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The rumour that you heard of a new JVC is an already announced 4K laser projector with an MSRP of $34,999. Also it will be out this year. We will not see replacements for the 400, 500 and 600 until December of 2017.


As I heard there are new JVCs on the way early next year...

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As I heard there are new JVCs on the way early next year...

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That is the rumour. There will be new JVC's, I just can't confirm if they will come early or announced at CEDIA.
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act as if anyone even considering the Epson is lunacy. Respect
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If the Epson threw as good of an image as the RS500/600, I would own it, rather than a JVC.
This. Which is why I went for the LS10000 instead and never looked back.
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I'm in this boat as well, but I do game online, so it looks like it's the 6040/5040 for me. The RS400 & the 6040/5040 seem to be the "big players" around this price point.

The 130ms input lag would just kill any kind of online gaming.

Quick question about the Epson. Since it's an LCD projector, my understanding is that there isn't any chance of the rainbow effect? I'm one of the people that can see that and I get an instant headache.

Great discussion though...
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@Spyderturbo007 Correct, there is no chance for "rainbow effect" on a LCD based projector like this. This visual phenomenon occurs with single-chip DLP projectors, in varying degrees depending on the quality of the color wheel or sequential led flashing implementation in the given projector.

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@Spyderturbo007 Correct, there is no chance for "rainbow effect" on a LCD based projector like this. This visual phenomenon occurs with single-chip DLP projectors, in varying degrees depending on the quality of the color wheel or sequential led flashing implementation in the given projector.
Thanks kohe321. I was pretty sure that was the case, but I didn't want to drop $3k and find out I was wrong.

Where's the best place to pick one of these up? Just somewhere like Amazon?

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I'm in this boat as well, but I do game online, so it looks like it's the 6040/5040 for me. The RS400 & the 6040/5040 seem to be the "big players" around this price point.

The 130ms input lag would just kill any kind of online gaming.

Quick question about the Epson. Since it's an LCD projector, my understanding is that there isn't any chance of the rainbow effect? I'm one of the people that can see that and I get an instant headache.

Great discussion though...
Just for confirmation I have in my room a JVC RS500, Epson 6040, and HW45ES. If you have any inclination to do some serious gaming the Epson is the one for you.

The Epson 6040 has really impressed me but I love the black levels on the 500 and my room is almost a cave so the 500 and the 45 are my projectors.

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Where's the best place to pick one of these up? Just somewhere like Amazon?
Mike or Craig at AV Science.
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I'm in this boat as well, but I do game online, so it looks like it's the 6040/5040 for me. The RS400 & the 6040/5040 seem to be the "big players" around this price point.

The 130ms input lag would just kill any kind of online gaming.

Quick question about the Epson. Since it's an LCD projector, my understanding is that there isn't any chance of the rainbow effect? I'm one of the people that can see that and I get an instant headache.

Great discussion though...


This is why I'm waiting to see the specs of the new JVCs that are rumoured to be released soon. Once we know the specs then it will be a question of seeing if they are better for gaming, and if they are, then choosing whether to wait until they are released.


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correct me if i am wrong the jvc using a custom global gamma curve and not a standard global curve as in the epson. which in a normal room setting (non batcave) shadow detail will be less apparent? also the red filter is less aggressive at 87 p3 compared to the more aggressive p3 filter used in the epson 100p3. would this explain the 1200 to 700 cal lumens difference. i wonder what the natural mode at almost 1600 lumens p3 would be cal. has any one tried custom gamma setting on the epson to mimic jvc gamma curve and than compared?
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Said this in a dozen threads before. The JVC is perfectly fine to game on, unless you are a Air Force pilot with skill beyond measure, the JVC is not a problem.

The input lag does not hamper the average person, I have owned the X750 and the X500 before it and play on it every single day without problem.

If it is the only deciding factor between the two, do yourself a favor and test it out, becasue chances are it will be a non-issue.
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Said this in a dozen threads before. The JVC is perfectly fine to game on, unless you are a Air Force pilot with skill beyond measure, the JVC is not a problem.
It is not (fine to game on), not for everyone. It might be fine for you, but you are not everyone.

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The input lag does not hamper the average person, I have owned the X750 and the X500 before it and play on it every single day without problem.
I've had an RS4910 and an RS600, and I couldn't game on either with any success/enjoyment. It is the only reason I still have my Planar 8150.

Seriously, I think lag is a lot like RBE, it bothers some and not others. It may well have a lot to do with what you're used to. I was used to gaming on my 16ms lag Planar, the 130ms lag of the JVC is a dealbreaker for gaming for me. I'm sure others are used to gaming on higher lag machines and the JVC isn't as big of a deal.
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It is not (fine to game on), not for everyone. It might be fine for you, but you are not everyone.
Hence why I suggested trying it.

The Input Lag argument makes me sick, because the vast majority of people until educated on it, would have zero idea it exists.

I have yet to see a major review publication even test it for gaming, all we get is "not ideal for gaming due to high input lag" while not backing it up or comparing it to other projectors.

Well I have.

I have been playing on projectors for 15 years now, had a dozen different units in that time, and even did a direct comparison between the JVC and the Epson 5030 and I can safely say it is not an issue.

But it is akin to the DLP rainbows for some, it may be an issue, but it is such a small portion of the population that are affected it is really a major issue? No, not by a long shot.

The majority of folks on AVS that scare people off the JVC for the input lag have never even tried it themselves.

if you are the elite .001% that are out there professional gaming, then sure, maybe the JVC is not for you, but if you are a causal player, or even like myself, a hardcore gamer, it is unlikely you will see a difference.

It just makes me sick that people are scared off an amazing projector for the newest buzzword, hell 5 years ago no one even knew what input lag was, now people claim that a 1/83 of a second lag on a LCD monitor is too much an makes games unplayable, that is hyperbolic BS.
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After owning the 6040 for a while now and used it for gaming, TV and movies I am very impressed by this machine. As an allround projector it is one of the best choices at the moment and it does a great job with everything I use it for. The only thing I am actually missing is my RS600 blacklevels, but since I own both it is no problem.
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I recently went to a local dealer to see a RS400 in action. Short version : Picture was good to excellent but I didn't like their motion smoothing.

Anything SXRD/LCD/LCoS needs help IMO. Native motion resolution doesn't cut it. Even on low the JVC had way too much SOE for me. I prefer how Sony implements it.
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Hence why I suggested trying it.

The Input Lag argument makes me sick, because the vast majority of people until educated on it, would have zero idea it exists.

I have yet to see a major review publication even test it for gaming, all we get is "not ideal for gaming due to high input lag" while not backing it up or comparing it to other projectors.

Well I have.

I have been playing on projectors for 15 years now, had a dozen different units in that time, and even did a direct comparison between the JVC and the Epson 5030 and I can safely say it is not an issue.
So have I, I've been gaming on projectors since 2005. I never had an issue until I got my RS4910 (though all my prior projectors were DLPs). I assumed like you that it was only a few competitive online gamers that were bothered by it, and that thus I wouldn't be, because I'm not that sort of gamer. But I could tell within seconds that something was wrong. Things that were easy on my Planar are much harder on the JVC, like aiming in FPSs, or even just driving in racing games, that extra 115ms is often the difference between catching a slide and losing it.

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But it is akin to the DLP rainbows for some, it may be an issue, but it is such a small portion of the population that are affected it is really a major issue? No, not by a long shot.
As you say, we have no idea, but I would say by the forum here, that a far higher percentage of people are bothered by high lag than RBE.

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The majority of folks on AVS that scare people off the JVC for the input lag have never even tried it themselves.

if you are the elite .001% that are out there professional gaming, then sure, maybe the JVC is not for you, but if you are a causal player, or even like myself, a hardcore gamer, it is unlikely you will see a difference.
I am not an elite gamer, I'm not a hardcore gamer, I'm not a competitive gamer, and if I didn't have an alternative low-lag projector it would be a dealbreaker for me. Halo, Gears of War, Battlefront, Forza, even NBA Jam, are all impossible for me to enjoy or play to my full potential on my JVC. Even my friends who are not remotely hardcore gamers noticed the difference. It's really a shame, I hope JVC brings the low lag mode from the RS4500 to their whole line. Until then, I'm keeping my Planar.

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It just makes me sick that people are scared off an amazing projector for the newest buzzword...
It's not just a buzzword, it's a real problem, at least for a lot of us. I agree that people should try it for themselves, but a lot of times that's not possible.

I'm not trying to scare people away, but if you enjoy gaming, you should definitely be aware that the JVCs have significant lag.
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I kept my old Epson hooked up because I heard JVC's lag made games un-playable.
The 8 y/o Epson 1080UB with Pixelworx chipset, was one of the best at ~20ms response.
(AVR has dual HDMI video ouputs)

I played competitive online COD multiplayer for the better part of the last decade,
But retired about two years ago and returned to adventure/platform and offline campaign play. (Uncharted/Tombraider)

Although I bought my JVC X750 for movies only,
of course I had to try gaming on it to see how badly a tenth or two of a second
would be for gaming (PS3, PS4 and XBOne)

I'm happy to say although the lag is there, its absolutely not as bad as I was expecting.
So you really should try it for yourself to see if it affects your style of game play.

The entire Uncharted series and The Last of US (PS4) play/look fantastic on the JVC,
and most recently on my XBO...Gear of War 4 and Forza Horizon 3



Some images are a little blurry, (did not pause all of them)























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Gears of War 4 looks pretty good too...









Gaming takes up less than 10% of my screen time now,
and when I do I'm not quick scoping on COD on-line anymore.

....so I retired my old Epson from my room permanently.

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Which of these two machines for watching sports?
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Is it possible that the gaming lag is tied to settings in the projector, AVR and HDMI run lengths?


Would be interested in if there are a set of "best gaming" settings to use to minimize any possible delay. Also a shame that the xbox S doesn't come with dual HDMI out but would be interesting to bypass the AVR as a test for those that do have an issue with the lag
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In the dark, JVC with lots of ambient light, Epson. Epson has higher ANSI and can go brighter, though you are giving up some color accuracy. JVC has higher native, so, in the dark is better. If talking Hockey, I would go DLP, but keep in mind, with DLP, you are giving up movie performance vs the JVC.
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Is it possible that the gaming lag is tied to settings in the projector, AVR and HDMI run lengths?
HDMI length won't affect lag (but can affect sync times). AVR will of course potentially increase lag. Settings also make a difference, my RS4910 was anywhere from ~130ms to >150ms depending on settings. Generally things like FI increase lag.
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In the dark, JVC with lots of ambient light, Epson. Epson has higher ANSI and can go brighter, though you are giving up some color accuracy. JVC has higher native, so, in the dark is better. If talking Hockey, I would go DLP, but keep in mind, with DLP, you are giving up movie performance vs the JVC.


Out of curiosity what's your go to DLP as a competitor to the JVC 400 and Epson 5040?
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Out of curiosity what's your go to DLP as a competitor to the JVC 400 and Epson 5040?
Vivitek H9090. I have compared it in my theater against my RS600. For 1080P content it compares very well. I still have the H9090 in my theater, if anybody near me wanted to check it out.
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I recently went to a local dealer to see a RS400 in action... Native motion resolution doesn't cut it.
I'm surprised this doesn't get mentioned more. I love the black levels on my RS57 but I HATE the motion handling on it. Panning and high motion scenes are frequently smeared, blurry or juttery, which I'm super sensitive to.

I guess technically some of it could be the actual cinematography but I expected much better in this regard from a higher end projector like this.
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I'm surprised this doesn't get mentioned more. I love the black levels on my RS57 but I HATE the motion handling on it. Panning and high motion scenes are frequently smeared, blurry or juttery, which I'm super sensitive to.

I guess technically some of it could be the actual cinematography but I expected much better in this regard from a higher end projector like this.
The native motion resolution on this JVC is relatively equal to that of what Sony and Epson do with their LCD variant displays (ie 3LCD, R-LCD and SXRD). SXRD is marginally better than the competition from what I've seen but not anything I'd consider a big improvement over the competition. DLP is the only technology in digital front projection that offers noticeably better motion resolution performance, but as I'm sure you're aware, there are shortcomings with this technology in a couple areas over LCD variant technologies. As always, front projection is still a pick your poison type market.
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The native motion resolution on this JVC is relatively equal to that of what Sony and Epson do with their LCD variant displays
Good to know thanks. My previous 3 projectors were DLP and except for a low end Epson I haven't really viewed too many other display types (LCD etc.) for an extended period.
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The native motion resolution on this JVC is relatively equal to that of what Sony and Epson do with their LCD variant displays (ie 3LCD, R-LCD and SXRD). SXRD is marginally better than the competition from what I've seen but not anything I'd consider a big improvement over the competition. DLP is the only technology in digital front projection that offers noticeably better motion resolution performance, but as I'm sure you're aware, there are shortcomings with this technology in a couple areas over LCD variant technologies. As always, front projection is still a pick your poison type market.
When this comes up you pretty much always come back with 'native motion resolution is similar' but I don't think anyone is debating that. I realize it's highly subjective but I'm surprised the more experienced members of the forum aren't even a little curious or interested in forming an opinion on the subject of motion smoothing beyond 'I turn that [email protected]&! off'.
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I watch a lot of movies. At the theater and at home. If I like a movie I'll watch it multiple times.

I've had two moments of clarity really impact my experience:

1) The amount of new small details I see in films that I thought I had memorized when moving from a 60 inch TV at 12 feet to a projected image 4x the size at the same distance.

2) The amount of detail I see in 1080p /24 films with displays that offer a setting that offers smoothing that isn't overly aggressive. It's night and day. I can get behind accurate calibration to get closer to a director's intent but putting up with judder and blurriness to achieve the same seems ridiculous.

The JVC looks amazing IMO until things start to move.
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