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I think the X770 is as sharp or perhaps a tad bit sharper than the RS45 with a darbee on eshift. I honestly haven't taken it off eshift for movies. Directv was as good as I remember on the RS45 using 1080i. Colors were more vibrant and contrast better on the X770 though. I don't have time to calibrate as my kids run me ragged, so I can't verify as to how accurate they are.

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I think the X770 is as sharp or perhaps a tad bit sharper than the RS45 with a darbee on eshift. I honestly haven't taken it off eshift for movies. Directv was as good as I remember on the RS45 using 1080i. Colors were more vibrant and contrast better on the X770 though. I don't have time to calibrate as my kids run me ragged, so I can't verify as to how accurate they are.

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Still using my RS-45, for now...

I compared an RS-46 to an RS-67 at a dealer before, I was surprised how well the RS-46 held up against it other than black levels. Of course the RS-67 absolutely killed it in the one Harry Potter scene I tested, but that was mainly because the RS-46 didn't have a DI. The RS-67 barely beat an RS-56 I later tested it against, the improvement was almost invisible.

The RS-5xx/6xx are just so much brighter, and the contrast is so much higher with the aperture open, it's like 4x to 5x the contrast to RS-45 when brightness matched even WITHOUT the DI.

That's why I'm having a real pause even considering the NX-5, I'd prefer the RS-540/RS-640 most likely to be honest, if I can even find one.

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I was amazed going from the entry level 45 to the middle 770, as far as contrast. I honestly never imagined it would be that big of a jump in quality. But it was. I don't think I could go back to the entry level model again. I'll keep the 770 for a couple of years and get an nx7 when the prices come down dramatically and I can help fund it with the 770 sale. Can only get within a couple of years of the new line. Lol

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You guys are killing me. I've been refreshing my mailbox every 10 min waiting for a tracking number. I'm dying to get this up and running.

EDIT: and we have tracking!!! Should have it by the weekend.
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Well, I pulled the trigger on the x770R. Now to digest as much of this thread as possible. Looks like I plan to use MadVR to strip the HDR metadata. Most of the info I’ve read about custom gamma curves seems to center around the X00 models, do the X20 models still need curves loaded?
If you have MadVR definitely ignore curves, use MadVR's tone mapping, its the best in the world.

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So my X770R showed up yesterday and all I can say is “wow”. I loved my RS35 but this makes it look it’s age. I’ve barely begun tweaking it but with MadVR tone mapping, the picture I’m getting exceeds my expectations. The black level, brightness, and sharpness are all greatly improved.
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That's awesome man. Which guide did you follow for the madvr setup? I need to do that, just haven't had any time.

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That's awesome man. Which guide did you follow for the madvr setup? I need to do that, just haven't had any time.

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I’ve been using MadVR for years for scaling so the Tone Mapping is really the only new part of it to learn for me. I’ve been going through the MadVR thread here in the high-end projector forum.
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After reading the nightmares of the NXx thread, I'm damn happy to have my rs620 still up and running beautifully.

Can not imagine spending that kind of money and having those kinds of issues?

Fortifies my policy of waiting until the second or third model of a new generation.
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After reading the nightmares of the NXx thread, I'm damn happy to have my rs620 still up and running beautifully.

Can not imagine spending that kind of money and having those kinds of issues?

Fortifies my policy of waiting until the second or third model of a new generation.
I have not seen a product that came out for any price and not have issues even if it is second, generation or longer. The few guys who got bad units got them swapped with new ones from JVC anyway.

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I have not seen a product that came out for any price and not have issues even if it is second, generation or longer. The few guys who got bad units got them swapped with new ones from JVC anyway.
These are not the typical type and frequency of issues with these generation models.

When I got my RS620 (second generation of that series), there was a banding issue with the CMD, which I don't use. Otherwise, no issues at all. The RS600 had challenges on several fronts, including latency for gaming and the gamma D switch for HDR.

My gut is this latest line of projectors are going to be a massive failure for JVC, which isn't building or selling them at anywhere near the clip of the last generation of units, which were terrific. These new projectors are way too expensive, the black levels aren't typical of JVC, and there are too many issues not yet resolved with too many units.

That doesn't mean the ones working well aren't casting a great picture. But better enough than my RS620 to drop another $10K+? Not hardly. The difference in PQ is nominal at best when I saw a NX7, and the space scenes were not the same blacks I'm used to with what I have.

If I drop that kind of coin, it's going to be on a laser native 4K with much better ability (and material) for panning.
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Hi everyone,
I have just recently completed my home theatre build (for the most part) and I have started to enjoy some movies in it.
I have the RS520 and have been watching 4k movies in HDR mode. I love the quality of picture I am getting so far, but I must admit, that the fan noise in HDR mode is a bit off-putting in quiet scenes. I have tried switching off from HDR mode to see the difference, but I find the colors to be very muted. Is there any way to enjoy the benefits of HDR without switching the lamp/fan into high mode?? I know I wont be able to get the full capabilities out of the image without being in HDR mode, but perhaps there is a happy median for me. Anyone have some success with this sort of thing?
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Hi everyone,
I have just recently completed my home theatre build (for the most part) and I have started to enjoy some movies in it.
I have the RS520 and have been watching 4k movies in HDR mode. I love the quality of picture I am getting so far, but I must admit, that the fan noise in HDR mode is a bit off-putting in quiet scenes. I have tried switching off from HDR mode to see the difference, but I find the colors to be very muted. Is there any way to enjoy the benefits of HDR without switching the lamp/fan into high mode?? I know I wont be able to get the full capabilities out of the image without being in HDR mode, but perhaps there is a happy median for me. Anyone have some success with this sort of thing?
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The additional noise in HDR mode is the bulb being on high keep the picture mode in HDR but drop the lamp to low.

You also can get excellent results (I think better) by removing the HDR metadata and making the projector display HDR in SDR BT2020 so you get the colour enhancements of HDR while not overblowing some of the bright elements (that projectors generally don’t get bright enough to display anyways).

To strip the HDR metadata you’ll need a player like the OPPO 203 or device like the HDFury Linker to go between your player and the projector. If you use a PC for playback, you can use MadVR to not only strip the metadata but to dynamically tone map the HDR into a compressed brightness range that really helps maintain the “HDRness” of the picture on the limited brightness of a projection system.
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The additional noise in HDR mode is the bulb being on high keep the picture mode in HDR but drop the lamp to low.

You also can get excellent results (I think better) by removing the HDR metadata and making the projector display HDR in SDR BT2020 so you get the colour enhancements of HDR while not overblowing some of the bright elements (that projectors generally don’t get bright enough to display anyways).

To strip the HDR metadata you’ll need a player like the OPPO 203 or device like the HDFury Linker to go between your player and the projector. If you use a PC for playback, you can use MadVR to not only strip the metadata but to dynamically tone map the HDR into a compressed brightness range that really helps maintain the “HDRness” of the picture on the limited brightness of a projection system.
OK, great. Ive got the UB820 so I should be able to strip the metadata correct? Is this something that is difficult to do, or is it just a matter changing a few settings on the player?
I suppose Ill have to dive a bit into the UB820 owners thread now
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What is the general opinion for using an Nvidia shield to handle Plex? Now that we took in a foster kid, I don't have any extra free time to fiddle with settings. .

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I have a RS520, a late example, and it looks like it have the problem with low latency with e-shift enabled. Was this ever fixed by JVC on these models or did they just let it be and fixed it on the next models?
I have not found out what firmware version is the latest, do you know?
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I have not found out what firmware version is the latest, do you know?
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This new Firmware will fix an intermittent lock up issue while viewing or switching UHD/[email protected] sources.
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I contacted JVC Canada and was told to send it in to fix the Low Latency with eShift ghosting. Does that firmware fix it?
I dont think there is software to fix it.. when I had mines I sent mines in for the same and had it back in 10 days.. just make sure they pack it correctly that will be your only concern..

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I have just recently completed my home theatre build (for the most part) and I have started to enjoy some movies in it. I have the RS520 and have been watching 4k movies in HDR mode. I love the quality of picture I am getting so far, but I must admit, that the fan noise in HDR mode is a bit off-putting in quiet scenes.
I agree about PJ noise, whether Hi mode or not. Learnt that lesson on the first theater, so put the PJ and other noise generators in a separate space behind theater #2 . Blissful silence.

Any possibility of a hush box or other physical barrier?

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Wow, the 520 is my 5th projector and by far the quietest. It's also the biggest.

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Wow, the 520 is my 5th projector and by far the quietest. It's also the biggest.
Yeah, in low lamp mode my 770 is dead silent. My RS35 was slightly louder but not audible over any noise and my Mitsubishi DLP was way louder than either JVC.
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If you have MadVR definitely ignore curves, use MadVR's tone mapping, its the best in the world.
Where can I learn more about this. I do use HTPC with MadVR as part of the chain but currently just sending the HDR signal to my calibrated 520 to do the HDR part.
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I am the proud second owner of a beautiful RS520, but unfortunately I'm having a bit of a problem when attempting to play UHD blu ray discs through my Xbox One X.

Here's the chain:
XBoneX-->Onkyo TX-NR585-->HDFury Linker-->30 foot Monoprice Certified Premium High Speed HDMI Cable (32991)-->Projector

Whenever I try to play UHD discs through the Linker, the Linker downscales to 1080p with the full HDR color. If I remove the Linker from the chain entirely, attempting to play an UHD disc results in a black screen. I tried playing around with the EDID settings in the linker, but nothing seemed to fix the issue. The closest I got was by choosing a low bandwidth EDID that basically turned off support for the HDR color space entirely. That allowed 4K playback, but obviously with compromised color.

I have confirmed that I can play games at 4k60 with HDR on both the Xbox and ps4 Pro.

I did not have these issues with my Epson 5040ub.

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I tried the following:
- Hooking the Xbox directly into the JVC through the short cable I use to connect it to the receiver. Worked perfectly. Full fat 4k60HDR

- Hooking the Xbox to the long cable that runs from the linker to the receiver. No 4k at all. Have to set to 1080p or below to get signal.

Looks like I have an HDMI problem.

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I tried the following:
- Hooking the Xbox directly into the JVC through the short cable I use to connect it to the receiver. Worked perfectly. Full fat 4k60HDR

- Hooking the Xbox to the long cable that runs from the linker to the receiver. No 4k at all. Have to set to 1080p or below to get signal.

Looks like I have an HDMI problem.
I had similar problems when I first got mine. I had a LG uhd player, Roku Premier, Denon X6400 with a LG B7 Oled on the arc output.

It was impossible for me to get a 4k signal to the projector using the provided 30' Monoprice cable that came with the JVC, the tv was for the most part fine. The LG UHD player would not work at all with the projector and would only work when plugged directly into the tv. I eventually replaced it with a Sony and that worked, although I rarely use it now that there is so much 4k streaming content. The Roku was trickier, I tried short cables without luck. I got a fire stick and that did 4k, it has a 6" cable. I got it in my head that the cable length going in was the problem and tried a 4k Roku stick. That fixed it and everything works fine in 4k unless I have a 2k device attached to my monoprice splitter.

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I ended up ordering a fiber optic HDMI cable. It should be here tomorrow.

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I'm pretty sure you can't have the projector switch to the HDR profile when it detects an HDR source, correct? Would be nice to have it auto switch to the HDR profile automatically instead of having to always select the profile from the remote.

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I'm pretty sure you can't have the projector switch to the HDR profile when it detects an HDR source, correct? Would be nice to have it auto switch to the HDR profile automatically instead of having to always select the profile from the remote.

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Mine changes automatically from my HTPC

Projector: JVC DLA-RS520
Receiver: Onkyo TX-NR3010 Speakers: Rockets RS-760, RSC-200 (Bigfoot), RS-250, ELT525 | Subs: dual HSU VTF-15H and one MFW-15
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