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post #1141 of 1280 Old 11-02-2018, 10:24 AM
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Here are some eye candies for you guys, this is a Epson LS10500 (i love this PJ) with Panny ub820 experimenting HDR/SDR comparison

These samples i put not exactly the same frames but you got the idea





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HI
Question to LS10500 owners. I currently have 5040ub thinking on upgrade.

there are few options like: new JVC NX5/N7, X790 and I started considering LS10500...There is another option: wait till LS11000 is released...

I m using 113" reference white 1.0 gain screen in bat cave, projector mounted near to max zoom on ECO / medium modes to preserve max brightness (sometimes it is too bright even on ECO)

Will 10500 be noticably dimmer comapring to 5040ub in HDR ?

Is there a chance Epson will update its LS10500 to 18Gb HDMI standard and increase brightness soon or this is wishful thinking at the moment ?

I have plenty of HDR 4K movies and don't want to give up on HDR on the projector (even though the are far from TV HDR luminosity...)
I got Oppo so I can theoretically use HDR to SDR mapping to BT2020 SDR, but still this won't satisfy me having looked HDR on 5040ub.
Please let me know your thoughts on using HDR on LS10500.

I ve heard laser gives more clean picture and less noise. I am fed up with UHD lamps so I said next projector will be either laser or 4K - no eshifts
BUt we shall see as there is something in between: JVC X790...
Forgot to add black levels and contrast matters so I want this to be an upgrade too.

I am also occasional gamer (ps4 pro), so how 52ms input lag corresponds to 27ms on 5040ub - will it be very noticable ?
Anyone using ps4 pro with ls10500 ? or I should forget about gaming on this projector.

There is no rush so 'wait and see' is also a perspective as I am generally satisfied with my current Epson, can keep it bit longer to find out whats released in first half of 2019.

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EDID 1 is for HDR material, which only comes in the BT2020 space. This is according to Epson’s official LS10500 manual.

So, EDID 1 is for UHD HDR material, and it’s where my projector is set whether it be 4K disc, Blu-ray Disc, or any stream. You can always set the projector to SDR within EDID 1.

I always display HDR content as an HDR input into the LS, I never strip the metadata and tone map before sending the signal to the LS and have had EXCELLENT results.
My doubt was referred to this post:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post49793089

Is not it better to do the HDR-SDR conversion to the source?
In my case, an HTPC and MadVr's Tone Mapping.
If you use the EDID1, the player or the source, you will see the Epson as HDR and will send an HDR signal, and the conversion will be made by the Epson, definitely worse than MadVr

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HI
Question to LS10500 owners. I currently have 5040ub thinking on upgrade.

there are few options like: new JVC NX5/N7, X790 and I started considering LS10500...There is another option: wait till LS11000 is released...

I m using 113" reference white 1.0 gain screen in bat cave, projector mounted near to max zoom on ECO / medium modes to preserve max brightness (sometimes it is too bright even on ECO)

Will 10500 be noticably dimmer comapring to 5040ub in HDR ?

Is there a chance Epson will update its LS10500 to 18Gb HDMI standard and increase brightness soon or this is wishful thinking at the moment ?

I have plenty of HDR 4K movies and don't want to give up on HDR on the projector (even though the are far from TV HDR luminosity...)
I got Oppo so I can theoretically use HDR to SDR mapping to BT2020 SDR, but still this won't satisfy me having looked HDR on 5040ub.
Please let me know your thoughts on using HDR on LS10500.

I ve heard laser gives more clean picture and less noise. I am fed up with UHD lamps so I said next projector will be either laser or 4K - no eshifts
BUt we shall see as there is something in between: JVC X790...
Forgot to add black levels and contrast matters so I want this to be an upgrade too.

I am also occasional gamer (ps4 pro), so how 52ms input lag corresponds to 27ms on 5040ub - will it be very noticable ?
Anyone using ps4 pro with ls10500 ? or I should forget about gaming on this projector.

There is no rush so 'wait and see' is also a perspective as I am generally satisfied with my current Epson, can keep it bit longer to find out whats released in first half of 2019.
I have played a few games on ps4 pro and this projector
Looks great, I’m not noticing much lag
It might be coming into play on call of duty, I used to be pretty decent, but I’m not sure if it’s the lag or me for being kinda bad at it now(haven’t played in years )

Red dead redemption and Spider-Man look fantastic on it





I just bought 1978 Superman 4K and watched it last night
One of my faves and first time I’ve ever seen it on the big screen
Was a treat

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Very happy with my LS10500 since i got it. Accepts HDR & 4k and plays beautifully, this PJ is a steal and offer 25-30K hours before you start worrying just amazing.

I did call Chad for calibrating it as soon as i got it and thanks to Chad +++ came over and calibrated this wonderful piece of art. I recommend everyone to calibrate the unit professionally. Without worrying bulb life or performance and keep calibrating the unit according to bulbs output. Very crisp beautiful pictures.



Who is out there thinking about getting this unit, i highly recommend it based on my experience with it.


Did he set it for HDR or used something like an Oppo to SDR/ BT2020 ? The picture looks amazing congrats


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Did he set it for HDR or used something like an Oppo to SDR/ BT2020 ? The picture looks amazing congrats


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You can watch both ways SDR/bt2020 or HDR without SDR/bt2020, i assumed he did for both ways
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You can watch both ways SDR/bt2020 or HDR without SDR/bt2020, i assumed he did for both ways


Ooo ok thanks


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HI
Question to LS10500 owners. I currently have 5040ub thinking on upgrade.

there are few options like: new JVC NX5/N7, X790 and I started considering LS10500...There is another option: wait till LS11000 is released...

I m using 113" reference white 1.0 gain screen in bat cave, projector mounted near to max zoom on ECO / medium modes to preserve max brightness (sometimes it is too bright even on ECO)

Will 10500 be noticably dimmer comapring to 5040ub in HDR ?

Is there a chance Epson will update its LS10500 to 18Gb HDMI standard and increase brightness soon or this is wishful thinking at the moment ?

I have plenty of HDR 4K movies and don't want to give up on HDR on the projector (even though the are far from TV HDR luminosity...)
I got Oppo so I can theoretically use HDR to SDR mapping to BT2020 SDR, but still this won't satisfy me having looked HDR on 5040ub.
Please let me know your thoughts on using HDR on LS10500.

I ve heard laser gives more clean picture and less noise. I am fed up with UHD lamps so I said next projector will be either laser or 4K - no eshifts
BUt we shall see as there is something in between: JVC X790...
Forgot to add black levels and contrast matters so I want this to be an upgrade too.

I am also occasional gamer (ps4 pro), so how 52ms input lag corresponds to 27ms on 5040ub - will it be very noticable ?
Anyone using ps4 pro with ls10500 ? or I should forget about gaming on this projector.

There is no rush so 'wait and see' is also a perspective as I am generally satisfied with my current Epson, can keep it bit longer to find out whats released in first half of 2019.



Sorry, but there do not come any LS11000 ( Epson drops the LS serie sadly )
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Are you saying Epson is dropping their laser projectors?

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Are you saying Epson is dropping their laser projectors?
Nothing official. Epson pretty much ignored their LS series at Cedia. With JVC and Sony getting into the lower cost bulb 4K projectors Epson will have to do something to remain relevant.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like Epson is listing the LS10500 as a current model.


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Well that's going to suck. I was hoping to get into a Epson laser once my Sony VW95 is done. Great so no more reasonably priced laser projectors in the future.

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Check out the LK990 from BenQ - light cannon
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Nothing official. Epson pretty much ignored their LS series at Cedia. With JVC and Sony getting into the lower cost bulb 4K projectors Epson will have to do something to remain relevant.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like Epson is listing the LS10500 as a current model.
The LS10500 shows up on the Epson U.S. web site.

https://epson.com/For-Home/Projectors/Pro-Cinema/c/h320
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I'm not interested in a light canon or BenQ.

Oh great it still appears on the Epson USA site. Hopefully they keep it in their lineup for a few more years at least. I don't understand why they would want to remove what is/was probably their biggest hit in the HT projector market to date. And it's not like these machines are plagued with problems, if anything it would seem the opposite.

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The LS10500 shows up on the Epson U.S. web site.

https://epson.com/For-Home/Projectors/Pro-Cinema/c/h320
It's listed but no MSRP unlike all the other models. Odd. This model hasn't been updated in over two years. Is Epson committed to their reflective LCD technology or have they decided to let it die? Again nothing official but they aren't doing much to push this unit any more.

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I'm not interested in a light canon or BenQ..........
I’ve had both the LS10500 and the BenQ LK970 and I can confidently say that if you see the BenQ you wouldn’t be saying that. In fact you’d have to get into the expensive over $25K Sonys and JVCs to best it for overall image quality.

“light cannon” doesn’t really describe it properly. “It has it when it needs it”, like for HDR, is what I’d say.
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Hi Dave, interesting comments. What technology is the LK970 using.

Okay I just did a search, DLP, no thanks, never liked DLP projectors -headaches among other distractions from the DLP. Any other choices for laser and non-DLP out there.

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My dealer did mention something about the possibility of Epson releasing a new LS model next year when I went to see the new JVC N5, but I've no details or any idea how accurate that comment is.

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Well that would be nice, at least we can hope it's more than a rumour.

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Okay I just did a search, DLP, no thanks, never liked DLP projectors -headaches among other distractions from the DLP. Any other choices for laser and non-DLP out there.

Your loss to disregard this amazing machine before experiencing it. To each his own.

Maybe read the dedicated thread for it (hint hint).
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I don’t really want to side track this discussion except to say that the black levels on the DLP LK990 prototype I saw wasn’t as bad as what I was expecting.

They are elevated but with the improved brightness, shadow details on dimly mastered HDR stuff is actually viewable. And it still has enough headroom to do HDR pop Justice.

Nuff said.

I do like the Epson LS. But the 10500 really needed another 500-1000 lumens to be virtually perfect.
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I don’t really want to side track this discussion except to say that the black levels on the DLP LK990 prototype I saw wasn’t as bad as what I was expecting.

They are elevated but with the improved brightness, shadow details on dimly mastered HDR stuff is actually viewable. And it still has enough headroom to do HDR pop Justice.

Nuff said.
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I do like the Epson LS. But the 10500 really needed another 500-1000 lumens to be virtually perfect.
Luckily for me, I don't need extra lumens (or HDR), so for me it is perfect - I've yet to see anything that makes me feel I'm missing out on anything or need to upgrade. Maybe if I saw the Z1 or Sony 5000 but I wouldn't spend that much on a projector anyway.

I think for those with larger screens and who want HDR, more lumens is becoming more of a necessity. I just think thank goodness I've no interest in that.

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Okay Dave, coming from you I'll have a read through the thread and see what's being said about this machine, thanks.

Although I see it's upwards of 20K, A little too rich for my blood or what I would be wanting to pay.
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Hey all, quick question:

I've been searching all over but haven't been able to figure out if this is at all possible...

I have an nVidia Shield TV and is trying to get it to send Rec.2020 60Hz to the LS10500, but when I do the image is all strongly green tinted. As in obviously "broken". Rec.2020 24Hz though displays properly.

My question is whether it's some setting in the LS10500 that is the reason for 60Hz not working properly, a limitation of the projector, the cable* or the Shield TV.

I've been finding vague answers like maybe it's an issue with the Shield or maybe the issue is the HDMI controller on the Epson, but no definitive answer.

Does anyone happen to know? Or at least know whether the LS10500 can handle it because you have it working with another setup - then I'll have to try replacing some stuff myself


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Maximum resolution: 4096 x 2160p 60Hz including 1080p 3D
Maximum colour depth: UHD up to 4K 60Hz (4:2:0 8bpc)
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It looks to me like the LS10000 with new HDMI board for HDR WCG etc.

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Dave,
I guess another downside, but a small one at that, for me going to a laser based setup is that I wouldn't be able to use my i1Pro for calibrating the laser projector. Or is it possible to use the i1Pro on a LS10500(or any other laser based projector) for calibration? On the other hand I hear that the LS series are so consistent that just using your calibration settings would put any LS10500 as close to perfect as one could expect -true/false?

Of course if I stick with the Sony/JVC lamp based setups then I'm still good to go using the i1Pro.

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Hey all, quick question:

I've been searching all over but haven't been able to figure out if this is at all possible...

I have an nVidia Shield TV and is trying to get it to send Rec.2020 60Hz to the LS10500, but when I do the image is all strongly green tinted. As in obviously "broken". Rec.2020 24Hz though displays properly.

My question is whether it's some setting in the LS10500 that is the reason for 60Hz not working properly, a limitation of the projector, the cable* or the Shield TV.

I've been finding vague answers like maybe it's an issue with the Shield or maybe the issue is the HDMI controller on the Epson, but no definitive answer.

Does anyone happen to know? Or at least know whether the LS10500 can handle it because you have it working with another setup - then I'll have to try replacing some stuff myself


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Nominal attenuation: [email protected]~825MHz, [email protected]~2475MHz, [email protected] 2475~4125MHz, [email protected]~5100MHz
The Epson has a bandwidth limitation /10,2 Gbps/. It can display 4K 60fps only at 8-bit 4:2:0. I don't have a Shield, but it is probably outputting at 4:4:4 or 4:2:2. The Epson accepts 10/12-bit 4K 4:2:2 up to 30fps.

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The Epson has a bandwidth limitation /10,2 Gbps/. It can display 4K 60fps only at 8-bit 4:2:0. I don't have a Shield, but it is probably outputting at 4:4:4 or 4:2:2. The Epson accepts 10/12-bit 4K 4:2:2 up to 30fps.
Ah I see. You can choose from a bunch of different outputs in the Shield but yeah I'm pretty sure it cannot do Rec. 2020 8-bit 4:2:0 at 60Hz because I would have tried it

Rec. 709 it can do at 4K, I think it's 8-bit, something 60Hz though, but that must come under the 10,2 Gbps limitation then. Thanks a lot for the answer - that's what I was looking for. No reason to try changing cable or player then.
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I’m building and planing my theater and was thinking on getting a scope screen. But since I’m width limited I could get a 16:9 screen and watch sports games and Blu-ray concerts when I have friends and family over to drink and when I’m seriously watch a scope movie the image would be smaller in height. My question is I’ve read on reviews that the Epson 10500 does a wonderful job when there is a “black frame” is the black frame that they are talking about when their is a scope image the black bars that are in the top and bottom of the screen ?


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Hey guys
I’m building and planing my theater and was thinking on getting a scope screen. But since I’m width limited I could get a 16:9 screen and watch sports games and Blu-ray concerts when I have friends and family over to drink and when I’m seriously watch a scope movie the image would be smaller in height. My question is I’ve read on reviews that the Epson 10500 does a wonderful job when there is a “black frame” is the black frame that they are talking about when their is a scope image the black bars that are in the top and bottom of the screen ?


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The black frame is a scene with no video information at all, and has nothing to do with the black bars you would have at the top and bottom of a 2.39/40 image on a 16:9 screen.

I had my LS10500 installed as part of the AV upgrade of my dedicated home movie theater 1.5 years ago, and at that time switched from a 16:9 screen to a 2.35:1 ‘scope’ screen.

I am SO happy I went with the 2:35 screen. Movies are completely engrossing when displayed at their native aspect ratio. In my movie theater, I want movies to be the best possible presentation possible, and you will only get that with the 2.35 screen.

I have 12 actual television sets in my home for displaying television content, but the movie theater is for the ultimate presentation of movies - projection onto a 2.35 ‘scope’ screen.

PS, in the 1.5 years I’ve had the LS10500 I have been unbelievably pleased with it. It generates a phenomenal image you’d be very hard pressed to beat. I can’t recommend the LS enough for cinema projection in a dedicated home movie theater.
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