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Curious what receiver you use (or anybody reading this that sends signal from receiver to their 420/570)?

Considering upgrading to a 4K capable receiver, but not at all familiar with best options.
@Dennis Moore , I am using a Denon X4200, and it works for me. Tons of options out there, just depending on your $ budget. How many speakers are you looking to run? Are you looking to do Atmos( maybe down the line).
Here is one in St. Louis if you are nearby:
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Hi everyone,

I am posting the results of my last and I hope definitive calibration. It seems fine to me under every point of view but I still have questions for the community: 1) 2.2 or 2.4 gamma? Is it just a matter of preference/taste even with this kind of set SDR2020 form the Panasonic player to the JVC or there might be reasons to choice one rather then the other? 2) Is there a recommended luminance to get? I calibrated with a final 26.8fL but I don't have any reference like with the SDR709 where they recommend a range between 14 to 20fL depending on the environment. The projector is in a living room very dark but with white walls and ceiling (very high so not impacting though). Is 26.8fL enough? I have the lens at -14 so a lot of brightness could be added if necessary. Please don't share with me your thoughts. Thank you!
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I am posting the results of my last and I hope definitive calibration. It seems fine to me under every point of view but I still have questions for the community: 1) 2.2 or 2.4 gamma? Is it just a matter of preference/taste even with this kind of set SDR2020 form the Panasonic player to the JVC or there might be reasons to choice one rather then the other? 2) Is there a recommended luminance to get? I calibrated with a final 26.8fL but I don't have any reference like with the SDR709 where they recommend a range between 14 to 20fL depending on the environment. The projector is in a living room very dark but with white walls and ceiling (very high so not impacting though). Is 26.8fL enough? I have the lens at -14 so a lot of brightness could be added if necessary. Please don't share with me your thoughts. Thank you!
I meant don't hesitate to share your thoughts!!!!
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I am posting the results of my last and I hope definitive calibration. It seems fine to me under every point of view but I still have questions for the community: 1) 2.2 or 2.4 gamma? Is it just a matter of preference/taste even with this kind of set SDR2020 form the Panasonic player to the JVC or there might be reasons to choice one rather then the other? 2) Is there a recommended luminance to get? I calibrated with a final 26.8fL but I don't have any reference like with the SDR709 where they recommend a range between 14 to 20fL depending on the environment. The projector is in a living room very dark but with white walls and ceiling (very high so not impacting though). Is 26.8fL enough? I have the lens at -14 so a lot of brightness could be added if necessary. Please don't share with me your thoughts. Thank you!
I meant don't hesitate to share your thoughts!!!!
Hi Jimmy,

In the world of HDR there are " no rules" you can adjust the gamma the way you like it. Original P3 has a gamma of 2.6 ( movie theater )
I played arround with 2.6 but that's really to dark. 2.4 is to dark for me as well. Most of the time i use 2.2, sometimes 2.3, Just experiment with it. There is no good/bad in this.
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Thank you! 2.4 it doesn’t look ‘too dark’ to me, of course 2.2 is able to ‘open’ more the image even with a little loss of contrast. With my old RS35 I had two different sets both for 2.4 and 2.2 but I cannot do that with x570 in SDR2020 because the HDR temperature is shared an unique so I can use it for one set only. I will see what images look like with different movies then I’ll decide which one keep...
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And what about luminance? With the Panasonic player and SDR2020 output the projector doesn’t switch to high lamp and full lens open so you can set the luminance on your own. But how much? For the Rec709 there is a range between 14 and 20 fL depending on the environment but what about SDR2020? What’s the luminance on screen of your projector? Thank you!
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Curious what receiver you use (or anybody reading this that sends signal from receiver to their 420/570)?

Considering upgrading to a 4K capable receiver, but not at all familiar with best options.
I have a Denon 4400H, it has in and out for IR blasters. I'm not using it on mine, my Harmony hub, receiver, and projector are all in the same closet. I did take one of the IR blasters from the hub and mount it close to the rear of the projector.
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And what about luminance? With the Panasonic player and SDR2020 output the projector doesn’t switch to high lamp and full lens open so you can set the luminance on your own. But how much? For the Rec709 there is a range between 14 and 20 fL depending on the environment but what about SDR2020? What’s the luminance on screen of your projector? Thank you!
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Luminance is the same answer.
It all depends what you like.
For a projector you cant have enough light imo. But that is just the problem with projectors, they dont have enough..
I have a 100inch cinescoop screen and i use madVR. In low lamp i have arround 90 nits and in highlamp modes i have arround 120 nits. How much ftlb that is, i dont know. But it is enough for now. With my other JVC x5900 i had a lot more lumens and i liked it better, but now i have much more contrast (RS520) so sometimes you win something sometimes you lose something.
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Thank you Reezepees. Well, after my last calibration I have 26.8 fL on screen which is 91 nits with low lamp. Since I use the Panasonic player with HDR optimizer in SDR2020 output I don’t need high lamp. My iris is -14 on a 120” diagonal white wall (yes still waiting for a screen!). I am thinking about to give it another step of the lens to -13 and get 29-30 fL=99-102 nits. I would loose a little contrast but the image would really pop
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Another side question: as to grayscale calibration RGB level is it ‘wise’ to keep the Blue offset always minor 0 or 0 and never over 0? To keep it below 0 I have of course to drop a lot of Green Offset ‘loosing’ brightness from the starting point of the process. In other words with a Blue offset positive there would be much higher luminance on screen. But at what cost?
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A little bit more blue in the picture isnt always a bad thing, because it gives you a little more ''pop'' in the end.
But for the best result look at youre meassurement report.

I have my iris wide open i really need it otherwise it is a verry dark picture.

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Do you have the iris all wide open for SDR content ? And high lamp for HDR? Thanks to the excellent job of the Panasonic player I don’t need to switch on high lamp for HDR and for the SDR2020 low lamp with iris -14 I have 91 nits the lamp has 202 hours. I thought the 520 was as brighter as the 420 at least for SDR. I know that it uses a filter when playing a HDR content with the HDR mode which reduces almost 20% light output but I thought that could be only in high lamp with HDR mode. I didn’t know there could be a real difference in other modes between 420 and 520.
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the iris is always totally open, for sdr/HDR and HDR-sdr i have arround 300 hours on the lamp. From the beginning the lamp was a bit dull, it is not the original one but a replacement. That said, every lamp has its own caracter and light output.
I will soon buy a new one because i like to have more light output.
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Hi everyone I have just calibrated my x570 ending up with a luminance (brightness on screen) of 36.8 fL for SDR2020 with Panasonic player 420. I would like to know from you what luminance do you have with similar set, or equivalent Panasonic 820/9000 with the HDR optimizer like the ub 420 with the same feature. Thank you for sharing!
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Hello All, Late to the party, but as I type this, My RS420 arrived on the doorstep. I have read 2984 posts here. Looking forward to getting things hooked up and working correctly.
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Nice @Villagedweller, enjoy! What size of screen and what components are you using. Should be fun weekend 4 U!
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Hello All, Late to the party, but as I type this, My RS420 arrived on the doorstep. I have read 2984 posts here. Looking forward to getting things hooked up and working correctly.
Welcome aboard!
There are some suggested settings in this post:
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It’s for the RS540 but most of the settings work well with the RS420 as well.
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Cool

Thank you Dominic. Looking forward to trying the settings. Getting used to working with the forum also. Rookie!
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enjoy! What size of screen and what components are you using. Should be fun weekend 4 U![/quote]

I am using a 100" screen with a panny UB820 through a Marantz SR5011. I am attempting to figure out the exact location to mount the RS420. My current mount is around 10'6" from the screen and I sit about 4' in back of that. So, I am doing some calculating, since this machine can adjust almost every darned way possible. I am coming from using a BenQ HT1075, so this will be quite an upgrade for me.
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Oh good, the UB820 does well with the 420! In the link that @Dominic Chan provided there is specifics on the UB820, especially Dreamliner's JVC & ub820 Guide:
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I am looking forward to getting it going. Just the size of the unit is impressive.
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Dreamliner recommendations are great but they are for the RS400 and that model lack the HDR color temperature available on the 420. So if you’re using the 420 in combo with the Panasonic 420/820 you should select HDR color temperature and submenu 6500k. Dreamliner confirmed me that and Dominic too. I posted a question about a luminance ‘target’ for SDR2020 having mine at 36.8 fL but no one shared any opinion.
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Dreamliner recommendations are great but they are for the RS400 and that model lack the HDR color temperature available on the 420. So if you’re using the 420 in combo with the Panasonic 420/820 you should select HDR color temperature and submenu 6500k. Dreamliner confirmed me that and Dominic too.
Which “confirmation” from me are you referring to? Im not aware of any advantages of using the “HDR” Color Temp, other than it being independent of 6500K (in case you’re fine-tuning D65 for different picture modes).

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Dreamliner recommendations are great but they are for the RS400 and that model lack the HDR color temperature available on the 420. So if you’re using the 420 in combo with the Panasonic 420/820 you should select HDR color temperature and submenu 6500k. Dreamliner confirmed me that and Dominic too. I posted a question about a luminance ‘target’ for SDR2020 having mine at 36.8 fL but no one shared any opinion.
Thank you. I will keep that in mind when I get that far. So much to learn, now that I have the unit in hand. I actually believe I procured it from one of the members here.
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Good to know that there’s no difference between HDR color temperature which includes the 6500k and 6500k color temperature alone. And it’s weird I can’t find the posts where I was ‘instructed’ to use specifically the HDR color temperature with the SDR2020 set
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Good to know that there’s no difference between HDR color temperature which includes the 6500k and 6500k color temperature alone. And it’s weird I can’t find the posts where I was ‘instructed’ to use specifically the HDR color temperature with the SDR2020 set
Are you referring to this post (from yourself)?
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-b...l#post59580746

I replied “Yes”, which simply means it’s fine to use HDR Color TemP. That’s definitely not “instructing” anyone to use HDR Color Temp instead of 6500K.

And I would appreciate it if you don’t quote me, or worse, misquote me, in your posts.

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Ok Dominic and others who are experienced about this player and JVc rs420 projector please help me to set them properly. Now I have this set On the Panasonic SDR2020 output On the JVC: picture mode: User 2 (user 1 is rec 709); color profile BT2020; color temperature HDR and in the submenu 6500k; gamma custom 1 with correction value 2.4. Is everything correct? Thank you for your patience. I am very grateful

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This is a post from the Panasonic player 820 thread. I described my settings and YES was your answer. So for me was a confirmation and I allowed myself to mention it. I am sorry I will never quote you again.
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You are misquoting me again.
Your original post listed HDR Color Temp, my reply of “Yes” confirms the settings listed are correct. You can’t quote this as me instructing anyone to use specifically HDR instead of 6500K.

If I say “yes” when someone asks whether it’s OK to be a Buddhist, I’m definitely not “instructing” anyone to be a Buddhist.

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If someone reads both my post and your answer maybe would then assume that copying those settings is the right thing to do, including HDR as color temperature. Maybe I have inappropriately used the word ‘instructed’ ok but the meaning of the phrase is pretty clear. Now after your last post I/we know that there’s no difference between HDR color temperature with 6500k in the submenu and just 6500k color temperature alone. And it’s good to know as I already said.
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