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post #991 of 1342 Old 05-22-2018, 05:48 AM
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Not much enthusiasm by way of posts with this projector though in comparison to the more mainstream 5040/6040 models. Anyways, still have to convince myself that this projector is better than the 6040UB.
I think most owners are more than happy with the LS projectors, and is why you don't see many people complaining about them and a low post count, which is a good thing. Huge threads with unhappy owners is probably a red flag and a good reason not to buy one without seeing it first.

I've compared the LSs vs the 6040 (and others) and if you do the same thing you will come to the same conclusion - no need to convince yourself

I think you'll be happy with this pj until 4K native laser projectors fall into the same price range, all else being equal (or better). Hopefully it won't be long before Epson produce one.
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I think most owners are more than happy with the LS projectors, and is why you don't see many people complaining about them and a low post count, which is a good thing. Huge threads with unhappy owners is probably a red flag and a good reason not to buy one without seeing it first.

I've compared the LSs vs the 6040 (and others) and if you do the same thing you will come to the same conclusion - no need to convince yourself

I think you'll be happy with this pj until 4K native laser projectors fall into the same price range, all else being equal (or better). Hopefully it won't be long before Epson produce one.
I own a number of projectors including the LS10000 and two JVCs. The Epson is the workhorse largely due to the laser. It is just a no-brainer -- I use it like a T.V. -- no lamp to worry about and the image looks great.
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I own a number of projectors including the LS10000 and two JVCs. The Epson is the workhorse largely due to the laser. It is just a no-brainer -- I use it like a T.V. -- no lamp to worry about and the image looks great.
I agree and seeing many people talking and worrying about not being 18gps is a problem! I don't think so, i have a high quality 1 HDMI cable in 40ft and PJ accepts everything you throw at, 4K broadcasting from Directv or 4K HDR from 4K players. So far more than a year and i didn't see (knock on wood) any problem and i do also use this as of daily TV like, without worrying lamp or degrading brightness etc.
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Foot Spacing

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Hope you are all well.

Could someone give me the measurements between the feet width and depth? Want to see if it fits on top of my projection cabinet. Overall dimensions are too long, hoping foot spacing is much more compact under the unit.

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I agree and seeing many people talking and worrying about not being 18gps is a problem! I don't think so, i have a high quality 1 HDMI cable in 40ft and PJ accepts everything you throw at, 4K broadcasting from Directv or 4K HDR from 4K players. So far more than a year and i didn't see (knock on wood) any problem and i do also use this as of daily TV like, without worrying lamp or degrading brightness etc.
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I'm using CAT6 with the SnapAV Binary 540 Extender/Balun but I'm not able to get Apple TV to go to 4k HDR even with the HDFury Linker. How do you get evertying to work with just an HDMI cable when the projector doesn't have the bandwidth to support 4K HDR 60fps?
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I'm using CAT6 with the SnapAV Binary 540 Extender/Balun but I'm not able to get Apple TV to go to 4k HDR even with the HDFury Linker. How do you get evertying to work with just an HDMI cable when the projector doesn't have the bandwidth to support 4K HDR 60fps?
You don't. The LS10000 can't recover an 18Gbps signal needed for 4K HDR @60fps no matter how good and short the connection is. If want your LS10000 to receive 4K content, you have to use your video source player, HDFury, or some other video processor to down-convert a full bandwith UHD signal to 4K @ 24fps and/or a lower chroma resolution like 4:2:2.

I've been using a 40' Celerity fiber-optic connection to my LS10000 for the last 3 years with zero problems (but its limited to 10.2 Gbps). Before that all HDMI cables I tried were a nightmare with frequent HDMI sync drops.

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I'm using CAT6 with the SnapAV Binary 540 Extender/Balun but I'm not able to get Apple TV to go to 4k HDR even with the HDFury Linker. How do you get evertying to work with just an HDMI cable when the projector doesn't have the bandwidth to support 4K HDR 60fps?
With Apple TV, go to video settings and turn on Match Frame Rate. This will display 4K 60fps and 4K HDR 24fps. Both are under 10gps and can be handled by the LS10500.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208288

If you want to get 4K HDR 60fps, then you need to lower the chroma resolution to 4:2:0.

Also your SnapAV 540 extender will not handle 4K HDR 60fps. It is limited to 10gbs.
https://www.snapav.com/wcsstore/Exte...son_052417.pdf

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You don't. The LS10000 can't recover an 18Gbps signal needed for 4K HDR @60fps no matter how good and short the connection is. If want your LS10000 to receive 4K content, you have to use your video source player, HDFury, or some other video processor to down-convert a full bandwith UHD signal to 4K @ 24fps and/or a lower chroma resolution like 4:2:2.

I've been using a 40' Celerity fiber-optic connection to my LS10000 for the last 3 years with zero problems (but its limited to 10.2 Gbps). Before that all HDMI cables I tried were a nightmare with frequent HDMI sync drops.
I think I'm just confused about the video aspect. The LS10500 can only do 10.2Gbps. 4K HDR 60fps 4:4:4 requires 18Gbps bandwidth which we cannot ever do with the LS10500.

So, I introduce an HMDI cable that is rated @ 18Gbps - what's the point of it if the LS10500 can't do it?

I introduce the HDFury Linker, which I have, so that I can down convert a full UHD signal to at best 4k @ 24fps, 4:2:2 - is that the best I can get and does it require 18Gbps rated HDMI cable. Also, what are the proper settings for the HDFury Linker with the LS10500. Using my 6040UB, it was easy because there is a sequence of steps (button presses) that would set it for my previous 6040UB. BTW, I got rid of my 6040UB because Epson gave me a full refund on it due to 3 failed units - power supply issue.

So, am I better off just leaving my old Audioquest Cinnamon cable (very old cable, not 18Gbps, 30ft but works) with or without the HDFury Linker. Or, am I better off using the CAT6/Binary B-540 with or without the HDFury Linker. Right now, I'm finding that switching sources takes an extremely long time to sync with the HDFury and/or the CAT6/B-540. Literally, I am waiting 20-30 seconds to catch audio first followed by picture. And, switching between sources then takes around 15 seconds or so to catch audio first followed by video. Way too long I would think. At least, longer than 6040UB from what I remember.
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You don't. The LS10000 can't recover an 18Gbps signal needed for 4K HDR @60fps no matter how good and short the connection is. If want your LS10000 to receive 4K content, you have to use your video source player, HDFury, or some other video processor to down-convert a full bandwith UHD signal to 4K @ 24fps and/or a lower chroma resolution like 4:2:2.

I've been using a 40' Celerity fiber-optic connection to my LS10000 for the last 3 years with zero problems (but its limited to 10.2 Gbps). Before that all HDMI cables I tried were a nightmare with frequent HDMI sync drops.
I had a very good luck with WireLogic Sapphire HDMI Cable when people were having cable problems few years back and after purchasing LS10.5 i was thinking to do same like other members did here no HDMI because distance was around 40ft. I searched and find WireLogic Sapphire 40ft HDMI Cable from Canada, not an easy find and my PJ installer said no way this will work but worth it to try. Bingo... it worked and since installation it has been working without an any issue whatsoever. Everything goes to Pioneer Elite SC-91 and from there one HDMI cable (40ft) to my LS10500.
I can watch HDR movies from Panasonic 4K player, 4k broadcasting from Directv you name it. Excellent so far
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I had a very good luck with WireLogic Sapphire HDMI Cable when people were having cable problems few years back and after purchasing LS10.5 i was thinking to do same like other members did here no HDMI because distance was around 40ft. I searched and find WireLogic Sapphire 40ft HDMI Cable from Canada, not an easy find and my PJ installer said no way this will work but worth it to try. Bingo... it worked and since installation it has been working without an any issue whatsoever. Everything goes to Pioneer Elite SC-91 and from there one HDMI cable (40ft) to my LS10500.
I can watch HDR movies from Panasonic 4K player, 4k broadcasting from Directv you name it. Excellent so far
I just replaced my old Cinnamon Cable from Audio Quest 12 Meter. To the new Cinnamon Active 12M that will pass the full 4K/60 4:4:4. It looks like it added 20% more light when I'm watching movies on my
Epson LS10500 in 4k off the Sony UBP1000es. I noticed a small difference on the 4k Apple TV, But more of a difference on the Sony 4k player.
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I just replaced my old Cinnamon Cable from Audio Quest 12 Meter. To the new Cinnamon Active 12M that will pass the full 4K/60 4:4:4. It looks like it added 20% more light when I'm watching movies on my
Epson LS10500 in 4k off the Sony UBP1000es. I noticed a small difference on the 4k Apple TV, But more of a difference on the Sony 4k player.
An HDMI cable can't increase the light output on a projector.
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Can the firmware on this and the 10k be updated using a USB stick connected directly to the pj?

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An HDMI cable can't increase the light output on a projector.
Mike , i know that is doesn't increase the light. I was saying that is a sharper image than i had with the older , much older cinnamon cable.
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Mike , i know that is doesn't increase the light. I was saying that is a sharper image than i had with the older , much older cinnamon cable.
An HDMI cable can't improve the sharpness. It is a digital signal, not an analog signal. Either the cable sends the signal or it does not.
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Can the firmware on this and the 10k be updated using a USB stick connected directly to the pj?

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Anyone? I've tried updating the FW using a USB stick straight into the pj. I initially unplugged the power cable then inserted it back in whilst holding down the power button. I've then let go on the power button when all indicator lights are lit up but nothing happens.. Whilst still holding the power button the pj attempts to start up making whirring noises. When I let go of the power button nothing happens (it's just off) has anyone successfully updated theirs using this method? Or is it only done using a laptop?
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Anyone? I've tried updating the FW using a USB stick straight into the pj. I initially unplugged the power cable then inserted it back in whilst holding down the power button. I've then let go on the power button when all indicator lights are lit up but nothing happens.. Whilst still holding the power button the pj attempts to start up making whirring noises. When I let go of the power button nothing happens (it's just off) has anyone successfully updated theirs using this method? Or is it only done using a laptop?
The instructions are really bad. You have to connect to the projector with a laptop and when you do the projector will appear as a usb drive. Copy the file from your laptop to the usb drive/projector and restart as directed in the instructions.
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Thanks for the reply. So you can't do it via USB alone, it needs to be with a laptop?

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Afraid so. And you need a mini USB adapter / cable also.
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Afraid so. And you need a mini USB adapter / cable also.
Oh right seem to be getting conflicting information about whether you can or can't. Thanks for the reply.

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If there is another way to do it I don't know what it is. I updated using the laptop method.
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Is there a matrix correction file that someone's made available for either the ls10000 or ls10500. I did a 2pt on a friend's with my i1 display pro but I suspect the laser light source might be a bit of a challenge for the raw mode of the meter.
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Best place to find a deal on one of these?
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I would reach out to Mike Garrett of AV Science. ..maybe there are some B stock models.
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Not that I am aware of, but will check.
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Purchased one from mike, should get it in a couple of weeks

I know this isn’t a true 4K projector, do I still need to get the newer 2.2 HDMI cables I would need for my 4K oled

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Would a standard 1080 HDMI work

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Purchased one from mike, should get it in a couple of weeks

I know this isn’t a true 4K projector, do I still need to get the newer 2.2 HDMI cables I would need for my 4K oled

Or

Would a standard 1080 HDMI work

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You need cables that will at least do 10.2 Gbps. I would just buy 18Gbps cables and be done with it until you replace the projector.
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If you want to pass a 4K signal through the AVR to the projector, it is required. If just talking about 4K UHD player, then no, because they have dual HDMI output.
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Got my b stock LS10500 thanks to Mike

I was able to use my existing mount and hook it up

Night and day difference vs the old projector that came with the house(just bought the house)

I did notice there is a pink line running horizontally at the very bottom of the screen
Is there a way to get rid of that?

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No pink bar on atv movies
Weird
Guess it might be the app?

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