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So in other words, maybe it's time to sell my lovely 520 because it seems to be a totally useless brick now when the new 550 coming on the market. I only have about 100 hours on the lamp, but I do not know if I can afford to upgrade me to a 550 depending on what I can get for my so, so old 520? So maybe i have to realize that I have to sell now so I can get as much as possible for my already old 520 that is not very up to standard today, apparently ... "sad but true"
You are joking right?
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So in other words, maybe it's time to sell my lovely 520 because it seems to be a totally useless brick now when the new 550 coming on the market. I only have about 100 hours on the lamp, but I do not know if I can afford to upgrade me to a 550 depending on what I can get for my so, so old 520? So maybe i have to realize that I have to sell now so I can get as much as possible for my already old 520 that is not very up to standard today, apparently ... "sad but true"
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You are joking right?
No, I can't really say that I am ... all these nitpicking on such a fantastic product just makes me feel that I have had enough of this bad investment I've apparently done!? I understand that the "downsides" must be discussed in a forum like this, of course, but why so rarely do you read the opposite, the good side of the 520?
No, I have not put out to sell yet, I will wait for a proper review of the 550 until I decide how I do?

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A few days ago I finished a video about my visit at [email protected] It was amazing, but this year they presented the VW550 in a kind of livingroom.

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So what about full WCG and P3 filter?
The 550's native CS looks more like a "inflated" 709 on red and green channel, see
http://cine4home.de/tests/projektore...w550_test3.htm

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i.e. will the W550ES be UltraHD Premium certified?
Can't imagine this ... even if he accepts UHD sources, the native CS is far away from BT.2020; DCI is also problematic due to its limited green saturation.

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The 550's native CS looks more like a "inflated" 709 on red and green channel, see
http://cine4home.de/tests/projektore...w550_test3.htm

Can't imagine this ... even if he accepts UHD sources, the native CS is far away from BT.2020; DCI is also problematic due to its limited green saturation.
UHD Premium standard requires more than 93% of the DCI P3 color spectrum.

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They should have considered putting in the filter for 15K MSRP, it works excellent on the JVC's with minimal cost to lumen output. Significantly better / brighter than what was achieved with the VW1000/1100 filter.
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UHD Premium standard requires more than 93% of the DCI P3 color spectrum.

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They should have considered putting in the filter for 15K MSRP, it works excellent on the JVC's with minimal cost to lumen output. Significantly better / brighter than what was achieved with the VW1000/1100 filter.


Agreed. They should have add a filter.


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UHD Premium standard requires more than 93% of the DCI P3 color spectrum.

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They should have considered putting in the filter for 15K MSRP, it works excellent on the JVC's with minimal cost to lumen output. Significantly better / brighter than what was achieved with the VW1000/1100 filter.
Back in late 2012/early 2013 when VW600 was introduced, VW1000 owners talked about how inferior the VW600 was to the VW1000, due to the lens and the VW600 could not do DCI color space. I pointed out that I bet some people will chose to go with Rec709 color space rather than lose the 35% lumen drop that the DCI filter caused in the VW1000. Boy did that prediction come true.
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I am certainly gaming at 4K60Hz on the 320 right now.
For any of you who game on these 4k projectors at 4k/60 fps, do you notice a difference in PQ compared to 1080p/60 with about 100" screen size?

I'm at 13" from my 1080p 100" screen. According to a graph I saw, you would need to be very close to notice the 4K resolution at 100" but I'm still wondering if you guys can see a difference or not?

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For any of you who game on these 4k projectors at 4k/60 fps, do you notice a difference in PQ compared to 1080p/60 with about 100" screen size?

I'm at 13" from my 1080p 100" screen. According to a graph I saw, you would need to be very close to notice the 4K resolution at 100" but I'm still wondering if you guys can see a difference or not?

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I definitely see more detail and looks sharper.

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I definitely see more detail and looks sharper.
Good. Is it a major difference?

Also, how is the HDR on these? My guess is it's not as spectacular as on LCD or OLED TVs because the brightness can't go up as high?
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Good. Is it a major difference?

Also, how is the HDR on these? My guess is it's not as spectacular as on LCD or OLED TVs because the brightness can't go up as high?
Its personal preference, to me the difference is enough, you really need to see it for yourself to decide. HDR is pretty good for the brightness (I found it surprisingly good) I am happy with it but it could use more brightness for sure. The 520 produces the best PJ HDR currently in its category some said.

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Its personal preference, to me the difference is enough, you really need to see it for yourself to decide. HDR is pretty good for the brightness (I found it surprisingly good) I am happy with it but it could use more brightness for sure. The 520 produces the best PJ HDR currently in its category some said.
Can you take some pictures of HDR versus non HDR for the same movie or point me to a place where I can see pictures of that? I know it's not the same as seeing it in real life but better than nothing for a start.

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Can you take some pictures of HDR versus non HDR for the same movie or point me to a place where I can see pictures of that? I know it's not the same as seeing it in real life but better than nothing for a start.

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You are in luck we will be doing a JVC vs Sony 4K shootout and will take lots of photos. Will post the link here when done.

Meanwhile here are some old ones I've taken: these are HDR before any updates, its much improved now.

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Just realized this is a 550 thread so won't post it here.

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Just realized this is a 550 thread so won't post it here.
Good. Where will you post the jvc versus sony 4k pics then?

This is the lg oled chess demo. I currently have the lg oled 65" e6p and this is the best demo I have to show the blacks and hdr. It is just amazing. If these pictures are really what you see, it seems the oled is producing a way better HDR image.

The problem is that with the oled I have banding (poor uniformity) and I just found out clouding around huds in video games that pisses me off (I was told it's the tv protecting itself from burn in by reducing brightness in the static hud's area). I also look at my projector and the size matters to me. I'm pretty sure I will return it.

I suppose the uniformity on these sony 4k projector's are perfect? I know my AE4000 has perfectly uniform grey (maybe some tinting a little but nothing like vertical bands or clouding/dse).

I wonder if you can help me to know what is making the black smudge in my AE4000's projected image? I posted some pics of the problem in the AE4000 thread. If you could just take a look and give me your opinion it would be appreciated. I can't seem to remove the smudge with the compressed air dusting method like I can with regular dust blobs.

Also, do these sony 4k projector have a sealed light path to prevent dust blobs 100% or not?

Thanks for your help!
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As I said this was before any calibration and HDR updates plus the camera wasn't the best, now its a whole different story. Not sure where we are going to post the thread but possibly in the root of this directory in the over $3000.00 projector section. You can bet it will be popular

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As I said this was before any calibration and HDR updates plus the camera wasn't the best, now its a whole different story. Not sure where we are going to post the thread but possibly in the root of this directory in the over $3000.00 projector section. You can bet it will be popular
When will you do this jvc versus sony 4k comparison shootout?
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Good. Where will you post the jvc versus sony 4k pics then?

This is the lg oled chess demo. I currently have the lg oled 65" e6p and this is the best demo I have to show the blacks and hdr. It is just amazing. If these pictures are really what you see, it seems the oled is producing a way better HDR image.

The problem is that with the oled I have banding (poor uniformity) and I just found out clouding around huds in video games that pisses me off (I was told it's the tv protecting itself from burn in by reducing brightness in the static hud's area). I also look at my projector and the size matters to me. I'm pretty sure I will return it.

I suppose the uniformity on these sony 4k projector's are perfect? I know my AE4000 has perfectly uniform grey (maybe some tinting a little but nothing like vertical bands or clouding/dse).

I wonder if you can help me to know what is making the black smudge in my AE4000's projected image? I posted some pics of the problem in the AE4000 thread. If you could just take a look and give me your opinion it would be appreciated. I can't seem to remove the smudge with the compressed air dusting method like I can with regular dust blobs.

Also, do these sony 4k projector have a sealed light path to prevent dust blobs 100% or not?

Thanks for your help!
Yes, they have sealed light paths, but no on the 100% guarantee against dust blobs. DLP, LCD, SXRD nor LCOS can be 100% sealed.
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Good. Where will you post the jvc versus sony 4k pics then?

This is the lg oled chess demo. I currently have the lg oled 65" e6p and this is the best demo I have to show the blacks and hdr. It is just amazing. If these pictures are really what you see, it seems the oled is producing a way better HDR image.

The problem is that with the oled I have banding (poor uniformity) and I just found out clouding around huds in video games that pisses me off (I was told it's the tv protecting itself from burn in by reducing brightness in the static hud's area). I also look at my projector and the size matters to me. I'm pretty sure I will return it.

I suppose the uniformity on these sony 4k projector's are perfect? I know my AE4000 has perfectly uniform grey (maybe some tinting a little but nothing like vertical bands or clouding/dse).

I wonder if you can help me to know what is making the black smudge in my AE4000's projected image? I posted some pics of the problem in the AE4000 thread. If you could just take a look and give me your opinion it would be appreciated. I can't seem to remove the smudge with the compressed air dusting method like I can with regular dust blobs.

Also, do these sony 4k projector have a sealed light path to prevent dust blobs 100% or not?

Thanks for your help!
Yes, they have sealed light paths, but no on the 100% guarantee against dust blobs. DLP, LCD, SXRD nor LCOS can be 100% sealed.
So they don't have a sealed light path then? Can you elaborate why you said they have a sealed light path yet can get dust blobs anyway?

Also, how often did you get dust blobs on these sony 4k's?

Thank you for your help.
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Is this projector the same as the new VPL-VW675ES listed on Sony's Website?
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As I said this was before any calibration and HDR updates plus the camera wasn't the best, now its a whole different story. Not sure where we are going to post the thread but possibly in the root of this directory in the over $3000.00 projector section. You can bet it will be popular
BTW, how do you get that lg oled chess demo displayed in working HDR, seeing that it's 4K 10 bits 59.940 fps. What player are you using for this?

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When will you do this jvc versus sony 4k comparison shootout?
I'ts been done about 3 weeks ago

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I'd like to see the new Sony VW675( 550) shootout with the JVC RS600. OK just kidding, though I know it is inevitable that another pi$$ing
contest will happen. I'm pretty sure we all know what to expect , the reviews are pretty much spot on for the most part, when listening to non biased
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I'm interested in the 3D performance of the new VW675 as the RS600 I have now will be hard to top and that will be something I will actually be not
happy to loose should I make the switch. I don't have any reason to believe the 3D performance of the VW675 will be any better than the VW665 so
maybe someone could chime in, if you have viewed both that is.
Just watched Jungle Book 3D on the JVC RS600, phenomenal really. There was some mild ghosting though, have seen this in a few now. The calibrated
RS600 is 1700 @D65 , the Sony is 1650 @ D65 but the 675 has better ANSI so it could compensate. Anyway, more interested in the level of ghosting
as the 1100 was not great as I understand, even worst than the VW600.


Just thinking, if I don't sell the RS600, I may be doing the shootout solo with both. Would certainly be fun but not fiscally responsible nor safe once
my wife realizes there are two .
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So they don't have a sealed light path then? Can you elaborate why you said they have a sealed light path yet can get dust blobs anyway?

Also, how often did you get dust blobs on these sony 4k's?

Thank you for your help.
The light paths are called sealed, but most of them are not 100% hermetically sealed on DLP, LCOS, SXRD or DLP. Have seen a few SXRD and DLP (had a DLP with dust myself) that have gotten dust blobs. LCD light paths on the other hand are pretty open. The vast majority of dust blobs, by far, are seen in LCD projectors. A few years ago, it was so common for LCD to have dust blobs, that Sanyo designed their projector with ports for blowing out the dust.
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I know I looked at the thread, you're just a little late to reply to me here that's all!

Thank you and to Javs for that shootout!
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The light paths are called sealed, but most of them are not 100% hermetically sealed on DLP, LCOS, SXRD or DLP. Have seen a few SXRD and DLP (had a DLP with dust myself) that have gotten dust blobs. LCD light paths on the other hand are pretty open. The vast majority of dust blobs, by far, are seen in LCD projectors. A few years ago, it was so common for LCD to have dust blobs, that Sanyo designed their projector with ports for blowing out the dust.
Yes my friend had a Sanyo with the cleaning port. For me, with the AE4000 I need to open the projector and blow a air dust can near the panels. More of a hassle but not too bad.

A more sealed projector would be better though.

Thanks for the explanation!
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I'd like to see the new Sony VW675( 550) shootout with the JVC RS600. OK just kidding, though I know it is inevitable that another pi$$ing
contest will happen. I'm pretty sure we all know what to expect , the reviews are pretty much spot on for the most part, when listening to non biased
reviews that is.
I'm interested in the 3D performance of the new VW675 as the RS600 I have now will be hard to top and that will be something I will actually be not
happy to loose should I make the switch. I don't have any reason to believe the 3D performance of the VW675 will be any better than the VW665 so
maybe someone could chime in, if you have viewed both that is.
Just watched Jungle Book 3D on the JVC RS600, phenomenal really. There was some mild ghosting though, have seen this in a few now. The calibrated
RS600 is 1700 @D65 , the Sony is 1650 @ D65 but the 675 has better ANSI so it could compensate. Anyway, more interested in the level of ghosting
as the 1100 was not great as I understand, even worst than the VW600.


Just thinking, if I don't sell the RS600, I may be doing the shootout solo with both. Would certainly be fun but not fiscally responsible nor safe once
my wife realizes there are two .
I am in a bit of dilemma myself upgrade path wise. The 675 looks very tempting but I really want to go laser this time. I am a little tired of lamp based issues.
Funny I used the same word "phenomenal" when watched Jungle book on the Sony. I observed very minimal crosstalk as well. That movie is well mastered. I think due to the contrast of the RS600 its hard to beat when it comes to 3D depth.

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I am in a bit of dilemma myself upgrade path wise. The 675 looks very tempting but I really want to go laser this time. I am a little tired of lamp based issues.
Funny I used the same word "phenomenal" when watched Jungle book on the Sony. I observed very minimal crosstalk as well. That movie is well mastered. I think due to the contrast of the RS600 its hard to beat when it comes to 3D depth.
At this level, any of these projectors are going to look good, if set up right that is .

Laser is another level of pricing that is going to cost big time. The only affordable one that I know of is the Epson and the specs on that
one just won't suffice for me, particularly the lack of brightness. Even the RS600 I have now is on that ragged edge of "just" enough for 3D , anything less would not work . Next level above this is the JVC4500
which would be a perfect fit for me in every way but the price is not . My budget maximum right now would be the VW675ES, if it had 2500 lumens and the 18gbps boards I would be happy enough with a lamp
and happy enough to pay extra for those features. OK, full P3, can't forget that one . There's a BIG gap between the JVC RS600, Sony VW675ES and the new JVC Z1 4500, the VW1100 is gone. My guess is
we will be seeing something to fill that gap in the next year and I want to know what that will be now!

The 675ES is more of a lateral move at this point but one that I will likely embrace . The number one feature of the Sony is the calmer, more natural picture that does not appear to be digitally excited all the time.
I watched 4K version of Independence day last night, spent most of my time trying to eliminate the background noise. In the end I had a very, very good handle on this, much better than before. If I can tweak this a
little more it might be good enough for me to leave well enough alone .

Thanks for the feedback with 3D on your 320 , I expect the 675 will be as good especially with the increased contrast . 3D on the JVC is good and the contrast increase over my previous is what makes this so much better. Ghosting is still there
but very subtle and minimal. Didn't notice the ghosting first because I was so focused on the other aspects, but once I settled down I notice the levels are about the same as my previous, which was pretty darn good.

The JVC RS600 is an awesome projector, even if I hold on I will be more than happy until I see what will fill the BIG price gap.

Oh, btw almost forgot, the 675/550 also has DI in HDR , also a nice little feature bonus.

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The JVC RS600 is an awesome projector, even if I hold on I will be more than happy until I see what will fill the BIG price gap.

Oh, btw almost forgot, the 675/550 also has DI in HDR , also a nice little feature bonus.
that will be helpful since it only has 1/3 the native of the RS600 wide open.

no 18Gbps, no full P3. I hope you are getting a great deal on it, likely some nice updates this time next year.
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