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glad to report that I quickly hooked up 40ft. Ruipro today, tested a few 4k Discs and everything seems fine. So my assumption of the celerity end connector gone bad was correct. Will watch a few movies to make sure before I snake through conduit for a more permanent setup. thanks again for your help. Now I can watch Aquaman this weekend!

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Well Done thetman. You shold really enjoy Aquaman. It is coming tonight, so I hope to enjoy the 4K disc version soon.
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Apple TV Settings

I know this has been discussed before but can't find it now. I have a user1 setting for SDR and user2 setting for HDR using the Panasonic UB820 tone mapping. Recently added ATV 4K and set it to 4K SDR and match frame rates. I then use the second setting. IS this the optimal path?
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I know this has been discussed before but can't find it now. I have a user1 setting for SDR and user2 setting for HDR using the Panasonic UB820 tone mapping. Recently added ATV 4K and set it to 4K SDR and match frame rates. I then use the second setting. IS this the optimal path?
By “UB820 tone mapping”, do you mean your User2 setting is SDR/BT2020? If so, you can't use the same setting for the ATV 4K as it can only do SDR/Rec709 or HDR/BT2020, not SDR/BT2020.

Just use the HDR setting for the ATV 4K.

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By “UB820 tone mapping”, do you mean your User2 setting is SDR/BT2020? If so, you can't use the same setting for the ATV 4K as it can only do SDR/Rec709 or HDR/BT2020, not SDR/BT2020.

Just use the HDR setting for the ATV 4K.
Thanks, that's what I thought. The stock HDR on the JVC is not too good. I will use my user1 (SDR) settings.
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I also noticed that even though I have the ATV4K set to 4K SDR, when I select a Netflix show that is HDR, it still sends the HDR signal and causes the projector to automatically switch to HDR mode. Don't know what is causing this.

Edit: This happens on Netflix content that is Dolby Vision. So that means the base HDR10 layer is sent regardless of the ATV setting?

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I also noticed that even though I have the ATV4K set to 4K SDR, when I select a Netflix show that is HDR, it still sends the HDR signal and causes the projector to automatically switch to HDR mode. Don't know what is causing this.
Most streaming boxes work that way. For ATV 4K there’s an option for it not to do that - if you turn off “Match Range”, then it stays in SDR or HDR, whichever you prefer.
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Thanks, that's what I thought. The stock HDR on the JVC is not too good. I will use my user1 (SDR) settings.


I would strongly recommend you have your projector calibrated by @chadb

In my opinion HDR from Netflix on Apple TV and from my Panasonic 820 looks very good after his calibration of my X570/RS420.


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By “UB820 tone mapping”, do you mean your User2 setting is SDR/BT2020? If so, you can't use the same setting for the ATV 4K as it can only do SDR/Rec709 or HDR/BT2020, not SDR/BT2020.

Just use the HDR setting for the ATV 4K.
Thanks, that's what I thought. The stock HDR on the JVC is not too good. I will use my user1 (SDR) settings.
Did you try using the picture settings that Dominic posted early in the thread? Relates to adjusting Picture Tone, Dark Level, Bright Level based on screen size. Made a huge difference for my HDR.

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Like what @farsider3000 said, as I had mine calibrated, and thought it worth the $. Some even offer tune up within the year.
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Note: For RS400 see the recommended settings here:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post56987686

The RS420 added HDR Picture Mode with ST2084 gamma, which is much better than Gamma D on the RS400. However, depending on your screen size, the default settings may not be optimal. Custom curves can provide a big improvement, but if you’re not ready to get into that, here are some suggested settings grouped by screen size and mastering nits.

These are based on my own measurements done on the RS420 (x570), trying to match custom curves as closely as achievable using the 3 controls. They should work equally well on the RS520/620, and even the RSx40 assuming JVC did not change the ST.2084 implementation in the newer projectors. Feedbacks are welcome.

Different settings are recommended for the mastering nits; you can use the 2000-nit settting if you don’t want to be bothered with switching. Note: only change the White settings, not the individual R/G/B settings.

Note: if you’ve never run autocal, the projector most likely will have developed some “gamma droop”, in which case you may want to reduce Picture Tone and Dark Level by one click.

The three numbers listed are for Picture Tone, Dark Level, Bright Level respectively.

Small screens (90” or less). You can get around 140 nits peak using a new bulb.
4000: 1, 5, -1
2000: 1, 5, 0
1000: 1, 5, 1

Average screens (100-120”), 100 nits peak
4000: 3, 7, -3
2000: 3, 7, -2
1000: 3, 7, 1

Large screens (>120”), 70 nits peak
4000: N/A (cannot avoid clipping while producing good brightness; just use the 2000 nit settings.).
2000: 10, 4, -7
1000: 10, 4, -5
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Did you try using the picture settings that Dominic posted early in the thread? Relates to adjusting Picture Tone, Dark Level, Bright Level based on screen size. Made a huge difference for my HDR.

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I'll second this. His settings made a huge difference for HDR content. I highly recommend them.
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Most streaming boxes work that way. For ATV 4K there’s an option for it not to do that - if you turn off “Match Range”, then it stays in SDR or HDR, whichever you prefer.
Taking the suggestion from others I tried out your settings and wow, they look every good. When I first got my projector I tried some settings but they were not aggressive enough. I then got my Panasonic UB820 and have used tone mapping exclusively. Until I got my ATV4K recently and started looking for solutions. I must say using these simple tweaks makes the stock ST2084 curve look fairly decent. I don;t know why it gets such a bad rap and people dismiss it as unusable. I have not compared it directly with the UB820 tone mapping but overall the results are not bad at all. Thanks for publishing these settings.
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So I replaced the bulb on my 570 a couple of months ago(legit bulb from AVS). Since then I’ve noticed the artifact pictured on the middle/top of the image when something bright is nearby. What gives?
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So I replaced the bulb on my 570 a couple of months ago. Since then I’ve noticed the artifact pictured on the middle/top of the image when something bright is nearby. What gives?
No sure, if you did the paper test and you can see that in normal content I would call JVC at 1 (800) 252-5722 and see about getting the bulb replaced.
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So I replaced the bulb on my 570 a couple of months ago. Since then I’ve noticed the artifact pictured on the middle/top of the image when something bright is nearby. What gives?
No sure, if you did the paper test and you can see that in normal content I would call JVC at 1 (800) 252-5722 and see about getting the bulb replaced.
I’ll call them soon, because yeah I see it in everything.

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So I replaced the bulb on my 570 a couple of months ago(legit bulb from AVS). Since then I’ve noticed the artifact pictured on the middle/top of the image when something bright is nearby. What gives?
Did you get the (red solid)-(orange blinking)-(red solid) lights? My lamp won't turn on anymore. I think the bulb is dead, but the manual doesn't tell me what the solid red lights on the left and right mean. The bulb had about 1500 hours on it as well.
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Did you get the (red solid)-(orange blinking)-(red solid) lights? My lamp won't turn on anymore. I think the bulb is dead, but the manual doesn't tell me what the solid red lights on the left and right mean. The bulb had about 1500 hours on it as well.
The leftmost LED is not part of the error code; solid red simply shows the projector is in standby mode. The error is indicated by the blink frequency of the middle LED - X1, X2 or X3.

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The leftmost lamp is not part of the error code; solid red simply shows the projector is in standby mode. The error is indicated by the blink frequency of the middle LED - X1, X2 or X3.
Ah, OK. I'm guessing it's just a bad lamp then and not my worst fear that it might be a faulty board or something that needs to be taken into a repair shop. Does any know of a reputable source for just the bulbs?
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Ah, OK. I'm guessing it's just a bad lamp then and not my worst fear that it might be a faulty board or something that needs to be taken into a repair shop. Does any know of a reputable source for just the bulbs?
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Hi,

I am currently on the fence on which way to go with a projector upgrade.

My standards in terms of picture quality are very low to nonexistent haha, I never watched high quality content on a high quality monitor / projector so I don't really know what to expect and how to see if something looks bad.

My room is 3.36 meters by 3.36 meters. The ceilings and the walls are painted in white.

I am projecting onto a white wall and the maximum screen size I can have on the wall I am projecting on is 96 inches.

I currently have the Epson homecinema 2040 which is an entry level 1080p projector.

I can finally afford a better one and I can't decide between the JVC X570R and the Benq HT3550.

I want to get into 4k, I mostly watch tv shows at 1080P and play video games but I expect to be watching more movies when moving to 4K. I plan to buy a playstation 5 when it comes out and play 4k HDR games.


The JVC x570r is being sold on the classified forums here. It is a used refurbished unit with 117 hours on it with no warranty left.

The Benq ht3550 is new from Amazon.

I live in Israel so I have to pay shipping and taxes for both options.

The Benq ht3550 is 1900$ and that's the final price.

The JVC X570R is 2700$ (according to my calculations, But it really shouldn't be more than that).

The reasons to go with the ht3550 are:

It is a newer model.
It has warranty in case anything happens to it.
It's considerably cheaper.
It has a better throw ratio and can get me a larger screen in my room plus If I decide to get a projector screen which is larger than 96 inches the HT3550 would have no problem giving me that size.


The reasons to go with the X570R are:

Much better picture level in every aspect, I understand that there are now projectors in the 3000$ category that can compete with JVC projectors in terms of picture quality.
Possibly better input lag since it has the low latency mode (which for me is a major plus).
It has lens memory in case I want to watch movies in full screen.


However the x570r is huge, If I am projecting from 2.85 meters I will get a 92 inch screen (which is perfectly fine as long as I don't need a larger screen).

The ht3550 is 26 centimeters so I can project from 3.1 meters - It can go all the way from 95 inches to 124 inches.

Another problem with the ht3550 is the input lag - it is around 45 - 60 which is extremely bad for me since I plan to play 4k games on it.

From what I understand the difference in picture quality is extreme - Do you think it outweighs all of the pros of going with the ht3550.


Does anyone know what is the input lag of the JVC X570R in LOW LATENCY MODE? I haven't been able to find any answers online.

Any help is highly appreciated

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The reasons to go with the X570R are:

Much better picture level in every aspect, I understand that there are now projectors in the 3000$ category that can compete with JVC projectors in terms of picture quality.
Possibly better input lag since it has the low latency mode (which for me is a major plus).
It has lens memory in case I want to watch movies in full screen.

However the x570r is huge, If I am projecting from 2.85 meters I will get a 92 inch screen (which is perfectly fine as long as I don't need a larger screen).

The ht3550 is 26 centimeters so I can project from 3.1 meters - It can go all the way from 95 inches to 124 inches.

Another problem with the ht3550 is the input lag - it is around 45 - 60 which is extremely bad for me since I plan to play 4k games on it.

From what I understand the difference in picture quality is extreme - Do you think it outweighs all of the pros of going with the ht3550.
Around 35ms - 40ms using the Leo Bodnar input lag tester.
https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=1702.0
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There is no way I would ever choose the ht3550 over a JVC, just no way, as in zero-zilch-nada.
I would rather put salsa on my pancakes and smashed bananas in my orange juice.

There are no projectors in the $3000 category to compete with JVC, other than other JVC's (only used or B-stock really). The closest competitor would be a Sony hw45es or en Epson 5050ub.

For starters, the JVC has WAY more flexible placement, 20x better contrast, a brighter best mode, better color, sharper lens, controllable fixed Iris, lower gaming lag, better DI algorithm, and better P3-WCG coverage. It also has lens memory with fully motorized lens, zoom, and shift controls allowing you to have 2.35/2.40 screen and 16:9 and do automatic switching between the two modes.

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Around 35ms - 40ms using the Leo Bodnar input lag tester.
https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=1702.0
(search input lag to find the comment)

There is no way I would ever choose the ht3550 over a JVC, just no way, as in zero-zilch-nada.
I would rather put salsa on my pancakes and smashed bananas in my orange juice.

There are no projectors in the $3000 category to compete with JVC, other than other JVC's (only used or B-stock really). The closest competitor would be a Sony hw45es or en Epson 5050ub.

For starters, the JVC has WAY more flexible placement, 20x better contrast, a brighter best mode, better color, sharper lens, controllable fixed Iris, lower gaming lag, better DI algorithm, and better P3-WCG coverage. It also has lens memory with fully motorized lens, zoom, and shift controls allowing you to have 2.35/2.40 screen and 16:9 and do automatic switching between the two modes.

It's like comparing the Four Seasons to a Motel 6...
Hi,

Thank you for your help (especially with the input lag).

Over at the HT3550 thread people said that I wouldn't be able to get the full contrast from the JVC because my room is not painted in black.

Also, Does the x570r support 1080p at 120hz? (if so that is another huge plus because I will be able to play pc games at higher framerates).
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Thank you for your help (especially with the input lag).

Over at the HT3550 thread people said that I wouldn't be able to get the full contrast from the JVC because my room is not painted in black.

Also, Does the x570r support 1080p at 120hz? (if so that is another huge plus because I will be able to play pc games at higher framerates).
I do not believe so.

The room matters a lot, but people overestimate how much contrast you'll lose just from white walls. White walls mainly affects intrascene contrast when the scene is bright enough to reflect off the walls, but you still get the dark JVC blackouts and really dark scenes will still look much much richer than a DLP, regardless of the room. The mixed 'somewhat dark' scenes and the bright scenes are actually what will suffer the most, but overall the main hit to contrast in an imperfect room is most noticeable on scenes that have a lot of mixed light between dark and bright.

Also, every room is different, depends how close the walls are to the screen and how low the ceiling is overall to exactly how much the contrast suffers.
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Around 35ms - 40ms using the Leo Bodnar input lag tester.
https://discuss.avscience.com/index.php?topic=1702.0
(search input lag to find the comment)

There is no way I would ever choose the ht3550 over a JVC, just no way, as in zero-zilch-nada.
I would rather put salsa on my pancakes and smashed bananas in my orange juice.
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It's like comparing the Four Seasons to a Motel 6...
Well, a slightly different analogy since I used to have a BenQ HT3050 as a backup to my Primary RS45. I would compare my current RS500 to the BenQ ht3550 like Porsche vs. Mustang, though I did not own or saw the latter.

There are other factors as well, such as lens assembly where Sony and JVC rule in the $3000+ forum. Leica and Nikon demands a premium for their lenses.
Fan noise was an issue for me as well as light leakage from the BenQ.
Weight wise, BenQ could be easily mount on the ceiling by one person. The zoom of 1.3 is pitiful and limits placement/installation flexibility.
Low end and older JVCs like mine use e-shift or "smoke and mirror" to simulate 4k but I found the Oblivion blu-ray upscaled to 4k was phenomenally sharp.

My biggest beef is the HDMI synch time on the JVC, but that could just be me.

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I don't know if they ship overseas, but check with Craig Peer or Mike Garrett about a refurbished/warrantied JVC.

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As someone who went from a Benq W1070 to a B stock RS420, with a basement setup with white walls, it was a night and day difference.

So massive was the difference, i sat in aw for hours. The benq threw an amazing picture to begin with, but, when it came time to show dark screens, WOW, what a difference.

For a while, i read these forums, thinking to myself, does the JVC really toss a picture worth $2K more. The answer for me, yes.

I have since added velvet to half my room, which only made it better.

To give you an idea about what I am willing to spend, most of my gear is low level B stock or demo stuff. Paradigm monitor series speakers, all demo, B stock Denon AVR 720 et. So, would i spend this cash again on a JVC B stock, absolutely. Without hesitation, and i loved my Benq w1070.

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As someone who went from a Benq W1070 to a B stock RS420, with a basement setup with white walls, it was a night and day difference. So massive was the difference, i sat in aw for hours. The benq threw an amazing picture to begin with, but, when it came time to show dark screens, WOW, what a difference. For a while, i read these forums, thinking to myself, does the JVC really toss a picture worth $2K more. The answer for me, yes. I have since added velvet to half my room, which only made it better. To give you an idea about what I am willing to spend, most of my gear is low level B stock or demo stuff. Paradigm monitor series speakers, all demo, B stock Denon AVR 720 et. So, would i spend this cash again on a JVC B stock, absolutely. Without hesitation, and i loved my Benq w1070.
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