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post #61 of 160 Old 09-07-2016, 04:16 AM
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The web projection-homecinema.fr has announced at IFA 2015, namely September 1, 2016 at 13:00 (CET), Sony will launch its new VPL-VW550ES (European nomenclature).

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/...y-vpl-vw550es/

So that it explains the news, and as many suspected, this new projector will be released to 'cover' the shortcomings of the problematic model VPL-VW520ES (665ES in USA), which has proven to be one of the worst manufactured projectors in the journey of Sony in this sector.

Thus, and as indicated by the news, it is expected that the 550ES model solve all failures 520ES (665ES) in reference to the low light with content HDR, problems colorimetry with HDR, color profile REC2020, failures with fluctuation lamp, noise in the first 30 minutes of operation, etc., etc.

All failures indicated in the model 520ES (665ES) could not be solved with the different updates Sony has been taking during 2016.
Moreover, Sony blamed Samsung blame the poor quality playback of content from discs HDR UHD Blu-ray in the UBD-K8500 player, claiming that it did not meet the standards HDR.

It is clear that Sony has deceived buyers a huge amount of money was spent, which are now as your projector 520ES (665ES) is completely obsolete, especially for playing BD UHD content with HDR.

Will they 520ES users (665ES) something about it?

Ideally file a joint complaint to Sony to show them that feel cheated by the brand.

What is clear is that having taken the new VPL-VW550ES model, Sony is admitting that he goofed with the VPL-VW520ES.


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Interesting so does this mean the current us models the 365 and the 665 will shift down in price making this the top of the line, or will the current 365 be replaced as well? any idea feedback or insights.
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Interesting so does this mean the current us models the 365 and the 665 will shift down in price making this the top of the line, or will the current 365 be replaced as well? any idea feedback or insights.
365 (320 in Europe) remains untouched in their 2016/17 line. Only 665 gets an update (520 -> 550 in Europe).

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Thanks for the response no on the model line up. Do you know of there will be an msrp shift?
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Eh, if the Sony VPL 520 ES was the worst projector ever made by Sony, then why is it receiving raving reviews pretty much everywhere? Not saying it's not true, but then those reviews smell bought out which is even uglier.
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Eh, I'm a little lost with the technical mumbo jumbo in here. As a gamer I'm interested in 4k at 60FPS. I imagine this was not supported in previous 4k projectors? Is it supported now?
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All we know is that the HDMI chips in the 550 are the newest version and should indeed be able to handle 4K/60. But wait for reviews to be sure Sony implemented this correctly.
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Thanks for the response no on the model line up. Do you know of there will be an msrp shift?
You may get a good deal on the discontinued 520/665. The MSRP of the 320 seems unchanged in Europe and the 550 is expected to have the same UVP/MSRP as the 520 used to have. "Real" 4K continues to be expensive … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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You may get a good deal on the discontinued 520/665. The MSRP of the 320 seems unchanged in Europe and the 550 is expected to have the same UVP/MSRP as the 520 used to have. "Real" 4K continues to be expensive … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If there are so many competitors on the market next year, I would expect it to be the last year where 4k is expensive.
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Who do you expect to release real 4K projectors next year? Let alone affordable ones?

This year, the only non-Sony real 4K projector is the JVC Z1 @35K Euros
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I was looking at the 320 but did not want to buy if prices were dropping in 30-45 days or it was being replaced. Now do the color and the non 18gb hdmi really kill the deal for me... Too many choices but not enough competition to allow me to go elsewhere.
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Who do you expect to release real 4K projectors next year? Let alone affordable ones?

This year, the only non-Sony real 4K projector is the JVC Z1 @35K Euros
I'm not expecting to see any surprises at CEDIA 4K projector wise, but I guess you never know. I am excited to see the new JVC.
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Sony presented at IFA its new VPL-VW550ES pojector

There is a bunch of 4K DLP coming in the same price range as the 550 from what I have read, we will see how they perform.


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Well the 550 is still out of my league. If I buy the 365 and want to use it for a long while at the end of the day what does the hdmi issue cost me? Real issue may not be till the next thing happens and it runs over the 10gb I assume.
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There is a bunch of 4K DLP coming in the same price range as the 550 from what I have read, we will see how they perform.


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AFAIK those will not be "real" 4K projectors. The chips will be more like 2,5K with some sort of e-shifting/-enhancement.

Also, at this point no-one expects these machines to have competitive on/off contrast.
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AFAIK those will not be "real" 4K projectors. The chips will be more like 2,5K with some sort of e-shifting/-enhancement.

True, the 4K DLPs will not have the exact same amount of pixels, but supposedly apply some "wobulation" technique which - according to eye-witnesses at ISE 2016 - yields a much better 4K picture than JVC's E-shift technique.


Besides, with both JVC and Sony the panels need to be aligned in absolutely perfect convergence, while any DLP's Digital Micromirror Device features perfect pixel convergence.


And last but not least it depends on the projector's lens quality whether you can see all the 4K detail.


I'm curious to see 4K DLP in front projector action.

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Also, at this point no-one expects these machines to have competitive on/off contrast.

True. Yet I read somewhere that Texas Instruments claimed that the new 0.67 inch 4K DMD for consumer / prosumer applications has an improved tilt angle of the mirrors, which supposedly should positively affect contrast and black level reproduction.


I'm afraid that's not really going to happen, but unless I've seen it, I give TI the benefit of a doubt.

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Does anybody knows the native contrast of both 320 and 520? I might go for the 550 if the native contrast is significantly better than my 320 (that's why I'm asking about a comparison between the *20). I know that the dynamic contrast has been slightly improved.


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Does anybody knows the native contrast of both 320 and 520? I might go for the 550 if the native contrast is significantly better than my 320 (that's why I'm asking about a comparison between the *20). I know that the dynamic contrast has been slightly improved.


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The 320 has been measure close to 10000:1, the 520 measure 18000:1 up to 21000:1 (depend on the report). Also, the 520 have a dynamic iris that work pretty well that help to get a better contrast. With the iris, the perceived contrast is in the 30000:1 to 40000:1

I have a friend who own a VW300, it's a good machine but the 520 really make a big step foward in native and dynamic contrast. Black on the 520 are noticeably blaker than on the VW300.
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The 320 has been measure close to 10000:1, the 520 measure 18000:1 up to 21000:1 (depend on the report). Also, the 520 have a dynamic iris that work pretty well that help to get a better contrast. With the iris, the perceived contrast is in the 30000:1 to 40000:1



I have a friend who own a VW300, it's a good machine but the 520 really make a big step foward in native and dynamic contrast. Black on the 520 are noticeably blaker than on the VW300.


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Hello together,


we just released our first Test of the new VW550 with al the results we could gather so far:


http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projek...w550_test3.htm




As usual in german language, but: If you have any furher questions you can directly contact us now in our new Facebook Group (Cine4Home V.I.P. Lounge)


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we just released our first Test of the new VW550 with al the results we could gather so far:


http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projek...w550_test3.htm




As usual in german language, but: If you have any furher questions you can directly contact us now in our new Facebook Group (Cine4Home V.I.P. Lounge)


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Thanks. Me tempted to upgrade my 320.


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For what i inferred the Sony top pj in the USA will be the vpl 665 with the update. But the better contrast an sharper upscale require more than a firmware, and the 665 will not benefit of it. So the 550 will be better (supposedly) than the 665. To have the full implements one will have to go with the 650. Is that it?
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True, the 4K DLPs will not have the exact same amount of pixels, but supposedly apply some "wobulation" technique which - according to eye-witnesses at ISE 2016 - yields a much better 4K picture than JVC's E-shift technique.


Besides, with both JVC and Sony the panels need to be aligned in absolutely perfect convergence, while any DLP's Digital Micromirror Device features perfect pixel convergence.


And last but not least it depends on the projector's lens quality whether you can see all the 4K detail.


I'm curious to see 4K DLP in front projector action.




True. Yet I read somewhere that Texas Instruments claimed that the new 0.67 inch 4K DMD for consumer / prosumer applications has an improved tilt angle of the mirrors, which supposedly should positively affect contrast and black level reproduction.


I'm afraid that's not really going to happen, but unless I've seen it, I give TI the benefit of a doubt.
Yeah, but 10 to 20% improvement is not enough, when DLP needs 200% to 300% to be competitive.

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Eh, I'm a little lost with the technical mumbo jumbo in here. As a gamer I'm interested in 4k at 60FPS. I imagine this was not supported in previous 4k projectors? Is it supported now?
I am certainly gaming at 4K60Hz on the 320 right now.

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I am certainly gaming at 4K60Hz on the 320 right now.


Supported at 8 bit. But heard that the Xbox One S only outputs 4K at 10 bit which is a problem for 320/520 users. Someone can confirm?


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I saw the 3 new 4K projectors at IFA (well 2 4K and the EPOSN e-shift). First of all the setup and the demo offered by Sony was really poor (white walls, small screen, no major details or info). In comparison of the setup offered bu EPSON or JVC (a real cinema for 25 people, 4m cinemascope ) really sucks !!
Comparing the EPSON 9300 with the 550, I notice a stroger noise in the EPSON but probably a better algorithm for the upscaling.
They confirm that the 550 is not able to handle 10 bits at 50/60 4:4:4. They said 4:2:2 .... docs say 4:2:0 ... still messy !!

I think I will go for the EPSON as bridge for 3-4 years and see ..


The JVC was amazing, the optic wonderful, but the price ...
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First of all the setup and the demo offered by Sony was really poor (white walls, small screen, no major details or info). ...
They confirm that the 550 is not able to handle 10 bits at 50/60 4:4:4. They said 4:2:2 .... docs say 4:2:0 ... still messy !!

I think I will go for the EPSON as bridge for 3-4 years and see .

Agreed, the Sony setup was really disappointing compared to the two previous years.


My presenter didn't seem to be know all the technical details, so I wouldn't base my purchase decision just on that.

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So in other words, maybe it's time to sell my lovely 520 because it seems to be a totally useless brick now when the new 550 coming on the market. I only have about 100 hours on the lamp, but I do not know if I can afford to upgrade me to a 550 depending on what I can get for my so, so old 520? So maybe i have to realize that I have to sell now so I can get as much as possible for my already old 520 that is not very up to standard today, apparently ... "sad but true"

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You just have to fix an acceptable "upgrade price" for you. Mine would be 2'000 bucks I think.


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All this upgrade talk...
The small improvements they make every year doesn't warrant the bother, IMO...

I plan to wait until my 300es breaks and it's too expensive to fix and/or there is some mind blowing advance that happens that's important to me, eg FI at 2160p with out costing a mint.

That may be the new Epson with HDR, but the last time I checked their FI system wasn't that great compared to Sony's.
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So it's confirmed that it has an upgraded HDMI board capable of 18Gbps? So what about full WCG and P3 filter? i.e. will the W550ES be UltraHD Premium certified?
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