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I have no idea what the 365 is worth these days, I would guess this is the only option for 4K in your budget. I have the 675 it won't meet your budget though but a serious projector for 4K. Consider all the options though, I have a RS600 JVC and even though it's not true 4K on most material and from a seated position you'll not notice the difference . Side by side I can but both have strengths beyond that to consider that may be more important to your needs or personal taste. The Epson is reported to have better motion handling for example, JVC can reach a little deeper for contrast in Low APL , Sony is true 4K
and has a calmer more natural picture. For true 4K at your budget, not much to choose from, at least today .
Probably a poorly worded post from me.

The 675 is in my budget, I'd just rather not spend over $10K. The outfit doing the install quoted me a price of $12K last may for the 665, so I'm assuming that price will apply for the newer model.

I'm guessing that others on this forum went through the same issues I'm having, I want the best picture possible and spend as little as possible. Wondering why you made the choices you made?
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Probably a poorly worded post from me.

The 675 is in my budget, I'd just rather not spend over $10K. The outfit doing the install quoted me a price of $12K last may for the 665, so I'm assuming that price will apply for the newer model.

I'm guessing that others on this forum went through the same issues I'm having, I want the best picture possible and spend as little as possible. Wondering why you made the choices you made?

Truth be known it was more of a combination of good price and curiosity , same as the RS600. I have both, great projectors, eventually one or the other will go at some point. Both are great but there are differences, in the end either one will do for me . Neither one perfect, both more than adequate for a few years into the future IMHO. Not sure where you'll get the Sony for that price but I have personally been quoted $8500 for the 665 from the US. I haven't seen the 675 any less than $10K but getting close. Shop around, you never know and then there are used ones bound to show up soon. Mine may even go on the classifieds list at some point but this is a Canadian unit and not for sale quite yet .


Only eight months before you need one? Take your time and be patient, I'm sure you'll find what your are looking for. Going to be some great new projectors show up 4K in the fall , pretty sure of that . Who knows where the prices will be and the features they will possess. Hold off until the bitter end and I bet you will know more about new units and have many others trying to unload their old unit. Great pricing on used will surely happen then .

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has anyone tried 60p 4k HDR on the 675? I'm noticing banding through my oppo 203. 24p works fine. Tried various cables, settings, etc with no luck.

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Newbie here.



Will be getting a new home built with a theater starting soon. Who knows what will we available in about eight months when I have to choose, but right now the choices are the Epson 5040UB or the Sony VPL-VW675ES.



I'd rather not spend over 10K, but really want native 4K and not sure I can live with the Epson.



I've seen a Sony demo with HDTV, 1080P Blu Ray and 4K content. It was obviously very nice.



I've seen an Epson demo, but only with 1080P content. The vendor I've been talking with has 4K content, but hasn't been able to get the Epson to accept it and set the Blu Ray player to output 1080P so it would work. That bothers me.



Anyone here have both or upgraded from the Epson to the Sony? Just looking for feedback on what drove your choices and why I might like one over the other.



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Probably a poorly worded post from me.



The 675 is in my budget, I'd just rather not spend over $10K. The outfit doing the install quoted me a price of $12K last may for the 665, so I'm assuming that price will apply for the newer model.



I'm guessing that others on this forum went through the same issues I'm having, I want the best picture possible and spend as little as possible. Wondering why you made the choices you made?

I've had the VW350/365 & 675 as well as an Epson 5040UBe in here. All three of the Sonys smoke the Epson so no worries there.

The 675 is in another league and easily seen as better from the moment it's fired up. If it's in your budget I say go for it! You will just feel like you compromised and gave in with the Epson and it will rob your enjoyment of your new theater.

I know it can be had from an authorized dealer for less than what you were quoted, as I have done it.

If you do want something closer to the Epson price wise then I agree the JVC RS500/600 is without a doubt the best option!

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has anyone tried 60p 4k HDR on the 675? I'm noticing banding through my oppo 203. 24p works fine. Tried various cables, settings, etc with no luck.

I believe when the 675 gets 60p it is then limited to 8 bit color depth, hence the banding. Check to make sure. I have a display on my Panasonic UB900 that shows this. Not sure about the Oppo.
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Did anyone tried the new oppo firmware for SDR Bt.2020? If i get the changelog correct the fixed the black levels and oversaturation. Haven't had the opportunity to test it yet unfortunately.
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Did anyone tried the new oppo firmware for SDR Bt.2020? If i get the changelog correct the fixed the black levels and oversaturation. Haven't had the opportunity to test it yet unfortunately.
No, the latest update is the same as the previous beta release. They just removed the beta and made it the new official fw so to my knowledge, no improvements for the strip feature yet.
We should see something in the next beta fw (i hope).

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No, the latest update is the same as the previous beta release. They just removed the beta and made it the new official fw so to my knowledge, no improvements for the strip feature yet.
We should see something in the next beta fw (i hope).

My Oppo arrives this week, will have both the Oppo 203 and Panasonic UB900. One will be used for 4K only, the other 2K and 3D. Too much of a PITA
changing the output on the Panasonic all the time , this will simplify . Easy setup with the home automation on the ipad. One touch starts all the gear .

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My Oppo arrives this week, will have both the Oppo 203 and Panasonic UB900. One will be used for 4K only, the other 2K and 3D. Too much of a PITA
changing the output on the Panasonic all the time , this will simplify . Easy setup with the home automation on the ipad. One touch starts all the gear .
I kept my Oppo BDP103 just for Blu Rays. Just because I already have it, so why not.
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I believe when the 675 gets 60p it is then limited to 8 bit color depth, hence the banding. Check to make sure. I have a display on my Panasonic UB900 that shows this. Not sure about the Oppo.

Other than games, and I guess eventual uhd broadcast tv, what sources would give us 60p that the limited 8 bit color on the Sony would cause the banding, and is this the same as posteriorization?
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My Oppo arrives this week, will have both the Oppo 203 and Panasonic UB900. One will be used for 4K only, the other 2K and 3D. Too much of a PITA
changing the output on the Panasonic all the time , this will simplify . Easy setup with the home automation on the ipad. One touch starts all the gear .

I wonder how long it will be before we can just drop in a BR or UHD BR and the player just recognize which and play it with the proper parameters for each without all the foreplay?
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I kept my Oppo BDP103 just for Blu Rays. Just because I already have it, so why not.
I paid $150 for the Oppo 203 over the selling price of the 103D. I almost regret letting it go but at this difference I'm pretty sure it wast the right timing. Shows the high value the Oppo retains, hope the next one works
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I wonder how long it will be before we can just drop in a BR or UHD BR and the player just recognize which and play it with the proper parameters for each without all the foreplay?
Amen brother , at least one more that thinks like me . Gone are the old days where devices are plug and play. Today it's all plug and pray especially for PC . I liked the old days when manufactures did all the leg work behind the
scenes and delivered a finished product. Now we get stuff partially done and we end up Beta testers, especially early adopters .

Ive brought this up in the past but apparently I'm a complainer, not in the modern world.

Maybe it wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't pay the early adopter higher value, suffer through updates only to have a finished product delivered to late comers at a reduced price.
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I wonder how long it will be before we can just drop in a BR or UHD BR and the player just recognize which and play it with the proper parameters for each without all the foreplay?
With DV HDR and now Technicolor has another HDR, it may only get worse. Except, for me, right now, 4K UHD Blu Ray is plug and play. Using the HD Fury and the Panasonic UB900, I can just drop one in and watch it. And they look great ! Blu Rays and HDTV are also plug and play. So in my case, I'm there, now.
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My Oppo arrives this week, will have both the Oppo 203 and Panasonic UB900. One will be used for 4K only, the other 2K and 3D. Too much of a PITA
changing the output on the Panasonic all the time , this will simplify . Easy setup with the home automation on the ipad. One touch starts all the gear .
Looking forward to hear your impressions on the Oppo + 675 combo and the differences between the UB900 & 203. For now, i watch UHD blu-ray with strip metadata enabled on the Oppo and have also raised brightness in the player which results in a ok SDR2020 image but still not 100% satisfied. I have no doubts they will eventually get this right but i am not willing to wait forever. If they don`t come out with some improvements for the SDR conversion in the next fw, i might dump the Oppo and get the Pana instead.
I am also very curious to see what the Intensity Mapping software in the Radiance Pro can do for us, shouldn't be long until they release this.

Yes, it`s nice to control everything with the iPad. I do the same, have the Ultimate Harmony and use their iOS app for starting devices/activities and then i also use the Media Control app from Oppo to browse my local network for content so i hardly use the regular remote(s) anymore. Feels like there is an app for everything nowadays

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With DV HDR and now Technicolor has another HDR, it may only get worse. Except, for me, right now, 4K UHD Blu Ray is plug and play. Using the HD Fury and the Panasonic UB900, I can just drop one in and watch it. And they look great ! Blu Rays and HDTV are also plug and play. So in my case, I'm there, now.
Now that studios have said they will start releasing UHD blu-rays with Dolby Vision, i wonder how long it will take until the first DV HDR projectors will be presented?
It never stops..

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Now that studios have said they will start releasing UHD blu-rays with Dolby Vision, i wonder how long it will take until the first DV HDR projectors will be presented?
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Looking forward to hear your impressions on the Oppo + 675 combo and the differences between the UB900 & 203. For now, i watch UHD blu-ray with strip metadata enabled on the Oppo and have also raised brightness in the player which results in a ok SDR2020 image but still not 100% satisfied. I have no doubts they will eventually get this right but i am not willing to wait forever. If they don`t come out with some improvements for the SDR conversion in the next fw, i might dump the Oppo and get the Pana instead.
I am also very curious to see what the Intensity Mapping software in the Radiance Pro can do for us, shouldn't be long until they release this.

Yes, it`s nice to control everything with the iPad. I do the same, have the Ultimate Harmony and use their iOS app for starting devices/activities and then i also use the Media Control app from Oppo to browse my local network for content so i hardly use the regular remote(s) anymore. Feels like there is an app for everything nowadays
I thought you had the Lumagen Pro ? It strips/denies HDR , allowing SDR BT2020 . It's what I use , great results on both projectors.

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Now that studios have said they will start releasing UHD blu-rays with Dolby Vision, i wonder how long it will take until the first DV HDR projectors will be presented?
It never stops..
All the usual suckers will be lined up to buy the DV HDR projector and HDR will still not be working right as usual . I have known to be at the front of that line, most of the time.

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Now that studios have said they will start releasing UHD blu-rays with Dolby Vision, i wonder how long it will take until the first DV HDR projectors will be presented?
It never stops..

Even if projectors are released with DV HDR capability it'll just be something else we have to strip out!


It doesn't seem that the benefit of HDR, or it's varieties, are that useful except for perhaps pjs capable of very high light output like the laser pjs. Or at least HDR will not look nearly as good as on top tier flat panels.
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Even if projectors are released with DV HDR capability it'll just be something else we have to strip out!


It doesn't seem that the benefit of HDR, or it's varieties, are that useful except for perhaps pjs capable of very high light output like the laser pjs. Or at least HDR will not look nearly as good as on top tier flat panels.
True that! Might as well ask Oppo to include DV strip in next firmware release
HDR will most likely never look as good as on flat panels like you say but i still believe that there are improvements to be made for HDR viewing on pjs, it will just take some time.

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The Official Sony VPL-VW550ES/ VPL-VW675ES Owners Thread

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Even if projectors are released with DV HDR capability it'll just be something else we have to strip out!


It doesn't seem that the benefit of HDR, or it's varieties, are that useful except for perhaps pjs capable of very high light output like the laser pjs. Or at least HDR will not look nearly as good as on top tier flat panels.

idk, I'm utterly amazed at the HDR picture I get now. I saw it morph from horrible (5040UBe).....to wow, pretty good (365ES).....to Holy Crap! (675ES)

.......at least until the panel degrades!

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True that! Might as well ask Oppo to include DV strip in next firmware release
HDR will most likely never look as good as on flat panels like you say but i still believe that there are improvements to be made for HDR viewing on pjs, it will just take some time.

Really curious to see those settings Dave Harper talked about earlier in this thread for the 675. I hope he can share them with us.

Don't bank on it. The wolves would pounce and the circling sharks would strike and any word I write would just be chum in the water to the thoughtless, heartless killers preying for their next meal.

I'm not a man of absolutes. I know what a reference is, but I also appreciate the artistry on top of all that and where it takes you. References and standards are there as a baseline and a starting point. I've been in these so called "standards setting meetings" and they're NOT what people think. They're a bunch of science nerds with pocket protectors and tape on the bridge of their glasses that wouldn't know the passion if it snuck under their table at Applebee's. They all argue their points and then come to a final consensus, throwing away one good idea after another for whatever reason that the more type A scientist happened to fight for, or budget dollars permitted. Think "BetaMax vs VHS", or "HD-DVD vs Bluray", "Mac vs PC". The best format didn't always, nor rarely ever won.

HDR is still in its infancy and no one really knows what it's supposed to be for projectors yet, but it certainly seems like everyone's an expert here that tries to tell everyone else how it's supposed to be done, right? I say, maximize what you can and push your unit to its limits without sacrificing image quality. If it helps more than it hurts.....go for it! I did and my jaw hit the floor!

I was never like this. I was an absolute purist but I think now with TRUE 4K the pixels are so small that some of the old "no-no's" are rendered virtually unnoticeable and moot, while its attributes are enhanced. It's just like a lot of things from the old 480i analog days that are no longer relevant.

"Exceed your vision........HarperVision!"

I'll leave it at that for now.
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idk, I'm utterly amazed at the HDR picture I get now. I saw it morph from horrible (5040UBe).....to wow, pretty good (365ES).....to Holy Crap! (675ES)

.......at least until the panel degrades!

Don't bank on it. The wolves would pounce and the circling sharks would strike and any word I write would just be chum in the water to the thoughtless, heartless killers preying for their next meal.

I'm not a man of absolutes. I know what a reference is, but I also appreciate the artistry on top of all that and where it takes you. References and standards are there as a baseline and a starting point. I've been in these so called "standards setting meetings" and they're NOT what people think. They're a bunch of science nerds with pocket protectors and tape on the bridge of their glasses that wouldn't know the passion if it snuck under their table at Applebee's. They all argue their points and then come to a final consensus, throwing away one good idea after another for whatever reason that the more type A scientist happened to fight for, or budget dollars permitted. Think "BetaMax vs VHS", or "HD-DVD vs Bluray", "Mac vs PC". The best format didn't always, nor rarely ever won.

HDR is still in its infancy and no one really knows what it's supposed to be for projectors yet, but it certainly seems like everyone's an expert here that tries to tell everyone else how it's supposed to be done, right? I say, maximize what you can and push your unit to its limits without sacrificing image quality. If it helps more than it hurts.....go for it! I did and my jaw hit the floor!

I was never like this. I was an absolute purist but I think now with TRUE 4K the pixels are so small that some of the old "no-no's" are rendered virtually unnoticeable and moot, while its attributes are enhanced. It's just like a lot of things from the old 480i analog days that are no longer relevant.

"Exceed your vision........HarperVision!"

I'll leave it at that for now.
Now why on earth would you not share your settings with the rest of the 675 folk? I would love to see what you came up with on my setup. The wolves and sharks are coming for sure to challenge your claims without evidence. As a 675 owner, I really couldn't care less about the critical opinion of those who are biased and/or don't even own the unit. I'm sure I speak for other owners who share my viewpoint and that would welcome all advice, the experience and experiments of other owners.

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Now why on earth would you not share your settings with the rest of the 675 folk? I would love to see what you came up with on my setup. The wolves and sharks are coming for sure to challenge your claims without evidence. As a 675 owner, I really couldn't care less about the critical opinion of those who are biased and/or don't even own the unit. I'm sure I speak for other owners who share my viewpoint and that would welcome all advice, the experience and experiments of other owners.
Will be hard for a non Sony 665/675 owner to challenge the settings recommendations, especially when you are talking preference, not reference.
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Now why on earth would you not share your settings with the rest of the 675 folk? I would love to see what you came up with on my setup. The wolves and sharks are coming for sure to challenge your claims without evidence. As a 675 owner, I really couldn't care less about the critical opinion of those who are biased and/or don't even own the unit. I'm sure I speak for other owners who share my viewpoint and that would welcome all advice, the experience and experiments of other owners.

I agree, whatever settings that you have discovered that really pleases you, the value of this forum is to share your experience so others can try also to see if it works for them. Sure there are the Debbie Downers but they are inconsequential to those of us who look to others with hands on experience to experiment with our own set ups to maybe improve ours with whatever may have worked for others. Critique is important , but too often it becomes a valueless tit for tat exchange with someone insisting that their experience or opinion is more valuable than another's .
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Even if projectors are released with DV HDR capability it'll just be something else we have to strip out!


It doesn't seem that the benefit of HDR, or it's varieties, are that useful except for perhaps pjs capable of very high light output like the laser pjs. Or at least HDR will not look nearly as good as on top tier flat panels.

idk, I'm utterly amazed at the HDR picture I get now. I saw it morph from horrible (5040UBe).....to wow, pretty good (365ES).....to Holy Crap! (675ES)

.......at least until the panel degrades!

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True that! Might as well ask Oppo to include DV strip in next firmware release
HDR will most likely never look as good as on flat panels like you say but i still believe that there are improvements to be made for HDR viewing on pjs, it will just take some time.

Really curious to see those settings Dave Harper talked about earlier in this thread for the 675. I hope he can share them with us.

Don't bank on it. The wolves would pounce and the circling sharks would strike and any word I write would just be chum in the water to the thoughtless, heartless killers preying for their next meal.

I'm not a man of absolutes. I know what a reference is, but I also appreciate the artistry on top of all that and where it takes you. References and standards are there as a baseline and a starting point. I've been in these so called "standards setting meetings" and they're NOT what people think. They're a bunch of science nerds with pocket protectors and tape on the bridge of their glasses that wouldn't know the passion if it snuck under their table at Applebee's. They all argue their points and then come to a final consensus, throwing away one good idea after another for whatever reason that the more type A scientist happened to fight for, or budget dollars permitted. Think "BetaMax vs VHS", or "HD-DVD vs Bluray", "Mac vs PC". The best format didn't always, nor rarely ever won.

HDR is still in its infancy and no one really knows what it's supposed to be for projectors yet, but it certainly seems like everyone's an expert here that tries to tell everyone else how it's supposed to be done, right? I say, maximize what you can and push your unit to its limits without sacrificing image quality. If it helps more than it hurts.....go for it! I did and my jaw hit the floor!

I was never like this. I was an absolute purist but I think now with TRUE 4K the pixels are so small that some of the old "no-no's" are rendered virtually unnoticeable and moot, while its attributes are enhanced. It's just like a lot of things from the old 480i analog days that are no longer relevant.

"Exceed your vision........HarperVision!"

I'll leave it at that for now.
I promise I won't judge! I have the 675 as well and would love to hear your settings so I can check them out. Don't hold back for the people who are on here trying to get the best out of their equipment, who cares about the critics, they're everywhere.
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Maybe owners can PM Dave for the settings?
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Now why on earth would you not share your settings with the rest of the 675 folk? I would love to see what you came up with on my setup. The wolves and sharks are coming for sure to challenge your claims without evidence. As a 675 owner, I really couldn't care less about the critical opinion of those who are biased and/or don't even own the unit. I'm sure I speak for other owners who share my viewpoint and that would welcome all advice, the experience and experiments of other owners.
Oh I am going to, in due time. I just have to do my due diligence before I post anything.

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Will be hard for a non Sony 665/675 owner to challenge the settings recommendations, especially when you are talking preference, not reference.
I like to call it........."Reference +"! ........aka: "The HarperVision" Experience"! Coming soon to a town near you!

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I agree, whatever settings that you have discovered that really pleases you, the value of this forum is to share your experience so others can try also to see if it works for them. Sure there are the Debbie Downers but they are inconsequential to those of us who look to others with hands on experience to experiment with our own set ups to maybe improve ours with whatever may have worked for others. Critique is important , but too often it becomes a valueless tit for tat exchange with someone insisting that their experience or opinion is more valuable than another's .
Well said and agreed.

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I promise I won't judge! I have the 675 as well and would love to hear your settings so I can check them out. Don't hold back for the people who are on here trying to get the best out of their equipment, who cares about the critics, they're everywhere.
Well, considering what happened after I questioned "some things" in other threads and provided proof, let's just say I need to tread lightly.

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Maybe owners can PM Dave for the settings?
Sure, but I don't have hard numbers yet, as stated. I've been real busy doing real work things and this hobby fell to the back burner, sorry guys.
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