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So I will say something negative about this projector. I was really annoyed at the super long sync times with my RS 400. They may be somewhat improved with the RS 520 but I am still counting upwards of 10 seconds when changing resolutions etc! That is just unacceptable if you ask me. It is a constant annoyance. I hope this is something they can fix with a firmware update but I'm not holding my breath since it was not addressed with my RS 400. I guess I will continue to curse this time suck for years to come.

What I have gotten in the habit of doing is pausing the movie or stream or whatever after I hit play. Then wait for the picture to finally appear before hitting play again. Otherwise the content is totally playing and you can hear the sound and everything but you end up missing the first 10 seconds! If anyone has a better solution for this I am all ears.
If you have low latency mode on, I believe it decreases the sync time slightly.

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When will the RS620 be available from AVS ? I was considering a Sony 675ES, but am leaning towards the RS620 at the moment. I have always had Sony's and currently have a VW95ES.
They have been shipping them already.

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I've been waiting for a PJ that has black levels good enough to moot screen masking. I'm thrilled to see your comments and will forward to seeing what the RS620 can do.
An RS600/620 has very good black floor and in darker scenes, you might not see the black bars, if your room is a black pit, but as soon as you have a bright scene, you can see the black bars.
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I've been waiting for a PJ that has black levels good enough to moot screen masking. I'm thrilled to see your comments and will forward to seeing what the RS620 can do.
I am sure it will be nothing but excellent. Seems to be the JVC trend.
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Well I am afraid there are some glitches and you just confirmed that. I first tested with Resident evil on PC and that looked absolutely horrible, white text looked like red as if the panel alignment went horribly wrong so first I thought I had a faulty filter as with the filter off it looked normal but then I turned on the PS4Pro and all games were flawless with the filter on, I also tried changing resolutions and bit depth on the PC which managed to crash the projector yes the projector not the PC so I had to shut down the PJ and reboot. After this I did not test the PC again shortly I will be looking into this. There seem to be some glitches.
The PC game also detected the PJ as native 4K so it set the resolution to 4096x2160 so the PJ seems to be reporting some things incorrectly from what I gather. So mine was pushing red yours pushing purple, interesting.
This doesn't give me much confidence that my RS420 will be plug and play with my Xbox One S.
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This doesn't give me much confidence that my RS420 will be plug and play with my Xbox One S.
Mine is probably DOA will be talking to support shortly.

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So I will say something negative about this projector. I was really annoyed at the super long sync times with my RS 400. They may be somewhat improved with the RS 520 but I am still counting upwards of 10 seconds when changing resolutions etc! That is just unacceptable if you ask me. It is a constant annoyance. I hope this is something they can fix with a firmware update but I'm not holding my breath since it was not addressed with my RS 400. I guess I will continue to curse this time suck for years to come.

What I have gotten in the habit of doing is pausing the movie or stream or whatever after I hit play. Then wait for the picture to finally appear before hitting play again. Otherwise the content is totally playing and you can hear the sound and everything but you end up missing the first 10 seconds! If anyone has a better solution for this I am all ears.
I knew this upfront so I prepared myself for it and accepted it as a fact of life. It still bothers me but nothing I can do.

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I knew this upfront so I prepared myself for it and accepted it as a fact of life. It still bothers me but nothing I can do.
It's like being married to a rich supermodel that snores. It's a minor inconvenience.
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Ok I could use some help here. I was eager to try out the HDR gaming feature that is available on some games through my PS4.

The PS4 detected that I had an HDR capable display and prompted me to turn on HDR if I so desired like so . . . Everything is........well purple. Now I am a KSU Wildcat fan but this is ridiculous.
Go the the JVC menu and change the Input Signal > Color Space to a manual setting. Since the JVC info is showing RGB and 12-bit, it looks like these settings are on Automatic on the PS4. I don't expect changing the Color Space to help, but weird things sometimes happen.

I recently had a Panasonic PJ that would go into YCbCr mode even though the laptop was set to RGB. The image would go pink. If I connected another laptop, the PJ would go back into RGB mode and then the 1st laptop would work again up reconnection. Wait a few days and the laptop would again put the PJ into YCbCr mode.
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It's like being married to a rich supermodel that snores. It's a minor inconvenience.
Except earplugs can be a bliss in that situation ...but there is no workaround here.

On a serious note if they've fixed that would have been almost too good to be true along with all the other improvements.
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Go the the JVC menu and change the Input Signal > Color Space to a manual setting. Since the JVC info is showing RGB and 12-bit, it looks like these settings are on Automatic on the PS4. I don't expect changing the Color Space to help, but weird things sometimes happen.

I recently had a Panasonic PJ that would go into YCbCr mode even though the laptop was set to RGB. The image would go pink. If I connected another laptop, the PJ would go back into RGB mode and then the 1st laptop would work again up reconnection. Wait a few days and the laptop would again put the PJ into YCbCr mode.
good call.. or simply press the HDR button on the remote before turning on the PS4 which means the PJ is forced into the correct mode even before the the auto detection kicks in.

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Go the the JVC menu and change the Input Signal > Color Space to a manual setting. Since the JVC info is showing RGB and 12-bit, it looks like these settings are on Automatic on the PS4. I don't expect changing the Color Space to help, but weird things sometimes happen.

I recently had a Panasonic PJ that would go into YCbCr mode even though the laptop was set to RGB. The image would go pink. If I connected another laptop, the PJ would go back into RGB mode and then the 1st laptop would work again up reconnection. Wait a few days and the laptop would again put the PJ into YCbCr mode.
Correct, its a bug that very rarely pops up... rebooting the AVR always fixed it in seconds.

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An RS600/620 has very good black floor and in darker scenes, you might not see the black bars, if your room is a black pit, but as soon as you have a bright scene, you can see the black bars.

I'm aware that the ANSI contrast of any projector won't come close to OLED. But in a black pit I don't want to see bars that aren't very, very close to the black velvet framing material of my screen in a very low light scene. If the RS 620 can do that...
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I'm aware that the ANSI contrast of any projector won't come close to OLED. But in a black pit I don't want to see bars that aren't very, very close to the black velvet framing material of my screen in a very low light scene. If the RS 620 can do that...
No, the RS600/620 can't do that. Close, but not quite. The bars will show up with bright content. In darker scenes, you will not be able to tell the black bars from the black velvet of the frame.
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I'm aware that the ANSI contrast of any projector won't come close to OLED. But in a black pit I don't want to see bars that aren't very, very close to the black velvet framing material of my screen in a very low light scene. If the RS 620 can do that...
No black pit is ever totally non reflective. Project some light and dark video, stand at the screen and look at the back, ceiling and side walls. If you see any reflections, that light is finding it's way to the screen and will light up the black bar area.

Masking is definitely beneficial.

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No black pit is ever totally non reflective. Project some light and dark video, stand at the screen and look at the back, ceiling and side walls. If you see any reflections, that light is finding it's way to the screen and will light up the black bar area.

Masking is definitely beneficial.
I have velvety stuff all around and I am having a hard time finding any notable reflections.

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I have velvety stuff all around and I am having a hard time finding any notable reflections.
Seems like you have a great room!

I have flat slate grey paint on the back wall and ceiling, but project a bright scene, if I stand at the screen and look toward the rear wall and I sure can see the wall. That light of course is finding it's way back to the screen.

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Seems like you have a great room!

I have flat slate grey paint on the back wall and ceiling, but project a bright scene, if I stand at the screen and look toward the rear wall and I sure can see the wall. That light of course is finding it's way back to the screen.
Well I built a frame and hung fabric all around including the ceiling, guess that made a difference, when the PJ is on and paused at a mid bright scene I can just make out some creases on the back wall fabric. It is very hard to make a room totally dark I agree.

BTW I am watching Sully on UHD on the 7500 and it's incredibly sharp and detailed and HDR is great, been swapping between SDR WCG and HDR and I think am happy to stay HDR.

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Well, I decided to go with the RS520 which arrived this afternoon. Won't have a chance to try it until the weekend as my room is being redone from scratch but I'm excited!

Thanks Craig!!!
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Well, I decided to go with the RS520 which arrived this afternoon. Won't have a chance to try it until the weekend as my room is being redone from scratch but I'm excited!

Thanks Craig!!!
I wish I had your patience.

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Go the the JVC menu and change the Input Signal > Color Space to a manual setting. Since the JVC info is showing RGB and 12-bit, it looks like these settings are on Automatic on the PS4. I don't expect changing the Color Space to help, but weird things sometimes happen.

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It was worth a try. But, did not do the trick.

I also made an attempt at a different game with HDR. The Last of Us Remastered but was met with the same Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze.....
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If you have low latency mode on, I believe it decreases the sync time slightly.
That's a good tip. May work out for the best if I just plan to leave it on at all times then. I will do some experimenting.
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good call.. or simply press the HDR button on the remote before turning on the PS4 which means the PJ is forced into the correct mode even before the the auto detection kicks in.

Hmm, ok will try that tonight and report back. Why didn't I think of that!!!
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Well I built a frame and hung fabric all around including the ceiling, guess that made a difference, when the PJ is on and paused at a mid bright scene I can just make out some creases on the back wall fabric. It is very hard to make a room totally dark I agree.

BTW I am watching Sully on UHD on the 7500 and it's incredibly sharp and detailed and HDR is great, been swapping between SDR WCG and HDR and I think am happy to stay HDR.
Ok, that is promising news. I was hoping I could stick with HDR vs just WCG.

Are you using the HDR stripping feature on your Oppo 203? That is one of the reasons I bought the unit myself. And then here I am trying out all of this content last night to see what I want to use for the Kansas City Theater Crawl next month and I run into Mad Max. Now I know there have been numerous problems with this disc in most of the players. It was my first time trying it but I got the red push and it was way too dark. I have the blu ray of this film as well so I popped it in for comparison and everything was as it should be. Now like some kind of idiot I totally forgot about the HDR stripping feature of my 203! I will try that and see how I like it. I hope I do not run into many of these problems though.

So do you have Mad Max too? What does it look like through your 203 and JVC (since you have the same play back devices)?

I still have my Samsung 8500 so I will give it a chance to spin Mad Max just to rule that out.
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I'm aware that the ANSI contrast of any projector won't come close to OLED. But in a black pit I don't want to see bars that aren't very, very close to the black velvet framing material of my screen in a very low light scene. If the RS 620 can do that...
All we need is that 105" OLED at $10K...... Problem solved.
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Hey guys, thanks for all the reports so far and this sounds like a hell of a projector! Couple questions. ...

1. Low lag mode work with 4k games?

2. HDR games on PS4 Pro/XB1 work on the JVCs? If not, is HDR easy enough to turn off on the consoles so there is no issue with the JVCs (I don't have either of these consoles yet, so not sure what the options are)?
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It was worth a try. But, did not do the trick.

I also made an attempt at a different game with HDR. The Last of Us Remastered but was met with the same Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze.....
Your experience is holding me back from pulling the trigger on a JVC x20. It's important the my next projector works with HDR on the PS4 Pro and Xbox One S. Until this if figured out, I guess I will keep waiting. I was really hoping to upgrade from my Sony HW30ES... but I don't want to drop the $$$ just to have issues.
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All we need is that 105" OLED at $10K...... Problem solved.
That's still way too small, especially for scope movies. Wake me up when there's a 110" wide, direct view scope solution, that's not "cost impossible".
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