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The curves give you a 1000 nit and 4000 nit curve, you don't want to use contrast at all.

You actually want to set bbi to 0 then use bbo to clip blacks to bar 64 being black. Then when you have your bbo dialled in for black at level 64 and you saved it, you should use brightness try 2 or 3 clicks to see how much you need to raise it to clip to bar 77 black, some films have content raised to 77 is why, otherwise most of the time, and unless you notice a raised black floor, use brightness on 0 and 64 black. That is kind of a new development, there is more info in my waveform thread I made yesterday, have a look at a bunch of the shots I posted, you will see most titles have black at 64, so that's what we need to do now.

The white pattern is in the HDR Clipping Patterns folder.
Excellent Javs. I am redoing my Auto calibration for SDR and HDR first then will upload the 2 curves. Question...in your instructions you say to copy everything over to a User profile instead of using HDR. I have not done this in my x770 (uploaded your curves a while back) as I can use custom/import in my HDR mode and it seems to have uploaded just fine. Am I missing something? Was this for a previous model and x770 is different? Second question, using Ryan M's patterns....I had been working with him to get his patterns to work nicely with ATV4k as part of my itunes library. He found the issue and gave me the Black Clipping pattern to test and works awesome in HDR. However, I do not have the Grey Pattern. How are you guys using his patterns in full HDR mode and from what source?
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So the DI on my 9500 isn't working anymore when watching UHD via the HTPC, Metadata is disabled in MadVr it all looks good settings wise yet it just does not work. Interesting.

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So the DI on my 9500 isn't working anymore when watching UHD via the HTPC, Metadata is disabled in MadVr it all looks good settings wise yet it just does not work. Interesting.
Is the black floor raised in your testing material?

Guessing you are clipping to 64 black now? Perhaps some of the content has slightly raised blacks.

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Excellent Javs. I am redoing my Auto calibration for SDR and HDR first then will upload the 2 curves. Question...in your instructions you say to copy everything over to a User profile instead of using HDR. I have not done this in my x770 (uploaded your curves a while back) as I can use custom/import in my HDR mode and it seems to have uploaded just fine. Am I missing something? Was this for a previous model and x770 is different? Second question, using Ryan M's patterns....I had been working with him to get his patterns to work nicely with ATV4k as part of my itunes library. He found the issue and gave me the Black Clipping pattern to test and works awesome in HDR. However, I do not have the Grey Pattern. How are you guys using his patterns in full HDR mode and from what source?
Ryans patterns work just fine through MadVR and also the Panasonic UB900 UHD Player.

And no, you havent missed anything, if you copy everything to a user profile you get less errors within the Arve tool. The x790 will not even do it if I recall since it wont recognise the HDR mode.

Doesnt really matter what mode you are in as long as the curves upload fine, being in a user mode will present the least issues though.

I personally have two HDR modes anyway, so for me it makes sense to make two user modes right next to my SDR user mode. Easier and quicker to switch between modes.

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Is the black floor raised in your testing material?

Guessing you are clipping to 64 black now? Perhaps some of the content has slightly raised blacks.
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Getting my Vertex this week! What is the best Auto mode for DI? 1 or 2?
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Getting my Vertex this week! What is the best Auto mode for DI? 1 or 2?
Dealer's choice. 1 is more aggressive and will go deeper but you may see the rare artifact (I haven't seen any yet) or 2 that will not go as deep but will be more accurate. I prefer 1.

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I'm trying to do a 100 hour calibration. First up is setting for 1080p upscaled by Oppo 203 player.

I'm using the AVS HD709 patterns.

What is the proper place to adjust brightness, contrast, etc for 1080p source material--on the JVC or on the Oppo? I'm doing this on the JVC under User1. Hopefully this is correct.

With my User 1 settings at:
Color: Custom1
ColorTemp: 6500K
Gamma: Custom1

I have up up Brightness to +7 get the 17 black bar to flash, and Contrast to -3 display the white bars properly.
+7 seemed a bit high....but maybe that is normal? Picture looks good I think, but maybe a bit washed out...hard to really say since the settings are quite a bit off from what I had them before.

Color and Tint both seem spot on.

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I'm trying to do a 100 hour calibration. First up is setting for 1080p upscaled by Oppo 203 player.

I'm using the AVS HD709 patterns.

What is the proper place to adjust brightness, contrast, etc for 1080p source material--on the JVC or on the Oppo? I'm doing this on the JVC under User1. Hopefully this is correct.

With my User 1 settings at:
Color: Custom1
ColorTemp: 6500K
Gamma: Custom1

I have up up Brightness to +7 get the 17 black bar to flash, and Contrast to -3 display the white bars properly.
+7 seemed a bit high....but maybe that is normal? Picture looks good I think, but maybe a bit washed out...hard to really say since the settings are quite a bit off from what I had them before.

Color and Tint both seem spot on.
Always on the projector first as otherwise all sources will produce a different looking image. However what you are attempting to do isn't a calibration.
Your settings seem wrong you should not really have to move brightness and contrast from 0 at all if all is setup right.
Are you trying to do an autocal? What is your Input Level settings on the PJ? It should be set to Auto. No need to touch color and tint either.
You should either get HCFR and a color meter or a Spyder 5 for Autocal or best do both.

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Always on the projector first as otherwise all sources will produce a different looking image. However what you are attempting to do isn't a calibration.
Your settings seem wrong you should not really have to move brightness and contrast from 0 at all if all is setup right.
Are you trying to do an autocal? What is your Input Level settings on the PJ? It should be set to Auto. No need to touch color and tint either.
You should either get HCFR and a color meter or a Spyder 5 for Autocal or best do both.

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Thanks for the quick response.

I have not gotten to an autocal yet....just trying to get brightness and contrast correct.

Yes on Auto for the input level. Source is Oppo203 straight to the projector playing the AVS HD709 patterns. Output on Oppo is set to 4K, Ypbyr 4:2:2...with all of it's video adjustments to 0.

With the JVC brighness setting at 0, I can't make out the last 3 flashing back bars. Need to move it up to brightness +7 see "17 flashing" per the instructions.

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Thanks for the quick response.

I have not gotten to an autocal yet....just trying to get brightness and contrast correct.

Yes on Auto for the input level. Source is Oppo203 straight to the projector playing the AVS HD709 patterns. Output on Oppo is set to 4K, Ypbyr 4:2:2...with all of it's video adjustments to 0.

With the JVC brighness setting at 0, I can't make out the last 3 flashing back bars. Need to move it up to brightness +7 see "17 flashing" per the instructions.
I'd be surprised if you needed to go more than +1 if that. Make sure the input/hdmi levels on the oppo are also set to auto or normal. These discs can be misleading I remember trying to do similar back in the day with the Disney Woow discs and it got me to raise things high as well but all turned out incorrect all should have been left at 0.

Do you have PC to run some patterns on? Check some content such as Interstellar, at 53:39 does it look correct? Deep black space and bright stars or washed out looking greyness? Or the beginning of Blade Runner pause at the first totally black frame check it looks correct as in totally black.
Also is your room totally blacked out? Any stray light will ruin these things.

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Javs, so I am resolving blacks via bbo down to 64 with 68 barely flashing. When I do that, and you suggest to test brightness setting to see how many clicks to get to 77 black, I believe you mean turning brightness down? sorry, dumb question but I did that and 3 clicks down to brightness gave me 77 black and 81 barely flashing. Does that all sound good?
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Javs, so I am resolving blacks via bbo down to 64 with 68 barely flashing. When I do that, and you suggest to test brightness setting to see how many clicks to get to 77 black, I believe you mean turning brightness down? sorry, dumb question but I did that and 3 clicks down to brightness gave me 77 black and 81 barely flashing. Does that all sound good?
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Takes me 4, but 3 sounds right too.

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I'd be surprised if you needed to go more than +1 if that. Make sure the input/hdmi levels on the oppo are also set to auto or normal. These discs can be misleading I remember trying to do similar back in the day with the Disney Woow discs and it got me to raise things high as well but all turned out incorrect all should have been left at 0.

Do you have PC to run some patterns on? Check some content such as Interstellar, at 53:39 does it look correct? Deep black space and bright stars or washed out looking greyness? Or the beginning of Blade Runner pause at the first totally black frame check it looks correct as in totally black.
Also is your room totally blacked out? Any stray light will ruin these things.

Would the Strip Metadata setting on the Oppo affect BluRay playback? I didn't think it would, but went ahead and set UHD to OFF on the Oppo and ran the test patterns again.

Now, with Brightness on the JVC set to +3 I can just make out the 17 bar flashing. Contrast at -2 for the White 234 bar to barely flash. Checked the first space scene on the Interstellar BluRay and space is Black with just the white stars showing brightly. Looks good to me.

How are others setting brightness and contrast, or are you just leaving them set to 0 out of the box on the JVC?

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Would the Strip Metadata setting on the Oppo affect BluRay playback? I didn't think it would, but went ahead and set UHD to OFF on the Oppo and ran the test patterns again.

Now, with Brightness on the JVC set to +3 I can just make out the 17 bar flashing. Contrast at -2 for the White 234 bar to barely flash. Checked the first space scene on the Interstellar BluRay and space is Black with just the white stars showing brightly. Looks good to me.

How are others setting brightness and contrast, or are you just leaving them set to 0 out of the box on the JVC?
That sounds good now. Well better. I have mine at 0 but +1 gets me to see 17 perfectly. No, that option in the Oppo should only affect UHD playback. I got rid of the Oppo long ago as it did weird things so I wouldn't be surprised if that was fooling you

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That sounds good now. Well better. I have mine at 0 but +1 gets me to see 17 perfectly. No, that option in the Oppo should only affect UHD playback. I got rid of the Oppo long ago as it did weird things so I wouldn't be surprised if that was fooling you
Thanks. I'm getting there I think!

Maybe a dumb question...I believe there are 2 spots to set "brightness"...one under the settings for the User mode...and one within the gamma menu. Which should be used to adjust? I assume the one in the UserMode settings?

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Thanks. I'm getting there I think!

Maybe a dumb question...I believe there are 2 spots to set "brightness"...one under the settings for the User mode...and one within the gamma menu. Which should be used to adjust? I assume the one in the UserMode settings?
They are two different settings no need to touch gamma at all, that needs to be autocal-d.

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They are two different settings no need to touch gamma at all, that needs to be autocal-d.
One more question....for now....Graphics Mode...should that be "2k" for 1080P source? Not sure why it would offer that as a selection.....

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One more question....for now....Graphics Mode...should that be "2k" for 1080P source? Not sure why it would offer that as a selection.....
Just leave it on 4K all good there.

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Weird 3D Issue

I have a Samsung BDJ 7500 3D Bluray player, RS520, and XPAND X105-RF-X1 3D glasses.
I've watched numerous 3D movies in the approx 80 hrs I've used the projector, and they've all looked great.
Last night we tried to watch Dr Strange 3D, and every time the glasses picked up the 3D signal, they turned into welders goggles. They made the picture so dark you could barely make it out. Take off the glasses, and the picture had a normal brightness level. I tried a couple other 3D movies I have, and they all looked great.
I thought it might be the movie so I tried it on my 4K 3D samsung 60" with the same BDJ7500 player and the same XPAND glasses......The movie looked fine.
Obviously it's some type of issue between the projector and the glasses, but I'm wondering why it's just this particular disc it's happening with, and if there's a setting or adjustment that would cause this? I've read the manual and there's very little info about 3D in it. Also searched on line and found nothing.
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I have a Samsung BDJ 7500 3D Bluray player, RS520, and XPAND X105-RF-X1 3D glasses.
I've watched numerous 3D movies in the approx 80 hrs I've used the projector, and they've all looked great.
Last night we tried to watch Dr Strange 3D, and every time the glasses picked up the 3D signal, they turned into welders goggles. They made the picture so dark you could barely make it out. Take off the glasses, and the picture had a normal brightness level. I tried a couple other 3D movies I have, and they all looked great.
I thought it might be the movie so I tried it on my 4K 3D samsung 60" with the same BDJ7500 player and the same XPAND glasses......The movie looked fine.
Obviously it's some type of issue between the projector and the glasses, but I'm wondering why it's just this particular disc it's happening with, and if there's a setting or adjustment that would cause this? I've read the manual and there's very little info about 3D in it. Also searched on line and found nothing.
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What happens when you turn the glasses 90 degrees clockwise?

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What happens when you turn the glasses 90 degrees clockwise?
I'll have to try that.........What would that do??

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just it a shot and let us know
Not sure if my initial post was taken seriously but in case anyone is interested.....Turning the projector off and then back on solved the problem. The movie looked great after I did that.
I still don't understand (nor does JVC Tech support) why it only did it with that particular movie.
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Not sure if my initial post was taken seriously but in case anyone is interested.....Turning the projector off and then back on solved the problem. The movie looked great after I did that.
I still don't understand (nor does JVC Tech support) why it only did it with that particular movie.
Could be polarisation which is why we asked you to turn the glasses to test. Seriously

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Just leave it on 4K all good there.
@Bandyka I've also played with this option and I can't really tell if it make the image sharper.. Sometimes i think its the opposite so I left it at 2k.. Is this a sure thing should we leave it at 4k?
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@Bandyka I've also played with this option and I can't really tell if it make the image sharper.. Sometimes i think its the opposite so I left it at 2k.. Is this a sure thing should we leave it at 4k?
Yes.

This option does more and more the higher you put the Enhance slider.

If you are using a 4k input resolution though, up-scaled or not, you should set it to 4k. 2K option is what the previous gens algorithms did. Its more course and not as fine detailed.

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@Bandyka I've also played with this option and I can't really tell if it make the image sharper.. Sometimes i think its the opposite so I left it at 2k.. Is this a sure thing should we leave it at 4k?
As Javs said,

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hahaha ok man whatever you guys do is what I'm doing..
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