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I received a x570 yesterday, and when running the xbox one s in 4k hdr, I am 70% of the time getting pure static snow, and 30% of the time getting a working screen but filled with speckles all over the screen.

Receiver: yamaha rx-a1070

HDMI cable receiver to projector: C&E High-Speed HDMI Cable - 25 Feet, Supports Ethernet, 3D and Audio Return, UltraHD 4K Ready
HDMI cable xbox to receiver: Tried 2. The first was the cable that came with the Xbox One S. The second was 4K HDMI Cable/HDMI Cord (6 feet / 6 ft, HDMI to HDMI, TOP Series) by KabelDirekt

I read about other people having success going with the Monoprice Certified cables, so I will lean towards ordering 2 of them. Any other thoughts or help?

edit: forgot to test the direct connection from xbox to pj. it works fine that way, but still would like it to work through the receiver.

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So @ munnlete , it sounds like you have an issue with the cable from the receiver to the projector, is that correct? Since you hooked the XBOX directly to projector, and had no issues.
I do not see anything that it is premium certified:
https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-115...4k%2B60hz&th=1


I had issue as well at first, but once I got a certified premium cable, no problems since.
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So @ munnlete , it sounds like you have an issue with the cable from the receiver to the projector, is that correct? Since you hooked the XBOX directly to projector, and had no issues.
I do not see anything that it is premium certified:
https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-115...4k%2B60hz&th=1


I had issue as well at first, but once I got a certified premium cable, no problems since.
Thanks, I ordered a couple.
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Glad to hear @Viper359 , and agree that @Javs curves made a big difference in my viewing once I downloaded them. I was overwhelmed as I had a few errors(operator errors) but once I got them loaded from the laptop, and then cycle between the 1200 and 4000 nits, I could really see the difference. So worth the effort with Javs curves!
I agree, what a night and day difference. I was actually kind of surprised by such a difference. Low lamp mode, and it looks fantastic. Mind you, My beamer is only 13.5-14 feet from my 120" screen, but wow

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Yea buddy @Viper359 , now it is time to sit back and enjoy some flicks. I sit about 13.5 on a 113" screen as well. Got the first purge coming to day, so hoping for a good movie night.
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I had issue as well at first, but once I got a certified premium cable, no problems since.
Yep, same here.......
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I purchased this cable, and works fine for me so far. It's from Amazon Canada, but figured it may help someone.

Monoprice Certified Premium High Speed HDMI Cable, HDR, 25ft Black https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B06X3QDY4M/

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Glad to hear @Viper359 , and agree that @Javs curves made a big difference in my viewing once I downloaded them. I was overwhelmed as I had a few errors(operator errors) but once I got them loaded from the laptop, and then cycle between the 1200 and 4000 nits, I could really see the difference. So worth the effort with Javs curves!
What are these javs curves? I’m sub 100 hours on my pj so haven’t gotten back into diy calibration yet... another rabbit hole I’ve managed to avoid for the last 4-5years since I started learning it for my last JVC pj.
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Click on @Javs and see his signature for a direct link to his curves, install instructions et. I am running v3 1000 and 4000 nits

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Any recommendations on calibration settings for this projector? I am helping my brother with his new x570 but we don't have any fancy calibration equipment. Any help on settings would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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Recommended HDR settings for RS420

Note: For RS400 see the recommended settings here:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post56987686

The RS420 added HDR Picture Mode with ST2084 gamma, which is much better than Gamma D on the RS400. However, depending on your screen size, the default settings may not be optimal. Custom curves can provide a big improvement, but if you’re not ready to get into that, here are some suggested settings grouped by screen size and mastering nits.

These are based on my own measurements done on the RS420 (x570), trying to match custom curves as closely as achievable using the 3 controls. They should work equally well on the RS520/620, and even the RSx40 assuming JVC did not change the ST.2084 implementation in the newer projectors. Feedbacks are welcome.

Different settings are recommended for the mastering nits; you can use the 2000-nit settting if you don’t want to be bothered with switching. Note: only change the White settings, not the individual R/G/B settings.

Note: if you’ve never run autocal, the projector most likely will have developed some “gamma droop”, in which case you may want to reduce Picture Tone and Dark Level by one click.

The three numbers listed are for Picture Tone, Dark Level, Bright Level respectively.

Small screens (90” or less). You can get around 140 nits peak using a new bulb.
4000: 1, 5, -1
2000: 1, 5, 0
1000: 1, 5, 1

Average screens (100-120”), 100 nits peak
4000: 3, 7, -3
2000: 3, 7, -2
1000: 3, 7, 1

Large screens (>120”), 70 nits peak
4000: N/A (cannot avoid clipping while producing good brightness; just use the 2000 nit settings.).
2000: 10, 4, -7
1000: 10, 4, -5

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So @ munnlete , it sounds like you have an issue with the cable from the receiver to the projector, is that correct? Since you hooked the XBOX directly to projector, and had no issues.
I do not see anything that it is premium certified:
https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-115...4k%2B60hz&th=1


I had issue as well at first, but once I got a certified premium cable, no problems since.
I received them and the Monoprice cables solved the flickering/snow problem. Another probably unrelated note is that when trying to launch games with HDR enabled on my (non Pro model) PS4, I get the "Green or purple saturated screen". I could've sworn though that this was not a problem when I got the PJ a couple days ago, but only started when I updated ps4 software last night. Perhaps it tweaked some sort of HDR setting. It's also possible that the software update was the first time there'd been a "hard close" on my ps4 system since the new PJ, therefore HDR was never enabled up until that point. Either way, HDR is being screwy. Thoughts?

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Any recommendations on calibration settings for this projector? I am helping my brother with his new x570 but we don't have any fancy calibration equipment. Any help on settings would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Refer to the 1st page of this thread which has the recommended settings.
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Any recommendations on calibration settings for this projector? I am helping my brother with his new x570 but we don't have any fancy calibration equipment. Any help on settings would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Refer to the 1st page of this thread which has the recommended settings.
Where at? I've looked and nobody posts their settings.
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Where at? I've looked and nobody posts their settings.
Sorry, wrong thread.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...rs-thread.html
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Where at? I've looked and nobody posts their settings.
You can try the HDR settings in Post 2471 above.
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The RS420 added HDR Picture Mode with ST2084 gamma, which is much better than Gamma D on the RS400.
However, depending on your screen size, the default settings may not be optimal. Custom curves can provide a big improvement, but if you’re not ready to get into that, here are some suggested settings grouped by screen size and mastering nits.

These are based on my own measurements, trying to match custom curves as closely as achievable using the 3 controls. Feedbacks are welcome.

Different settings are recommended for the mastering nits; you can use the 2000-nit settting if you don’t want to be bothered with switching. Note: only change the White settings, not the individual R/G/B settings.

Note: if you’ve never run autocal, the projector most likely will have developed some “gamma droop”, in which case you may want to reduce Picture Tone and Dark Level by one click.

The three numbers listed are for Picture Tone, Dark Level, Bright Level respectively.

Small screens (90” or less). You can get around 140 nits peak using a new bulb.
4000: 1, 5, -1
2000: 1, 5, 0
1000: 1, 5, 1

Average screens (100-120”), 100 nits peak
4000: 3, 7, -3
2000: 3, 7, -2
1000: 3, 7, 1

Large screens (>120”), 70 nits peak
4000: N/A (cannot avoid clipping while producing good brightness; just use the 2000 nit settings.).
2000: 10, 4, -7
1000: 10, 4, -5
I’m new to Jvc, where do you go to change this?
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Somewhat of a silly question.

I have a RS420 and would like to try out MadVRs SDR2020 capabilities. Does anyone know of a how-to guide (or similar) on how to set MadVR up for our projectors?

I have it configured correctly to play using MPC-HC, there’s just so many image quality options to choose from that it’s a bit overwhelming.

Sorry if this has been covered.
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What is the best way to ensure USER2 is always selected for HDR 4K content. Sometimes, with my Nvidia Shield, it defaults the just HDR, instead of the customer USER2 input with the custom curves.

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What is the best way to ensure USER2 is always selected for HDR 4K content. Sometimes, with my Nvidia Shield, it defaults the just HDR, instead of the customer USER2 input with the custom curves.
The projector always switches to the HDR Picture mode when detecting HDR metadata. Just set up you HDR Mode the same way as your User2.
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The projector always switches to the HDR Picture mode when detecting HDR metadata. Just set up you HDR Mode the same way as your User2.
Thank You, that worked

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What is the benefit when using an HDFury with the RS420 (if any)? I've seen many references to the HDFury converting HDR to SDR and such and I'm wondering how that affects the image of the RS420. I'm not terribly happy with the image when watching UHD disks on the Sony X800 and was wondering if an HDFury would help. If so, would any HDFury box work and if not, which one would be a good match. Thanks.
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What is the benefit when using an HDFury with the RS420 (if any)? I've seen many references to the HDFury converting HDR to SDR and such and I'm wondering how that affects the image of the RS420. I'm not terribly happy with the image when watching UHD disks on the Sony X800 and was wondering if an HDFury would help. If so, would any HDFury box work and if not, which one would be a good match. Thanks.

If your picture does not look amazing with the 420 then something is wrong. What is it about the picture that you don’t like?


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What is the benefit when using an HDFury with the RS420 (if any)? I've seen many references to the HDFury converting HDR to SDR and such and I'm wondering how that affects the image of the RS420. I'm not terribly happy with the image when watching UHD disks on the Sony X800 and was wondering if an HDFury would help. If so, would any HDFury box work and if not, which one would be a good match. Thanks.
The HDFury does not convert HDR to SDR; it just strips the HDR metadata so that the RS400 doesn’t switch to Gamma D. It doesn’t do anything for the RS420.

If you have different custom curves, the HDFury Vertex will automatically switch to the optimum one.

If you’re not ready to get into custom curves, you can try my recommended settings in Post 2471 above.
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I haven't watched very many 4K discs but it seems like the colors appear muted. I was expecting something better than standard blu-ray but they seem worse not better. 4K streaming content looks fine. I'll have to double check my settings.

What's a really good 4K disc that should look amazing on the RS420 if I have everything set right? I can rent it and see how it looks.
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What's a really good 4K disc that should look amazing on the RS420 if I have everything set right? I can rent it and see how it looks.
Planet Earth 2 is my favorite.
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I have been watching this projector like crazy, and wow. Just destroys my old Benq W1070, in all aspects.

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Who else here uses their Oppo UDP-203 to manage their HDR? (info is on the Oppo forum)
The idea is that the Oppo gets to manage the colour palate rather than the projector...I'm running mine that way and the meta data must not be passed through since the projector doesn't kick into the bright bulb mode. I'm told that this is normal and I figure that it probably will extend my bulb life running in normal all the time....but to tell the truth, I'm not blown away with any kind of HDR programming vs. regular 4K or HD but at least my colours look better than the overblown ones that I was getting when I had the JVC running in HDR mode
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Are there any fellow Panasonic UB420/820 users around here? If so, what settings are we thinking are best? I'm currently using the standard HDR settings on the JVC and SDR/BT2020 on the Panasonic.
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I received them and the Monoprice cables solved the flickering/snow problem. Another probably unrelated note is that when trying to launch games with HDR enabled on my (non Pro model) PS4, I get the "Green or purple saturated screen". I could've sworn though that this was not a problem when I got the PJ a couple days ago, but only started when I updated ps4 software last night. Perhaps it tweaked some sort of HDR setting. It's also possible that the software update was the first time there'd been a "hard close" on my ps4 system since the new PJ, therefore HDR was never enabled up until that point. Either way, HDR is being screwy. Thoughts?
Hey. PS4 non pro will not work with HDR on RS420. RS420 does not support HDR in 1080p (4k only).
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