SONY in regards to the repairs of my VPL-HW40ES. After a lengthy (30 business day) drawn out process, I was able to get my hands on the 65ES for $500.

I am not as tech savvy with projectors as I am in other areas... Is there anything I should need to know/look out for in regards to this projector? Obviously I am nervous to receive this considering the repair process I just went through with SONY made my head want to explode.

picture_shooter 07-13-2016 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian6751 (Post 45105642)
I am thinking the same thing. I would like to get the 65 but I cant justify the price difference from the 45 and I'm afraid the price will drop right after I buy it.

Nothing wrong with going w/ the 45 over the 65 and save few thousand dollars. :)

defiantmac 07-21-2016 02:13 PM

Does anybody have any suggestions for someone with a new 65ES? I have it in my basement, its a pretty wide open area, I throw from about 11 feet and can display ~107 inch screen max. I am for the most part a projector noob, so any small advice to make the picture look great would be appreciated.

I have dimmable lights in the area and can get it very dark in the basement, but do not have it set up with black curtains or anything.

Thanks!

Soulnight 09-12-2016 09:48 AM

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Hi guys,

this thread is way to silent for this great projector! :)

I thought I would wake it up from the summer break by sharing our review.

Review of the projector Sony VPL-HW65ES


Let's hope it will revive this thread! ;)

Next to come: the Epson EH-TW9300 (also known as 6040UB). :)

Soulnight 09-12-2016 09:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by defiantmac (Post 45506289)
Does anybody have any suggestions for someone with a new 65ES? I have it in my basement, its a pretty wide open area, I throw from about 11 feet and can display ~107 inch screen max. I am for the most part a projector noob, so any small advice to make the picture look great would be appreciated.

I have dimmable lights in the area and can get it very dark in the basement, but do not have it set up with black curtains or anything.

Thanks!

Hi defiantmac,

the best you can do is actually GET some black curtains, ensure that no light comes from any windows into your room and keep the surface next to your screen (walls, floor, ceiling) as black as possible.

This will increase your picture quality the most! :)

If you can't have everything dark or black, the consider buying a "ambiant light" screen like:
- DNP Supernova 08-85
- SI Black Diamond
- Draper React 3.0
- etc...

Cheers,
Soulnight :)

Brian Hampton 10-12-2016 03:52 AM

Hi,

This is by far the saddest owner's thread I've ever seen.

One thing that would help is to gather all the online reviews (which have tended to be very positive) and paste them into a section of the first post.

Reviews

ProjectionDream http://projectiondream.com/en/sony-v...iew-projector/

Sound and Vision http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...B3kd1T0qkQu.97

ProjectorCentral http://www.projectorcentral.com/sony...tor-review.htm

Trusted Reviews http://www.trustedreviews.com/sony-vpl-hw65es-review

What Hifi http://www.whathifi.com/sony/vpl-hw65es/review

AV Forum https://www.avforums.com/review/sony...r-review.12475

Sony Promotional Video
ProjectorReviews TV Video

Sony HW65ES Website http://www.sony.com/electronics/projector/vpl-hw65es

Sony Brochure https://docs.sony.com/release//Brochure_VPLHW65.pdf

Owners Manual https://docs.sony.com/release//Manual_4580042011.pdf


-Brian

GregCh 10-12-2016 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Hampton (Post 47419105)
Hi,

This is by far the saddest owner's thread I've ever seen.

One thing that would help is to gather all the online reviews (which have tended to be very positive) and paste them into a section of the first post.

Reviews

ProjectionDream http://projectiondream.com/en/sony-v...iew-projector/

Sound and Vision http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...B3kd1T0qkQu.97

ProjectorCentral http://www.projectorcentral.com/sony...tor-review.htm

Trusted Reviews http://www.trustedreviews.com/sony-vpl-hw65es-review

What Hifi http://www.whathifi.com/sony/vpl-hw65es/review

AV Forum https://www.avforums.com/review/sony...r-review.12475

Sony Promotional Video https://youtu.be/amObpI1SyRU

ProjectorReviews TV Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE2l-Ye-e1A

Sony HW65ES Website http://www.sony.com/electronics/projector/vpl-hw65es

Sony Brochure https://docs.sony.com/release//Brochure_VPLHW65.pdf

Owners Manual https://docs.sony.com/release//Manual_4580042011.pdf


-Brian

The problem with the HW65ES is that it is currently overpriced.

It is definitely a good projector and would be competing directly with the Epson 5040UB if it was priced about $1000 less.

I just don't think people see $2000 difference between the 65 and the 45. If Sony dropped the price in the range of $2500 - $3000, I would buy this projector in a heartbeat.

k3nnis 10-13-2016 09:18 PM

If the price was the same as the 5040, technically which projector is better? contrast, black levels, brightness, sharpness etc

I know the 65 is not an e-shift

GregCh 10-13-2016 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k3nnis (Post 47467113)
If the price was the same as the 5040, technically which projector is better? contrast, black levels, brightness, sharpness etc

I know the 65 is not an e-shift

Well the HW65ES would provide much brighter calibrated color brightness.

The Epson 5040UB running in cinema mode (only full p3 color mode available) on medium lamp delivers about 500 lumens. The Sony calibrated color on low (eco, low, high so essentially medium) lamp delivers about 1400 lumens.

Black levels should be about the same with a slight native black level advantage for the Sony.

The Epson has a much better glass lens, powered focus, power lens cover, power lens shift.
The Epson suffers from screen door effect in 1080 mode with e-shift off. The Sony does not. But the Epson cleans up the SDE when e-shift is turned on. The Epson offers HDR compatibility but has less accurate color when operating in brighter HDR modes.

The Sony replacement bulb is more expensive than Epson. The Sony has a sealed light path the Epson does not. The Sony looks much nicer in black, whereas the white Epson looks like crap. The Sony is quieter. Some say the DI on the Sony works better than the DI on the Epson.

The Epson e-shift mode is sharper than the Sony Reality Creation processing. The Epson has better zoom and more lens shift.

So it is basically a matter of preference. One projector is not better than the other. Only the options are different.

Some will prefer the Epson for it's strengths while others will prefer the Sony for it's strengths.

However, the Sony is way overpriced. It needs to drop at least $1000 to be competitive.

k3nnis 10-13-2016 11:54 PM

Ok thanks for the reply. Yeah hw65 is out of my price range. It's either hw45 or 5040


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Brian Hampton 10-14-2016 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 45002890)
I just compared all the Sony specs for the HW65ES and HW45ES and they appear to be identical except for the addition of the iris on the HW65ES. Yet msrp for the HW65ES is $3,999 vs. $1,999 for the HW45ES or twice as much. If indeed the only difference is the iris then this is obviously artificial pricing as the addition of an iris can't possibly double the cost of producing a projector.

You missed at least two. IP control and the 12volt trigger. The 65ES has a LAN port and can be controlled via the network or internet directly. I am not familiar with the 12 volt trigger but I believe it is used to automate motorized screens.

If you use IR this won't matter to you. All of my components use IP control and I prefer it to IR or RF a lot. I see IR like sending smoke signals type of primitive.

IP control and 12V trigger are typically features custom installers look for for greater flexibility with installation options.

The 45 does have rs232 (serial port ... believe it or not) which can be used to add IP control. I did this with my previous projector using a rs232towifi gizmo.

k3nnis 10-14-2016 02:54 AM

Please excuse my ignorance what is IP control?


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Brian Hampton 10-14-2016 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k3nnis (Post 47469433)
Please excuse my ignorance what is IP control?


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Oh no problem. IP is network address like IP address... The 65 has a "LAN" or network port and can be assigned a network address and then controlled directly via the network.

This is like sending the pj an email. ... This is 2 way communication as it's also possible get get information back from the pj.

IR still clings to life but most new things have network control now. Everything I have has direct control via the network. I use RoomieRemote but it's possible to use any sort of computer or tablet as a remote.

hope that clears it up.

The 45 does have a RS232 (serial) port which does offer 2 way commincation and can be converted into network control with a gizmo. I have a wifi2serial gizmo that attaches to the RS232 port and adds IP control.

-Brian

k3nnis 10-14-2016 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Hampton (Post 47469849)
Oh no problem. IP is network address like IP address... The 65 has a "LAN" or network port and can be assigned a network address and then controlled directly via the network.



This is like sending the pj an email. ... This is 2 way communication as it's also possible get get information back from the pj.



IR still clings to life but most new things have network control now. Everything I have has direct control via the network. I use RoomieRemote but it's possible to use any sort of computer or tablet as a remote.



hope that clears it up.



The 45 does have a RS232 (serial) port which does offer 2 way commincation and can be converted into network control with a gizmo. I have a wifi2serial gizmo that attaches to the RS232 port and adds IP control.



-Brian



Thanks for the info :)


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Michael Medeiros 12-01-2016 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian6751 (Post 45237649)
I agree. I wonder if anyone is getting it for a lower price or if it will go down soon. I suspect it will have to go down once the new Epsons come out.

The 65es supposedly had great black levels

I got mine for

Late response but I got mine for $3700 overnighted from a authorized retailer.

Craig Peer 01-23-2017 12:57 PM

This just in - " Upcoming Promotion on VPLHW65ES: To stimulate sales on this model, Sony is planning to implement the following pre-Super Bowl promos on this model. $500 Instant Rebate to $3499.00 from Jan 29-Feb 11 ".

Just FYI ! :)

anidabi 10-09-2017 09:26 PM

So no upgrade to hw65es projector this year?

Frohlich 10-10-2017 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anidabi (Post 54928248)
So no upgrade to hw65es projector this year?

Correct, the HW65 is still a current model and sounds like it will be for at least another year as no replacement was named at CEDIA when all the other new models came out. I have honestly really enjoyed the HW65 projector but will be listing it here on AVS within the next week as I have a Sony 385 on pre-order.

dummedanne 11-07-2017 01:06 AM

Calibrated vpl-HW65es. Does this looks ok?
 
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I calibrated my hw65 this weekend and wanted your opinions on the result.


Its in my living room with gray walls and White ceiling.


Does this look ok, or should i make adjustments?

dummedanne 11-07-2017 01:26 AM

forgot to write that im using a Euroscreen React high contrast screen since its not a batcave. 86".

normstow 12-22-2017 02:07 PM

I am considering replacing my VW100 Ruby with the HW65ES. The VW100 seems dull after looking at my Samsung 4K television. Will I notice a big difference by upgrading the projector or is the difference minor.

Redix 03-30-2018 08:45 AM

Sony VPL-HW65, requesting feedback on projection distortion
 
Hi everyone,

I recently acquired a Sony VPL-HW65.
This is my first projector so I'm still quite inexperienced with the tech.
I was wondering if some of you more experienced users could give me feedback on my projection setup?

As you can see in the picture below, the lower part of the projection is definitely a little distorted and arched.
I think it is mostly visible when looking at the windows taskbar in the second image.
The top part of the projection is also narrower than the bottom part.From what I've read this is called the keystone effect?
I was wondering if this is normal?

https://i.imgur.com/cnf0k9f.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zUOzgk6.jpg


Regarding the setup, I've used the integrated Lens Shift to shift the projection as low as possible (to fit with the screen on the wall).
The optic is definitely being pushed to the extreme by the lens shift, which certainly contributes to this effect.
However, even when I shift the projection back up where the optic is in a more "neutral/central" position, I still notice a distortion in the lower part (although to a lesser degree).

https://i.imgur.com/Z65NMcO.jpg

The store tells me that this effect is unavoidable as it even happens on their 4k Sony projector?
Could you confirm that this is true?

I would appreciate any feedback.Thank you very much in advance!


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