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post #661 of 1342 Old 05-19-2017, 07:39 AM
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Nice setup. What size screen is that PF?


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I just installed an LS10500 on Tuesday. Frankly, I had my doubts about how much better it would be than the $25,000 LS10d it was replacing - it's not real 4K, for one thing! - but I was dead wrong. The improvement was absolutely dramatic…over what was once thought of as a pretty good DLP projector.



The LS10500 image quality was a large step up in sharpness, color depth and richness, contrast and brightness. It was easy to see with blu ray disks, of course, but all of us were so surprised at how much it improved regular HD cable and satellite TV. It was immensely satisfying.



Plus, the idea that the image will never dim as it does with lamp-based projectors as the bulb ages is so, well, freeing. Use it all the time just like a TV! Presumably, the image and brightness we experienced is the same image we’ll see 10 years from now at the 14,000 hour mark (assuming 4 hour per day usage, 7 days per week, 52 weeks per year).



One more thing about the LS10500. It's packed beautifully and in such a way that it's easy to remove the projector from the inner carton. And the packing is designed so that it's simple to keep the protective plastic clear wrap on the front and back of the projector while you attach it to the ceiling mount.



In case you've forgotten, the projector comes with a top notch Chief CHF3500 ceiling mount which enables simple, surprisingly quick mounting of the LS10500. All in all, very, very well thought out by Epson.



I've attached a few photos of the install in case you're interested. The microphones you see in some of the photos were placed there by a JBL factory acoustic technician who was doing a full calibration of the existing Synthesis sound system. The service is not inexpensive and the lead time is approximately 4 weeks. But even on an almost 10-year old system like this one, it's worth every cent.



Like the picture, the sound was immensely improved. You could hear it immediately just with dialogue, but the full surround effect was truly mesmerizing on a good disk such as Master and Commander, the main test disk. Highly recommended if you have a Synthesis system and are in a position to purchase the factory calibration. By the time JBL was done, this was one of the best dialed-in rooms I've ever heard.


Since I'm leaning heavily towards this projector it all sounds good.


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Good catch. The photos are not indicative of the final set up. And we will return to make adjustments next week.
Nice looking theater, and a great projector choice !

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Calibration LS10500

Well, Chad was here today and after many many hours adjusting LS10500 it turned out better than i expected, especially HDR, it did get to a really different level with Panny 900.
I really want a thank Chad here and first time i met him and seeing his work and dedicated himself to perfection truly appreciated.
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Well, Chad was here today and after many many hours adjusting LS10500 it turned out better than i expected, especially HDR, it did get to a really different level with Panny 900.
I really want a thank Chad here and first time i met him and seeing his work and dedicated himself to perfection truly appreciated.
That's so awesome Salacak! I know you will enjoy that puppy for years to come! It's nice that with the laser you don't have to worry about recalibrating really.

Any chance you (or anyone else reading!) would mind putting in my custom settings below my signature for the LS10000 and reporting back your thoughts on how well it works on the newer HDR capable LS10500? You should be able to do that without affecting your calibration at all. I really need to know if the 10 bit and other improvements on the LS10500 make enough of a difference to spend the extra for it over the 10K. Thanks in advance if you are willing to!
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That's so awesome Salacak! I know you will enjoy that puppy for years to come! It's nice that with the laser you don't have to worry about recalibrating really.

Any chance you (or anyone else reading!) would mind putting in my custom settings below my signature for the LS10000 and reporting back your thoughts on how well it works on the newer HDR capable LS10500? You should be able to do that without affecting your calibration at all. I really need to know if the 10 bit and other improvements on the LS10500 make enough of a difference to spend the extra for it over the 10K. Thanks in advance if you are willing to!
I think you should ask Chad, he did LS10000 in the past and knows the differences, he might put some info out here for LS10500 anyway.
HDR made a huge difference, after calibration i saw big improvement on HDR with Panasonic UB900, colors and everything else pure beauty (still kept Panny HD adjustment to +5-6 range).
Directv also looks really good, obviously depends on which channel you looking at (between channels PQ differences are huge).
I'm more than happy with LS10500 but again i didn't have PJ in the past and nothing to compare for me.
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I think you should ask Chad, he did LS10000 in the past and knows the differences, he might put some info out here for LS10500 anyway.
HDR made a huge difference, after calibration i saw big improvement on HDR with Panasonic UB900, colors and everything else pure beauty (still kept Panny HD adjustment to +5-6 range).
Directv also looks really good, obviously depends on which channel you looking at (between channels PQ differences are huge).
I'm more than happy with LS10500 but again i didn't have PJ in the past and nothing to compare for me.
I don't think he has time for that and many scientific purists don't even take the time to check into things like this artistic masterpiece!

It literally would take you all of 5 minutes to setup. It is super simple, but if you don't want to that is fine.
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Would anyone that has an LS10500 and a Panasonic UB900/700 be able to test something for me real quick?

Can you set the UB900 to RGB (Standard) Mode output instead of a YCbCr output and set HDR to AUTO and send it to the LS10500 and tell me what the projector gets on its HDMI input? I'm looking to see if it allows the UB900 to send RGB HDR bt2020 10 bit. On the LS10000 it only sends RGB SDR bt709 8 bit and I'm seeing if since the LS10500 does HDR, if it allows this.

Thanks in advance. It should be a quick and easy test.
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What is the native contrast ratio of the LS10500? does it compare with the JVC's?
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12000 to 30000: 1 depending on the zoom or iris position.

Epson EH-LS10500 measurements:http://www.filedropper.com/img003
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Ok thanks pretty good compared to the 5040/6040


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I am considering buying this projector. Can anyone tell me about it's 3D performance? Does it do 60hz per eye to cut down on flicker like the rest of the Epson projectors?
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I am considering buying this projector. Can anyone tell me about it's 3D performance? Does it do 60hz per eye to cut down on flicker like the rest of the Epson projectors?
It's got the same 480hz solution as the LS10000:


There's no flicker whatsoever.

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It's got the same 480hz solution as the LS10000:


There's no flicker whatsoever.
Splendid. Thank you.
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This PJ looks great. Are there other brands of laser PJ in this price range?
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This PJ looks great. Are there other brands of laser PJ in this price range?
Some DLP's coming, but I would pick the Epson over them, based on what I have read so far.
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The LS10500 will give you a lot more contrast and flexibility with placement.
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Can someone who owns the Epson 10500 answer a question for me?

I live at 8000 feet of elevation. Does the Epson 10500 have a high altitude mode that is required to be switched on above 3000 feet? Also how does the fan noise sound compared to the fan on low and on high when in High Altitude mode?

It has always been a problem buying good projectors that don't sound like jet engines when in High Altitude mode. So far only Sony seems to make bulb projectors with acceptable noise in High Altitude mode.

I had assumed that laser projectors would be quieter, now having heard from Mike and others about laser fan noise, I am not so sure.
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Can someone who owns the Epson 10500 answer a question for me?

I live at 8000 feet of elevation. Does the Epson 10500 have a high altitude mode that is required to be switched on above 3000 feet? Also how does the fan noise sound compared to the fan on low and on high when in High Altitude mode?

It has always been a problem buying good projectors that don't sound like jet engines when in High Altitude mode. So far only Sony seems to make bulb projectors with acceptable noise in High Altitude mode.

I had assumed that laser projectors would be quieter, now having heard from Mike and others about laser fan noise, I am not so sure.
I own it's predecessor - the LS10000 - and it has a High Altitude Mode, which means this - which basically is the same projector, but with HDR mode - has it as well - that I can guarantee.

Since I live in Stockholm, Sweden I don't use it though, but I'm pretty sure that it won't sound like a jet engine, since I don't even notice* the fans when they run in high mode watching 3D movies (or watch in faux HDR mode), even though the projector is right over my head.

* - OK - if I really concentrate on hearing the fans in high energy mode, I hear them, but otherwise I really don't.

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I own it's predecessor - the LS10000 - and it has a High Altitude Mode, which means this - which basically is the same projector, but with HDR mode - has it as well - that I can guarantee.

Since I live in Stockholm, Sweden I don't use it though, but I'm pretty sure that it won't sound like a jet engine, since I don't even notice* the fans when they run in high mode watching 3D movies (or watch in faux HDR mode), even though the projector is right over my head.

* - OK - if I really concentrate on hearing the fans in high energy mode, I hear them, but otherwise I really don't.
Can you measure the DB noise with a free app on your phone?
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Can someone who owns the Epson 10500 answer a question for me?

I live at 8000 feet of elevation. Does the Epson 10500 have a high altitude mode that is required to be switched on above 3000 feet? Also how does the fan noise sound compared to the fan on low and on high when in High Altitude mode?

It has always been a problem buying good projectors that don't sound like jet engines when in High Altitude mode. So far only Sony seems to make bulb projectors with acceptable noise in High Altitude mode.

I had assumed that laser projectors would be quieter, now having heard from Mike and others about laser fan noise, I am not so sure.
If you use the low or middle lamp altitude mode you will not have any problems.
In high lamp + altitude mode if it can be annoying.
On the other hand in high lamp moves so much air that I doubt that the altitude mode is necessary although it lives in a very high place.

I measured my unit with rew, calibrated microphone and one meter (40 '') away.
Minimum noise measurable in my room 46.9db.
Eco: 47.6 // Medium: 48,8 // High: 49,6 // High + altitude mode: 52,2
As it is difficult to measure a sound so close to the background noise, I repeated the measurement at 20cm (0.3 '').
Eco: 51,3db // Medium: 52,2 // High: 53,8 // High + altitude mode: 57,6db

These are minimum measurements recorded in 2 minute sessions per mode.
The maxims and the average should not be taken into account since we are not in an anechoic room and for that reason I only show the minimums.
Apply a positive correction of 1.5db to compensate the oscillation of the meter and will have measures more adjusted to the real world.

Epson EH-LS10500 measurements:http://www.filedropper.com/img003

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If you use the low or middle lamp altitude mode you will not have any problems.
In high lamp + altitude mode if it can be annoying.
On the other hand in high lamp moves so much air that I doubt that the altitude mode is necessary although it lives in a very high place.

I measured my unit with rew, calibrated microphone and one meter (40 '') away.
Minimum noise measurable in my room 46.9db.
Eco: 47.6 // Medium: 48,8 // High: 49,6 // High + altitude mode: 52,2
As it is difficult to measure a sound so close to the background noise, I repeated the measurement at 20cm (0.3 '').
Eco: 51,3db // Medium: 52,2 // High: 53,8 // High + altitude mode: 57,6db

These are minimum measurements recorded in 2 minute sessions per mode.
The maxims and the average should not be taken into account since we are not in an anechoic room and for that reason I only show the minimums.
Apply a positive correction of 1.5db to compensate the oscillation of the meter and will have measures more adjusted to the real world.
Your room is noisy as hell
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The LS10500 will give you a lot more contrast and flexibility with placement.
When you say placement flexibility, does that include putting it closer to the screen? I have a 14' screen, and only 13.4' lens to screen to work with. Using ProjectorCentral's calculator I can't make the LS10k fill the screen.

I know about light-bending with a first-surface mirror; I am the one who developed that innovation in 2008. (and the lightweight DIY MegaScreen) But now I have cabinets on either side of the projector.
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This projector is at the top of my list.

But, I'm concerned about getting it in the next few months and then Epson releasing a similar laser projector with true 4K or the new TI chip. Lots of 4K projectors hitting the market and hoping Epson will respond.

If I spend 8K on this I'll keep it until it dies.


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When you say placement flexibility, does that include putting it closer to the screen? I have a 14' screen, and only 13.4' lens to screen to work with. Using ProjectorCentral's calculator I can't make the LS10k fill the screen.

I know about light-bending with a first-surface mirror; I am the one who developed that innovation in 2008. (and the lightweight DIY MegaScreen) But now I have cabinets on either side of the projector.
With a 14 foot screen, that is awfully close to mount a projector. What projector were you using before?
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This projector is at the top of my list.

But, I'm concerned about getting it in the next few months and then Epson releasing a similar laser projector with true 4K or the new TI chip. Lots of 4K projectors hitting the market and hoping Epson will respond.

If I spend 8K on this I'll keep it until it dies.


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I would be shocked if Epson purchased TI's chip, since Epson is not in the custom of purchasing their light engines from others.
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I would be shocked if Epson purchased TI's chip, since Epson is not in the custom of purchasing their light engines from others.


New to projectors and wasn't aware that everything was in house with Epson. Hopefully they come out with a 4k laser option in my price range before I need to make a decision.

I may still get this one or perhaps the 5040 to tide me over until they do.


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New to projectors and wasn't aware that everything was in house with Epson. Hopefully they come out with a 4k laser option in my price range before I need to make a decision.

I may still get this one or perhaps the 5040 to tide me over until they do.


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I would love to be shocked, but I am not expecting a 4K laser projector from Epson, this fall.
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I think they have to or they will lose market share to DLP. Sony and Epson both need lower end true 4K products soon.
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