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VPL-VW550ES throw Distance

Does anyone know if the VPL-VW550ES can fill a 130 inch screen from around 5 meters?

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Does anyone know if the VPL-VW550ES can fill a 130 inch screen from around 5 meters?

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what do you mean by 130" screen?

I have a 136" diagonal 2.35:1 , 1.6 gain screen . Fills that with plenty to spare on low lamp alone .

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Does anyone know if the VPL-VW550ES can fill a 130 inch screen from around 5 meters?

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what do you mean by 130" screen?

I have a 136" diagonal 2.35:1 , 1.6 gain screen . Fills that with plenty to spare on low lamp alone .
Do you use anamorphic lens? Debating getting one but man they're expensive.
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Do you use anamorphic lens? Debating getting one but man they're expensive.
go here the 665 will have the same throw as the 675es (550).

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sony...ulator-pro.htm

to keep it simple yes it will.

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Do you use anamorphic lens? Debating getting one but man they're expensive.
I have been using the anamorphic lens for years, currently own a DC1 . I don't need the DC1 to fill the screen I have for 2D or 3D actually,but it does brighten up
the image when necessary by a full 15%, very significant if you need that little extra for 3D, HDR , a larger scope screen or to just fill the pincushion shape of a curved
screen as I have .

My DC1 is for sale. When I sell that one I'm moving up to the latest Paladin lens from Panamorph.

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Roxiedog13,

What is your take between the sony vpl675es vs jvc rs600?

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No problem. Just curious, but is there a reason you aren't considering the JVC RS500/520 or 600/620 since you're thinking of the Epson 5040/6040? As has been reported many times here, they are extremely close in image quality (uh oh, did I just say that word again? ) to the 665/675 from Sony, but they're lower in street price, especially the rs500/600 since they're on clearance at AVS.
I know I looked at them early on and decided on the Epson for some reason and haven't researched them any further.

Do they not have any of the issues accepting a true 4K input that the Epsons have?

Do they have other issues?
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I know I looked at them early on and decided on the Epson for some reason and haven't researched them any further.

Do they not have any of the issues accepting a true 4K input that the Epsons have?

Do they have other issues?
All projectors have issues, you just have to decide what you can and can not live with. If you have any questions, I would be happy to help.
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All projectors have issues, you just have to decide what you can and can not live with. If you have any questions, I would be happy to help.
A biggie for me is for the projector to accept 4K input. Obviously the Epson's can, but there are issues that I see from posts on this forum. I would rather get a projector I don't have to jury rig in order to view 4K.

I haven't had a chance to go through the JVC thread to see if any of their projectors have that issue.

I did look at JVC's site and their new lineup this year DLA-X570R, DLA-X570R and DLA-X970R. The specs look really good, is this just a minor update from previous models that I could look at?
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A biggie for me is for the projector to accept 4K input. Obviously the Epson's can, but there are issues that I see from posts on this forum. I would rather get a projector I don't have to jury rig in order to view 4K.

I haven't had a chance to go through the JVC thread to see if any of their projectors have that issue.

I did look at JVC's site and their new lineup this year DLA-X570R, DLA-X570R and DLA-X970R. The specs look really good, is this just a minor update from previous models that I could look at?
The JVC projectors do a good job displaying 4K content. The updated models have improved gaming lag as the main improvement. Also how they handle HDR is easier. Great deals are available for the 400, 500 and 600 for those that do not need the low lag gaming mode.
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The JVC projectors do a good job displaying 4K content. The updated models have improved gaming lag as the main improvement. Also how they handle HDR is easier. Great deals are available for the 400, 500 and 600 for those that do not need the low lag gaming mode.
Thanks Mike.

I'll go through the JVC threads and look at some older JVC reviews. Although if the newer models handle HDR easier, I always like easy.
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And the JVCs have the full 18Gbps HDMI input, so there shouldn't be any issue whatsoever of accepting any current 4K signals.

I suspect the 675ES actually does too, but isn't fully activated yet for whatever reason. I'm in the process of trying to confirm that though.

Also remember, the JVCs aren't true 4K. They use eShift as the Epson does, but their version is better, as well as some other things like the lens and native contrast ratios that make it very close to the on screen performance of the native 4K Sonys. It's kind of pick your poison. In general, if you want better native contrast pick JVC, if you want slightly sharper higher pixel fill, pick Sony.
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And the JVCs have the full 18Gbps HDMI input, so there shouldn't be any issue whatsoever of accepting any current 4K signals.

I suspect the 675ES actually does too, but isn't fully activated yet for whatever reason. I'm in the process of trying to confirm that though.

Also remember, the JVCs aren't true 4K. They use eShift as the Epson does, but their version is better, as well as some other things like the lens and native contrast ratios that make it very close to the on screen performance of the native 4K Sonys. It's kind of pick your poison. In general, if you want better native contrast pick JVC, if you want slightly sharper higher pixel fill, pick Sony.
Curious what you find out with the Sony, my first choice has always been the Sony. As we get closer to building I'm looking for areas I can compromise and the projector could be one area.

I looked at a JVC review and it does sound good.
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I've been reading A LOT about these projectors, but I'm still confused. Hopefully someone can clear things up for me.

The key things I'm after is a projector that can accept a 4K HDR signal at 60hz. I will be gaming on it a lot, so low input lag is a must. It will also need to work with the xbox one S and PS4 Pro.

My understanding is the following:
Epson 6040: will only work if you use something like the HDFury. Lag is good. HD Fury need made me scratch it off my list.
JVC 420/520: lag finally good, should work with PS4/xbox. Some new owners are reporting strange issues (like pink colors using HDR on the PS4 Pro). Assuming these kinks are figures out, it should fit the bill.

Sony 675ES: This is where things start getting fuzzy for me. I've heard that low latency is turned off with 4k/HDR, but then I heard that is because it is on by default not off... so which is it? Will this do 4k/HDR/60hz for Xbox One S and PS4 Pro??
Sony 365ES: So what about the younger brother? I've heard it doesn't support HDR on the PS4 Pro or Xbox One S. What about it is different that this feature works on the 675 but not the 365? What about 4k input lag?

I've been a long time owner of the Sony HW30ES, and would prefer to stick with Sony. Can someone convince me if a Sony would work or if I just switch to JVC?
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OK, I just got this email from someone "in the know" working with Sony. It looks like it's a new Iris (as I stated and was contested on) and Optical Block (which further confirms my theory that the real degradation fix is on the 675ES) on the 675 vs the 665, since the part numbers are different and not just a revision of an old part #. The Iris Assembly and Optical Block come together as one unit/part number, as confirmed below:

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Good evening David,

I apologize for the delayed response, xxxxxxxx was unavailable to field my questions. However, I was able to get in touch with him today and he stated that the Iris Assembly is a component of the optical block, and cannot be ordered separately.
For your reference, the part numbers of the optical block for the units in question are listed below.

VVW665ES – A-2085-961-A
VW675ES – A-2165-334-A
VW5000ES – A-2117-313-A

If you have additional concerns, I would be happy to help!

Thank you,
Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxx
I suppose one of the parts (Iris or OB) could be the same as the 665 and integrated with the other new part, to make the totally new part number, but I doubt it since they seem to work together as one, hence being only sold as one part #. Could be tweaked together though I guess with corresponding FW. Someone previously mentioned possibly taking one apart. That could be good to see actual numbers on the parts themselves I guess to totally know for sure.
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I've been reading A LOT about these projectors, but I'm still confused. Hopefully someone can clear things up for me.

The key things I'm after is a projector that can accept a 4K HDR signal at 60hz. I will be gaming on it a lot, so low input lag is a must. It will also need to work with the xbox one S and PS4 Pro.

My understanding is the following:
Epson 6040: will only work if you use something like the HDFury. Lag is good. HD Fury need made me scratch it off my list.
JVC 420/520: lag finally good, should work with PS4/xbox. Some new owners are reporting strange issues (like pink colors using HDR on the PS4 Pro). Assuming these kinks are figures out, it should fit the bill.

Sony 675ES: This is where things start getting fuzzy for me. I've heard that low latency is turned off with 4k/HDR, but then I heard that is because it is on by default not off... so which is it? Will this do 4k/HDR/60hz for Xbox One S and PS4 Pro??
Sony 365ES: So what about the younger brother? I've heard it doesn't support HDR on the PS4 Pro or Xbox One S. What about it is different that this feature works on the 675 but not the 365? What about 4k input lag?

I've been a long time owner of the Sony HW30ES, and would prefer to stick with Sony. Can someone convince me if a Sony would work or if I just switch to JVC?
I'm also in a dilemma regarding the 620 vs 675es. I've always had Sony PJs (have a 95ES currently). The price difference between the two is substantial and it seems that, price aside, many still prefer the JVCs. Is it really as simple as "better blacks" (JVC) or "higher pixel density" (Sony) ? I wish tis was an easier decision. I have an Oculus Rift and do 90% of my gaming in VR, so I don't think the lag performance would be an issue.
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I'm also in a dilemma regarding the 620 vs 675es. I've always had Sony PJs (have a 95ES currently). The price difference between the two is substantial and it seems that, price aside, many still prefer the JVCs. Is it really as simple as "better blacks" (JVC) or "higher pixel density" (Sony) ? I wish tis was an easier decision. I have an Oculus Rift and do 90% of my gaming in VR, so I don't think the lag performance would be an issue.
It's a hard choice. I had both a Sony VW600 4K projector and a JVC RS600 in my theater at the same time, for over a year. The good news - you can't make a bad choice between the 620 or the 675 - it's going to be a killer projector either way.
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go here the 665 will have the same throw as the 675es (550).

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sony...ulator-pro.htm

to keep it simple yes it will.
The Projector Central calculator is not accurate. I recently saw a demo with 158" 2.35:1 screen projected by a Sony Vpl-Vw320es with Panamorph Paladin anamorphic lens. The image was very bright and the details were jaw dropping. Also saw a demo with 138" 2.35:1 screen projected by a Jvc RS500 with the same Paladin lens. The image and its details were equal to that of Sony320es (but the limitation is that I saw with two different screen sizes and I dunno if both were brightness matched, so I dunno which one is better), but the image from the Sony felt a bit "thicker", maybe its due to the screen. Also it is widely debated whether anamorphic lenses increase brightness for a 16:9 screen, but for projecting a 2.35:1 its very useful.

To answer Colm Digby's question: Yes it can easily. Am in a predicament right now whether 550es/675es will fill a 165" 16:9 1.1 gain screen which is what am planning for my new home theater. Roxiedog13 suggested me to go for a the Sony5000es. Though am glad Roxie thinks high of my financial status, the best I can do is just stick with that gladness and never let it get away from me .

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And the JVCs have the full 18Gbps HDMI input, so there shouldn't be any issue whatsoever of accepting any current 4K signals.

I suspect the 675ES actually does too, but isn't fully activated yet for whatever reason. I'm in the process of trying to confirm that though.

Also remember, the JVCs aren't true 4K. They use eShift as the Epson does, but their version is better, as well as some other things like the lens and native contrast ratios that make it very close to the on screen performance of the native 4K Sonys. It's kind of pick your poison. In general, if you want better native contrast pick JVC, if you want slightly sharper higher pixel fill, pick Sony.
Dave,
Looking at the 675es manual, the projector only supports 3840x2160 60P 4:2:0 The manual says that this is as of September, 2016.
Do you know if they have updated the firmware to support 4:4:X?

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And the JVCs have the full 18Gbps HDMI input, so there shouldn't be any issue whatsoever of accepting any current 4K signals.

I suspect the 675ES actually does too, but isn't fully activated yet for whatever reason. I'm in the process of trying to confirm that though.

Also remember, the JVCs aren't true 4K. They use eShift as the Epson does, but their version is better, as well as some other things like the lens and native contrast ratios that make it very close to the on screen performance of the native 4K Sonys. It's kind of pick your poison. In general, if you want better native contrast pick JVC, if you want slightly sharper higher pixel fill, pick Sony.
Dave,
Looking at the 675es manual, the projector only supports 3840x2160 60P 4:2:0 The manual says that this is as of September, 2016.
Do you know if they have updated the firmware to support 4:4:X?
No firmware update yet. People are suspecting that when broadcast HDR format comes out(Hyper Log Gamma), which the 675es has and will be released later in firmware update, that it may end up allowing the full 4K60p 12bit 4:4:4 because of what HLG specs are but no one knows for sure so it's just speculation at this point. It does do 4K24p 12bit 4:4:4 which is confirmed by me and Dave Harper(he showed pictures) which is above what current 4K Blu Ray standards are. 4K60p would be used more for gaming or if movie makers start doing movies with that spec(see Billy Lynn's Halftime show).
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Do you use anamorphic lens? Debating getting one but man they're expensive.
I have been using the anamorphic lens for years, currently own a DC1 . I don't need the DC1 to fill the screen I have for 2D or 3D actually,but it does brighten up
the image when necessary by a full 15%, very significant if you need that little extra for 3D, HDR , a larger scope screen or to just fill the pincushion shape of a curved
screen as I have .

My DC1 is for sale. When I sell that one I'm moving up to the latest Paladin lens from Panamorph.
I've been looking at the Panamorph Phoenix myself. Will it widen the 16:9 image to fit my 2.35:1 screen as well?
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Looking at the 675es manual, the projector only supports 3840x2160 60P 4:2:0 The manual says that this is as of September, 2016.

Do you know if they have updated the firmware to support 4:4:X?

Yes that's correct, at 10 bits. I don't believe the FW is updated to support anything more as of yet. At least that's what I've come away with so far. I've gotten the Integral to show 60p 4:4:4 12bit 600Mhz in its GUI while hooked to the 675, and it shows that being output but it won't lock sync. Could be cable related. Maybe a future FW will enable that if the 675 is truly capable, idk.

It's really kind of moot since there's no real sources that output that except maybe a high end HTPC (MadVR?). I haven't played in that realm yet but I know @Javs has. Maybe he can chime in?
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Yes that's correct, at 10 bits. I don't believe the FW is updated to support anything more as of yet. At least that's what I've come away with so far. I've gotten the Integral to show 60p 4:4:4 12bit 600Mhz in its GUI while hooked to the 675, and it shows that being output but it won't lock sync. Could be cable related. Maybe a future FW will enable that if the 675 is truly capable, idk.

It's really kind of moot since there's no real sources that output that except maybe a high end HTPC (MadVR?). I haven't played in that realm yet but I know @Javs has. Maybe he can chime in?

Well a PC desktop is 2160p 8 bit 4:4:4 RGB through HDMI (Thats 17.8gbps). Anybody playing games on one would need it straight off the bat.

I only use MadVR in 2160p/23.976hz 12bit 4:4:4 for movies. Your units should do that yeah?

I also use the same res on the Panasonic UB900, but Netflix when I watch that is 60p and that maxes out the throughput too especially in HDR.

A PS4 Pro also uses up to and including 18gbps for 4k/60p 4:4:4 gaming in hdr at 8 bit and 4:2:2 HDR in 10bit.

You must have made a spelling error in your first paragraph because the most that HDMI can possibly ever transmit right now (never mind the Sony's even) is 4k/60p 4:4:4 8bit. I am pretty sure the Integral will show whatever resolution you ask it to but anything syncing is another matter.

12 bit 4:4:4 at 60p would be over 72gbps...

Re the integral Dave Pick up some Monoprice certified cables. I had an issue with the Fury not liking my hdmi cables which I knew could pass 18gbps as I had done it for months and months with not a single sync issue with not fury in the chain. Funny enough when I bought the cert cables it worked through the Fury too.
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OK, the moment you've all been waiting for........

"The HarperVision Experience"........(cue the fanfare and drumroll! )

Put these settings in and drop in The Revenant. The scene at about 1:54:30 (and many others!) is simply jaw dropping!



Remember to tweak things like brightness, contrast, color and tint slightly to optimize for your environment. I used R.Masciola's UHD Test Pattern Suite .MP4. Also remember to check focus and don't do it just from the center. Go to each side and alternate back and forth until it's uniform as much as you can between them. Also check panel alignment. I had to tweak mine a tad. I'm. I'm not going to show my RGB greyscale numbers because each is different and I don't want to mess anyone up using my exact settings. Just use the D65 setting, calibrate it yourself if you have the tools or call in a pro.

The settings in the Panasonic UB900 are all the standard ones on auto, etc. Deep Color is on as Javs pointed out a few posts back, showing the 4:4:4 bit depth.

I know some of these seem a little "extreme", but all settings combined along with an amazing HDR source it just seems to make this projector sing like I've never experienced before on this or any other unit. The depth of the image is so detailed and 3D, it's almost like watching 3D without the glasses, ghosting, crosstalk and brightness loss.

As I've said, HDR is in its infancy, especially with projectors, so these combinations of settings seem to bring out the best to make this projector display HDR with WCG to its fullest capability. Things like using Full mode give you a little extra black to white peak range that seems to help more than it hurts. Contrast Enhancer on High dynamically changes as the APL does and seems to allow it to follow what the scene is trying to do, which in HDR with a limited brightness (nit) display seems to really help as well, like really good ANSI of a DLP or something. You can try it on medium. I had it that way for awhile too. It also really helps with the depth of the image, I've noticed. Reality Creation also helps with this.

Ive noticed some of these create small anomalies and artifacts when you're up to the screen, as expected, but as soon as you're back at your seat watching, they all seem to meld together in perfect harmony without making the picture look fake or artificial. I've said it before, I think the smaller pixel size and fill of 4K really helps hide the things that would be more obvious in 480p, 720p and 1080i/p. I think we have to look at new ways of doing this now with 4K UHD HDR WCG on projectors for the foreseeable future.

This is going to be a bright, punchy, colorful, detailed and sharp picture, so maybe not for everyone, especially the true purists that can't deviate due to OCD or something or just personal preference. I know, I've been there, but for the others I think you'll really enjoy what you're about to experience.

In the end, it's not 100% "by the book", but it's gonna make the pictures in that book look absolutely stunning! This thing looks like a giant 138" 2.35:1 scope HDR flat panel almost, maybe better in some ways......Enjoy!
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Well a PC desktop is 2160p 8 bit 4:4:4 RGB through HDMI (Thats 17.8gbps). Anybody playing games on one would need it straight off the bat.

I only use MadVR in 2160p/23.976hz 12bit 4:4:4 for movies. Your units should do that yeah?

I also use the same res on the Panasonic UB900, but Netflix when I watch that is 60p and that maxes out the throughput too especially in HDR.

A PS4 Pro also uses up to and including 18gbps for 4k/60p 4:4:4 gaming in hdr at 8 bit and 4:2:2 HDR in 10bit.

You must have made a spelling error in your first paragraph because the most that HDMI can possibly ever transmit right now (never mind the Sony's even) is 4k/60p 4:4:4 8bit. I am pretty sure the Integral will show whatever resolution you ask it to but anything syncing is another matter.

12 bit 4:4:4 at 60p would be over 72gbps...

Re the integral Dave Pick up some Monoprice certified cables. I had an issue with the Fury not liking my hdmi cables which I knew could pass 18gbps as I had done it for months and months with not a single sync issue with not fury in the chain. Funny enough when I bought the cert cables it worked through the Fury too.

Yes actually I think it just said 4K60p 4:4:4 600Mhz on the screen with no bit depth. I deduced the same thing, that it took whatever I threw at it, but syncing is a whole other ball of wax.

I'll have to look into monoprice, yes. I have a nice thick high end cable that hasn't had any issues syncing what I've thrown at it, but my curiosity is killing me thinking maybe it can't push anything higher.

Thanks for the HTPC info! I have been able to run mine into my flat panel at that res/spec. Haven't tried it on my 675 yet, but doubt it'll work.
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The Official Sony VPL-VW550ES/ VPL-VW675ES Owners Thread

OMG, when the bad dude stands up and walks towards Leonardo's character in the woods with the sun shining behind him, it's so freaking realistic, I can't believe it. The specular highlights and lens flare are amazing!!! It's 44:50 into the movie.

(Sorry I forget their names and the sound is off)

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OMG, when the bad dude stands up and walks towards Leonardo's character in the woods with the sun shining behind him, it's so freaking realistic, I can't believe it. The specular highlights and lens flare are amazing!!! It's 44:50 into the movie.

(Sorry I forget their names and the sound is off)
Hello,

can you please post your reality creation numbers for all of us? :-)

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It's a hard choice. I had both a Sony VW600 4K projector and a JVC RS600 in my theater at the same time, for over a year. The good news - you can't make a bad choice between the 620 or the 675 - it's going to be a killer projector either way.
Thanks Craig, I've always appreciated your input !
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Thanks Craig, I've always appreciated your input !
Thanks! It could also boil down to how much you want to spend. If you are comfortable spending the money for the VW675, and want true 4K, you will love the picture. If spending that much makes you uncomfortable, get the JVC.
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Thanks! It could also boil down to how much you want to spend. If you are comfortable spending the money for the VW675, and want true 4K, you will love the picture. If spending that much makes you uncomfortable, get the JVC.
We'll be able to get HDR on this correct?
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