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post #1171 of 1284 Old 01-05-2019, 10:03 AM
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The black frame is a scene with no video information at all, and has nothing to do with the black bars you would have at the top and bottom of a 2.39/40 image on a 16:9 screen.

I had my LS10500 installed as part of the AV upgrade of my dedicated home movie theater 1.5 years ago, and at that time switched from a 16:9 screen to a 2.35:1 ‘scope’ screen.

I am SO happy I went with the 2:35 screen. Movies are completely engrossing when displayed at their native aspect ratio. In my movie theater, I want movies to be the best possible presentation possible, and you will only get that with the 2.35 screen.

I have 12 actual television sets in my home for displaying television content, but the movie theater is for the ultimate presentation of movies - projection onto a 2.35 ‘scope’ screen.

PS, in the 1.5 years I’ve had the LS10500 I have been unbelievably pleased with it. It generates a phenomenal image you’d be very hard pressed to beat. I can’t recommend the LS enough for cinema projection in a dedicated home movie theater.


thanks i will go with scope screen to have the best experience for movies while also getting that wow effect when the screen gets wider for movies
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Set it to HDMI Normal (16-235 Video levels). The EDID settings you’ve already discussed are the ones associated with SDR and HDR bandwidths. The Extended and Normal settings are for setting Dynamic Range of the signal. These are called different things on different manufacturers units....
But on Madvr what set, Video levels or PC levels?
On the Gpu, RGB or YCbCr ?

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But on Madvr what set, Video levels or PC levels?
On the Gpu, RGB or YCbCr ?

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You are joking right? You ask me per PM, I give you all the answers, even reformulate because you seem to have difficulty to understand and now you ask here again...

So, again: madVr & Ls10500 settings for 4K HDR:

On the Epson EH-LS10500, select:

Gamma: sdr
Option 1:
Colorspace: rec709
Mode: digital cinema
You will get dci-p3 d65 with a gamma 2.2 with that. Please also select that in madvr.

Option 2:
Colorspace: rec2020
Mode: digital cinema
You will get rec2020 with a gamma 2.2 with that. Please also select that in madvr.

You can also let the range on automatic (or select PC Levels = 0-255 (also known as full=complete=extended range ))

In madVR:
- select PC Levels = 0-255 (also known as full range=complete=extended range )
- select 8bits (madVr has excellent dithering and there is not difference to see between 8 or 10bits in real life after dithering)

In the GPU output:
For 24p movie:
Select: 23p (23.976hz)
Select: 8 bits
Select: Complete (also known as PC Levels = 0-255 = full range= extended range )
Select: RGB

For 60p movie:
Select: 59p
Select: 8 bits
Select: Limited / Video Level
Select: 4:2:0
(LS10500 has only 10Gbits hdmi bandwitch)
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You are joking right? You ask me per PM, I give you all the answers, even reformulate because you seem to have difficulty to understand and now you ask here again...

[B]So, again: madVr & Ls10500 settings for 4K HDR: ....

Sorry,
but in PM I had not understood if on the projector HDMI was going on extended or normal. Also here I do not understand,
HDMI Extended or Normal ?

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Sorry,
but in PM I had not understood, if on the projector, HDMI was going on extended or normal. Also here I do not understand,
HDMI Extended or Normal ?
I still think you are trying to make a joke.
It's written (like in the PM) in my answer above...
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You are joking right? You ask me per PM, I give you all the answers, even reformulate because you seem to have difficulty to understand and now you ask here again...

So, again: madVr & Ls10500 settings for 4K HDR:

On the Epson EH-LS10500, select:

Gamma: sdr
Option 1:
Colorspace: rec709
Mode: digital cinema
You will get dci-p3 d65 with a gamma 2.2 with that. Please also select that in madvr.

Option 2:
Colorspace: rec2020
Mode: digital cinema
You will get rec2020 with a gamma 2.2 with that. Please also select that in madvr.

You can also let the range on automatic (or select PC Levels = 0-255 (also known as full=complete=extended range ))

In madVR:
- select PC Levels = 0-255 (also known as full range=complete=extended range )
- select 8bits (madVr has excellent dithering and there is not difference to see between 8 or 10bits in real life after dithering)

In the GPU output:
For 24p movie:
Select: 23p (23.976hz)
Select: 8 bits
Select: Complete (also known as PC Levels = 0-255 = full range= extended range )
Select: RGB

For 60p movie:
Select: 59p
Select: 8 bits
Select: Limited / Video Level
Select: 4:2:0
(LS10500 has only 10Gbits hdmi bandwitch)
Out of curiosity, how can you get DCI-P3 out of a rec709 signal?
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Out of curiosity, how can you get DCI-P3 out of a rec709 signal?
You should distinguish "signal flags " and colorspace.

A rec709 signal flag has actually nothing to do with the calibrated colorspace.

There is no official flag for dci-p3. Therefore if you choose digital cinema , you use the flag "bt709" but still get dci-p3 coordinates.

If you choose digital cinema but activate the bt2020 flag, Epson internally remap the colorspace to the rec2020 container.

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Finally I managed to install the projector.
it's the first time I use it with JRiver + Madvr.

I have a problem with UHD and Full Exclusive mode.

The PC is connected to the projector via the HDMI1 and EDID1
UHD is converted by Madvr through Tone Mapping.
When switching to exclusive mode during playback
the image goes jerkily and in slow motion (this only happens with UHD)
then I noticed that if I press pause in JRiver the reproduction is stopped.
All this happens only with the projector, with the TV much older no problem

Some advice?
Thanks

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Finally I managed to install the projector.
it's the first time I use it with JRiver + Madvr.

I have a problem with UHD and Full Exclusive mode.

The PC is connected to the projector via the HDMI1 and EDID1
UHD is converted by Madvr through Tone Mapping.
When switching to exclusive mode during playback
the image goes jerkily and in slow motion (this only happens with UHD)
then I noticed that if I press pause in JRiver the reproduction is stopped.
All this happens only with the projector, with the TV much older no problem

Some advice?
Thanks
I guess wrong settings in MadVR. Use ctrl+j key to enable debug screen output with all the info like frame rendering times etc
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So I found the problem, but not solved ...
The problem is some conflict or interference with the AVR:

the GPU (AMDRX580) has 2 HDMI outputs, in one I connected directly to the projector, in the other to the AVR for the audio.
The only way to let both of them work (Audio and Video) is to select Clone screens, in screen management.
With both HDMI outputs connected though, when Madvr switches to exclusive screen mode, the video goes in slow motion and jerky, stutter
Selecting ctrl + j key OSD in Madvr, when it switches to Exclusive change frequency mode, selecting the wrong one (Movie in 23Hz in exclusive mode hooks the 29Hz);
this only happens in exclusive mode, in window mode no problem
Madvr is configured correctly, in fact if I use only one HDMI output: HTPC ---> AVR (split) ----> Projector,
everything goes perfectly in exclusive mode.

What can I do?
I would like to be able to use both HDMI outputs, without going through the video in the AVR
Thank you

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To create a 3DLUT with Displaycal, for this projector what is better to select in "Mode" ?
LCD (Generic),
LCD (Hi Res),
or Refresh ?
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I've looked through the thread, but have not been able to find an answer. Has anyone had to clean the lens on the LS10500? I have a slight smudge on the lens, but when reading the manual and looking on the Epson website it states that you need to contact a service center to clean the lens. I have done so, but they advise that I need to take the projector in to a service center or a replacement projector will be provided. I would rather not go this route, but I do want to clean the lens as it is showing on the projected image (defocused in that area). Would like to hear if others have had success cleaning the lens themselves or not.
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I've looked through the thread, but have not been able to find an answer. Has anyone had to clean the lens on the LS10500? I have a slight smudge on the lens, but when reading the manual and looking on the Epson website it states that you need to contact a service center to clean the lens. I have done so, but they advise that I need to take the projector in to a service center or a replacement projector will be provided. I would rather not go this route, but I do want to clean the lens as it is showing on the projected image (defocused in that area). Would like to hear if others have had success cleaning the lens themselves or not.
You really should take it in. I learned the hard way.
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I've looked through the thread, but have not been able to find an answer. Has anyone had to clean the lens on the LS10500? I have a slight smudge on the lrens, but when reading the manual and looking on the Epson website it states that you need to contact a service center to clean the lens. I have done so, but they advise that I need to take the projector in to a service center or a replacement projector will be provided. I would rather not go this route, but I do want to clean the lens as it is showing on the projected image (defocused in that area). Would like to hear if others have had success cleaning the lens themselves or not.
I would use a LensPen NLP-1 typically used to clean smudges on camera lenses. It works much better than a typical wet or dry clean and will not harm the coatings if you follow the directions. Give it a shot. I've used before to clean gunk off a projector lens.

https://lenspen.com/product/lenspen/

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Thanks everyone. I will contact the service centre, as it sounds like I should likely be more careful than not.

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I spoke to my Epson dealer and it sounds like the 10500 is the end of the road for laser based consumer projectors for Epson. That is a shame because this projector is awesome. If that is the case I would like to encourage Epson to come out with an HDMI board upgrade to allow for full bandwidth connections. Anyone have connections?


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Well that really sucks. I was looking forward to their next line of laser projectors. So now who will step forward with a laser projector at a great price?

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What about the LG short throw unit?

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Being DLP and far lower in price, probably can't compare to these Epsons.
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DLP, no thanks.

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Watched Spider-Man into the Spider Verse this past weekend on the 10500. Source was Oppo 203 and 4K disc. Absolutely stunning picture quality. I used the tone mapping from Dave Harper and it basically looked 3D.


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I spoke to my Epson dealer and it sounds like the 10500 is the end of the road for laser based consumer projectors for Epson. That is a shame because this projector is awesome. If that is the case I would like to encourage Epson to come out with an HDMI board upgrade to allow for full bandwidth connections. Anyone have connections?


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I doubt that is true.
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Watched Spider-Man into the Spider Verse this past weekend on the 10500. Source was Oppo 203 and 4K disc. Absolutely stunning picture quality. I used the tone mapping from Dave Harper and it basically looked 3D.

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Wow I’m so glad you’re still enjoying that Ryan! HarperVision lives on with the BenQs mentioned below too.



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DLP, no thanks.

I doubt you’d be saying that if you got a gander at the BenQ LK970 or LK990! Go check out their respective threads. Simply jaw dropping performance. Some even are choosing these over the $30K JVC RS4500/Z1 and $60K Sony VW5000ES models!
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Wow I’m so glad you’re still enjoying that Ryan! HarperVision lives on with the BenQs mentioned below too.






I doubt you’d be saying that if you got a gander at the BenQ LK970 or LK990! Go check out their respective threads. Simply jaw dropping performance. Some even are choosing these over the $30K JVC RS4500/Z1 and $60K Sony VW5000ES models!


Whoever is choosing those BenQ over the JVC or Sony either doesn’t care for black levels or does not have a HT room to take the most out of their black levels. I would argue that even in a regular living room, those BenQ can’t compare on that regard.


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Watched Spider-Man into the Spider Verse this past weekend on the 10500. Source was Oppo 203 and 4K disc. Absolutely stunning picture quality. I used the tone mapping from Dave Harper and it basically looked 3D.


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Yes, except it isn't 3D! Try the 3D version -- now that is stunning.

I really do hope Epson introduces another reasonably priced laser projector with some upgrades.

It took me 3 years of use to finally get 3D working properly on this projector. I changed the 3D depth setting to +2 and was shocked to see all the crosstalk I have complained about disappear. I also have 2 JVC projectors with really good 3D but now the Epson shows even less cross-talk than the JVCs. Regarding cross-talk the Epson competes very well with my DLPs and kills them with its vastly superior on/off contrast and black levels.

IMO the Epson laser projector is the best projector for the money by far (4K looks amazing, 3D looks amazing, no lamps to replace, turn it on or off whenever you like, great contrast and black levels -- what's not to like?). Oh, one thing I forgot -- no really, really annoying fade to bright corners like my JVC.
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Whoever is choosing those BenQ over the JVC or Sony either doesn’t care for black levels or does not have a HT room to take the most out of their black levels. I would argue that even in a regular living room, those BenQ can’t compare on that regard.

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Sure, if all you care about is black level and native contrast. If you like everything else with an as good or better image overall for 4 times less than an RS4500 and 8 times less than a VW5000ES, because we all don’t have giant budgets, then the LK970/990s are an absolute steal!
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Dave, do these new Benqs give you blinking rainbows and the DLP headaches like every other dlp I've watched in the past, even that very expensive LED based DLP unit which I don't recall the manufacturer at this time. If they don't then I might take your advice and have a look.

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Oh boy! Here we go again!

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Dave, do these new Benqs give you blinking rainbows and the DLP headaches like every other dlp I've watched in the past, even that very expensive LED based DLP unit which I don't recall the manufacturer at this time. If they don't then I might take your advice and have a look.

If you’re susceptible to RBE then you may see them with these too. In the grand scheme these are considered very good at alleviating it but if you see them with high cycled LED sequential color then you’ll probably see them with these as well unfortunately.

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