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I’m traveling for work but can recheck the numbers tomorrow night and post updates.


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And if possible, please post HDR mode settings too (the ones you use when selecting HDR mode 1 in signal settings). Thanks!
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Probably a Lumagen or UDP player to strip HDR data and map to SDR

An HDCP stripper.

And one of these

http://smartavi.com/products/video-w...e/4k-wall.html

WoofWoofWoofWoofVision (tm)
Patent pending
I'd shorten it to something like QuadWoofVision!

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Hi Ryan, thanks for posting these. Can you please clarify how we are supposed to enter this info? The numbers from the first photo of the calibration report are different than what’s showing in the following 3 photos of gamma, RGB, color saturation, etc. Which settings superscede the others? Thanks!
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Oh my, it sounds like I may have sent the wrong report Ryan! I have tons on your LS10500 because I had it before you and then did many different versions while I was experimenting and testing WoofWoofWoofWoofVisi.......no I mean HarperVision.

Let me go back through and find the latest that match. Doh!
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No pro review here, but still extremely satisfied casual owner for 8 months now.

I feed it mostly UHD Atmos from Vudu, and without Atmos from Netflix and Amazon on the Roku Premiere+. The UB900 takes care of the reference discs, I will only purchase any 4k titles rated above 4.7 starts for UHD on blu-ray.com.

We are amazed by the PQ, pixel shifting at its best, last night watched Stephen King's It remake
and I am still very surpised the kids did not have nightmares Ah those blacks, and the black level detail in the dark scenes were great.

I did a movie marathon a few days ago and put my hands all over the chassis, some parts were only lukewarm
to the touch, most were cold.

Sound levels are very decent, machine right above main seating position is only audible during startup.

Will replace it when native 3 laser 8K projectors come about in ten years.
I share the exact same feelings with you, 7-8 months owning this beauty. PQ just excellent and no worries about bulbs lifespan or degrading brightness etc.
I watch everything with it like i was with TV's. Also Directv has two 4K channels when i turn those channels Epson accepts those channels 4K signals and displays amazing looking pictures (Even it's not real 4K you can tell the differences between HD versus 4K on this PJ) .
Very happy with this PJ and with 110 screen, whatever you are watching turns out a real treat.
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New Firmware v1.02
https://epson.com/Support/wa00805

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Any release notes on what was updated?

I just had my projector mounted last week and calibrated today.

Looking at their site, do I really need a laptop connected to the projector to update the firmware?


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Actually I posted this in the wrong thread. I have the LS10000.


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Actually I posted this in the wrong thread. I have the LS10000.


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You need to use the “USB flash drive” instructions to update the LS10000 and, I assume, the LS10500. Note that the LS10000 firmware hasn’t updated in quite a while (1.31 is still the latest).
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The instructions linked on the FW page tell you to use a USB cable to hook up to a laptop and have the update file "on the root of the removable drive". I found them really confusing, would a USB flash drive not work?

Anyone find any release notes on what was changed?
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The instructions linked on the FW page tell you to use a USB cable to hook up to a laptop and have the update file "on the root of the removable drive". I found them really confusing, would a USB flash drive not work?

Anyone find any release notes on what was changed?
Yes, use USB flash drive.
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What was improved?

JVC RS620/X9500 in bat cave Anthem MRX-720 + 3xpower amps = 7.1.4, Martin Logan Motion 60XT fronts, ML FX rears, ML Motion 50XT centre, 4 x ML Motion 2 on ceiling Atmos, ML Balanced force 210 as the beast. Panasonic UB900, STAX-3170 earspeakers, HTPC, PS4, PS3, Amiga 500 etc..Epson LS10000 calibration and WCG SDR settings: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...l#post50298297
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I have updated firmware of my 10.5k to v1.02 last night. It seems that the major improvements relate to HDR settings and should be very similar to the recent update of the 8300/9300/5040/6040 series. Two bright modes under HDR are now available for selection i.e. Auto (Bright) and Auto.

Conducted some initial tests using the 4K Blue Planet II ch 2 "the deep" watched recently (settings digital cinema, auto bright, gamma 0), obviously the image is now brighter with more strength. I am quite happy with this update.
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The response I received from Epson regarding the 1.02 patch:

"Firmware ver 1.02 improves the over all brightness in the HDR settings."
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The response I received from Epson regarding the 1.02 patch:

"Firmware ver 1.02 improves the over all brightness in the HDR settings."
I guess that is what you would say for an HDR mode, without the DCI P3 filter in place.
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I guess that is what you would say for an HDR mode, without the DCI P3 filter in place.
Could you elaborate?
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Could you elaborate?
If it is doing what the 5040 does, then it is allowing you to do HDR without the DCI P3 color filter in place. That way it is brighter, but displaying a smaller color space. JVC has this same feature in their current line (with or without filter). This method usually allows the projector to display around 87% of DCI color, but with more light output. Soy's VW285, VW385, VW675 and VW885 do not even have the DCI P3 color filter. The Sony's are set up this way from the start.
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Could you elaborate?
If it is doing what the 5040 does, then it is allowing you to do HDR without the DCI P3 color filter in place. That way it is brighter, but displaying a smaller color space. JVC has this same feature in their current line (with or without filter). This method usually allows the projector to display around 87% of DCI color, but with more light output. Soy's VW285, VW385, VW675 and VW885 do not even have the DCI P3 color filter. The Sony's are set up this way from the start.
The DCI P3 color filter is still very much in place with Digital Cinema selected after the V1.02 update. You can very much see the difference with this enhanced color space, and you also hear the filter slide into and out of place.

I?ve tried other Color Modes for HDR to increase brightness before the 1.02 update, but none come anywhere close to offering the P3 color space that is instantly evident when using Digital Cinema. Interestingly, the same 4K UHD content has a noticeably increased perceived resolution in Digital Cinema as compared to any of the other color modes - the images look razor sharp and crystal clear.

My projector has been mounted and active since October 2017. It came with firmware 1.01 and already had an HDR ?Auto Bright? mode that would select HDR1. However, I found this to be too dark for use with Digital Cinema before the 1.02 update. Now, this mode is a true thing of beauty.

Long story short, DCI P3 filter is definitely still in place in Digital Cinema in v1.02 and this provides a starkly better picture when displaying 4k HDR content than any other setting the projector has.
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I share the same observations as Gassynizz, DCI P3 filter is still there when selecting Digital Cinema Auto Bright mode (filter is removed under Bright Cinema mode for an even brighter image). It seems that the image under this mode looks better, I would conduct more tests.
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The DCI P3 color filter is still very much in place with Digital Cinema selected after the V1.02 update. You can very much see the difference with this enhanced color space, and you also hear the filter slide into and out of place.

I?ve tried other Color Modes for HDR to increase brightness before the 1.02 update, but none come anywhere close to offering the P3 color space that is instantly evident when using Digital Cinema. Interestingly, the same 4K UHD content has a noticeably increased perceived resolution in Digital Cinema as compared to any of the other color modes - the images look razor sharp and crystal clear.

My projector has been mounted and active since October 2017. It came with firmware 1.01 and already had an HDR ?Auto Bright? mode that would select HDR1. However, I found this to be too dark for use with Digital Cinema before the 1.02 update. Now, this mode is a true thing of beauty.

Long story short, DCI P3 filter is definitely still in place in Digital Cinema in v1.02 and this provides a starkly better picture when displaying 4k HDR content than any other setting the projector has.
Read my post that you replied to. You have a choice, HDR with or without filter. Without filter gives you smaller color space but more brightness. This is the same feature that the 5040 has, along with the 540, 640 and 4500.
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I share the same observations as Gassynizz, DCI P3 filter is still there when selecting Digital Cinema Auto Bright mode (filter is removed under Bright Cinema mode for an even brighter image). It seems that the image under this mode looks better, I would conduct more tests.
I did not say the filter was removed, so not sure what you are agreeing to. I said you have a choice, with or without filter.
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I did not say the filter was removed, so not sure what you are agreeing to. I said you have a choice, with or without filter.
I am just saying that the DCI P3 is still in place under the Digital Cinema Auto Bright mode.
If we need a brighter picture without filter, we can select the Bright Cinema mode.
Yes, we have two choices. There is no conflict between your comments and mine.
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Read my post that you replied to. You have a choice, HDR with or without filter. Without filter gives you smaller color space but more brightness. This is the same feature that the 5040 has, along with the 540, 640 and 4500.
You are correct sir, I comingeled your post with the previous user who mentioned using Digital Cinema and auto bright with the new 1.02 firmware. I mistakingly took your statement to say the P3 filter was no longer in place in Digital Cinema - my mistake.

I will say that only in these online AV forums have I seen it discussed that the only way to fully take advantage of the projector?s full P3 capabilities is to use the filter with the Digital Cinema color mode. Epson?s own documentation doesn?t mention this. So I think the more this is stated, the better it is for users searching to get the most out of their machines.
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Are these the correct instructions? File dated 2013:

https://files.support.epson.com/doci...12530500en.pdf

Everything is so cryptic, no link to any firmware on the projector's US support site.

To recap:

1. Remove power cable.
2. Plug flash drive into mini-USB port with adapter.
3. Hold power button and plug the cable back while holding it.
4. Release power button when status lights come on.

Can someone confirm I am doing the right thing, amateur here, don't want to brick my baby.

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Are these the correct instructions? File dated 2013:

https://files.support.epson.com/doci...12530500en.pdf

Everything is so cryptic, no link to any firmware on the projector's US support site.

To recap:

1. Remove power cable.
2. Plug flash drive into mini-USB port with adapter.
3. Hold power button and plug the cable back while holding it.
4. Release power button when status lights come on.

Can someone confirm I am doing the right thing, amateur here, don't want to brick my baby.

With anticipated thanks.
I successfully updated my LS10500 by using USB cable connection to computer (second part of the same PDF manual).
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I successfully updated my LS10500 by using USB cable connection to computer (second part of the same PDF manual).
Oh cool, I have plenty of mini USB to USB male cables as the four Harmony 659s around my house are still working full steam.

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I successfully updated my LS10500 by using USB cable connection to computer (second part of the same PDF manual).
Oh cool, I have plenty of mini USB to USB male cables as the four Harmony 659s around my house are still working full steam.
If you have a dedicated light-controlled theater room for your LS10500 I’m not sure you even need to do the update.

This new firmware relabels 3 HDR modes and replaces the darkest prior HDR mode with a very lightened/brightened HDR. Unfortunately, if you have an appropriately light-controlled theater, the new HDR mode labeled HDR 1 isn’t of value as you lose tremendous color depth, black gradiations, and the pop of brilliant brights.

The old HDR 1 is now labeled HDR 2, and Epson recommends HDR 2 with digital cinema for maximal visual fidelity in a light controlled environment.

Long story short, if you have a dedicated theater for your LS, I think you can entirely skip this update.
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When can we expect an upgrade to this unit? Might we see a an LS11000 with native 4K panels? What say you?
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When can we expect an upgrade to this unit? Might we see a an LS11000 with native 4K panels? What say you?
Not for a while, unless a Tesla co. of projectors comes up, until then the staggered release for max profits will continue, the technology is definitely available.

That said, the 4k HDR picture on this pixel shifter is stunning.
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Oh cool, I have plenty of mini USB to USB male cables as the four Harmony 659s around my house are still working full steam.
I download the firmware to USB now what do you do from this point to update. Already asked Epson but no answer yet, all they sent me how to download new firmware.
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I download the firmware to USB now what do you do from this point to update. Already asked Epson but no answer yet, all they sent me how to download new firmware.
You need to download the firmware to an actual computer and then connect the computer to the projector and follow the Epson directions to a T. As long as you do just what the instructions tell you, the update will install to your LS without difficulty.

The update cannot be done via USB, only computer. Yes, this means I used a ladder to connect a laptop to my projector mounted 12 feet up in the air on the ceiling.
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Still worth buying this projector? And, is it worth it over the 6040UB? There doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm about this projector and no real dedicated forum like the 6040UB owners but this unit is also twice the cost. Is is just bad in 4k HDR. Hate to buy a really expensive 1080p projector.
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