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This is a really cool set up Linus does with the projector. I love the custom desk he makes for it. I actually watched the video on my projector set up. Looks so good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDfnHVfEdA&t=0s
Nice link....and I like the concept. I bet it might be awesome on a curved screen and simulator use.

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Screen recomendation for this projector

If I were to mount this projector on the ceiling, which screen would be recommended? How about if I use it in the UST setup?
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I'm pretty tempted by the S718QL but given it'd be my first projector, I would have loved to see more "professional" reviews out there, especially given that $4.5k without screen is still a non negligible amount of $. :/
How do you proud owners of that projector like it? Has anyone been lucky enough to compare it against the Xiami Mi Ultra Short or the Epson EH-LS100 for instance? Is the 4K really noticeable? Also, any input lag when playing games?

Thanks in advance!

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I'm pretty tempted by the S718QL but given it'd be my first projector, I would have loved to see more "professional" reviews out there, especially given that $4.5k without screen is still a non negligible amount of $. :/
How do you proud owners of that projector like it? Has anyone been lucky enough to compare it against the Xiami Mi Ultra Short or the Epson EH-LS100 for instance? Is the 4K really noticeable? Also, any input lag when playing games?

Thanks in advance!
My first, and prior projector was a cheap Epson(?). Bought a cheap arm ceiling mount and it was just an awkward set up. We couldn't sit below the projector, otherwise when we stand, it would have hit us on the head.

When I was planning on upgrading, I knew I wanted 4K, and also a short throw (just due to logistics of my room set up as mentioned above). The 4K is noticeable when you start paying attention. All the fine details, they're all there. You also want to think about the future. 4K is slowly rolling out, and it will the standard in a couple of years. HDR is even more amazing. I've been gaming with a Xbox X, and don't notice any lag.

Yes, it's quite a bit of money, but this is something I'll be using for the next 5+ years. And it's just an awesome set up when people come over! The Superbowl was great to watch it on. If you're looking for a short throw, this is the best bang for the buck. If not, there's a lot of other 4k HDR projector you could look at.
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I am very close to ordering this projector. I have asked this question before but have not seen an answer yet. Which screen would go well with this projector if A. I use it as a UST projector and B. I mount it. Thanks for any input.
Since this is an ultra short throw projector, you should use a screen specifically made for such a projector.

This is the screen that I have for this projector. I got the 120 inch version.


https://www.amazon.com/Elite-Screens...screen+clr+120

The savings that you get from this sale price would cover for the screen expensive price. It is worth it to get this screen to get the full potential of this Dell projector.

You should use it as a UST projector instead of mounting it on the ceiling. It just looks better on the stand in my opinion.

I will not mount it in the ceiling so I cannot give you advice on ceiling mounting.

Good luck with your decision.
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I am very close to ordering this projector. I have asked this question before but have not seen an answer yet. Which screen would go well with this projector if A. I use it as a UST projector and B. I mount it. Thanks for any input.
You have to be careful of screen selection for UST. For example, Stewart only lists two screen materials as no minimum throw - Studiotek 100 and Graymatte 70.

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Since this is an ultra short throw projector, you should use a screen specifically made for such a projector.

This is the screen that I have for this projector. I got the 120 inch version.


https://www.amazon.com/Elite-Screens...screen+clr+120

The savings that you get from this sale price would cover for the screen expensive price. It is worth it to get this screen to get the full potential of this Dell projector.

You should use it as a UST projector instead of mounting it on the ceiling. It just looks better on the stand in my opinion.

I will not mount it in the ceiling so I cannot give you advice on ceiling mounting.

Good luck with your decision.
The largest Elite CLR screen listed is 120 inch. If I wish to go bigger, are there other alternative screen for this UST projector?
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The largest Elite CLR screen listed is 120 inch. If I wish to go bigger, are there other alternative screen for this UST projector?
Stewart. You might download the owners manual for that projector and see what it says regarding screen size from where you plan to mount it.

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Stewart. You might download the owners manual for that projector and see what it says regarding screen size from where you plan to mount it.
Craig,
According to the manual, the farther out from the screen the projector is placed, the larger the projected image.

Min: at 3.9 inches from the screen, the projector can project an image size of 100 inches (diagonal)
Max: at 8.9 inches from the screen, the projected image is 130 inch (diagonal).

What would happen if I keep on moving the projector farther out, let's say to 11 inches from the screen? Can I project a larger image than 130 inches or is there some limits to how large of an image this UST projector can throw?
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My first, and prior projector was a cheap Epson(?). Bought a cheap arm ceiling mount and it was just an awkward set up. We couldn't sit below the projector, otherwise when we stand, it would have hit us on the head.

When I was planning on upgrading, I knew I wanted 4K, and also a short throw (just due to logistics of my room set up as mentioned above). The 4K is noticeable when you start paying attention. All the fine details, they're all there. You also want to think about the future. 4K is slowly rolling out, and it will the standard in a couple of years. HDR is even more amazing. I've been gaming with a Xbox X, and don't notice any lag.

Yes, it's quite a bit of money, but this is something I'll be using for the next 5+ years. And it's just an awesome set up when people come over! The Superbowl was great to watch it on. If you're looking for a short throw, this is the best bang for the buck. If not, there's a lot of other 4k HDR projector you could look at.
Sorry didn't reply earlier, thanks for the details! Reading the entire Xiaomi and Dell threads, I realize I'm in exactly the same boat as SanDiegoGuy: I'm debating whether I go for the S718QL and spend $$ or if I opt for a more affordable 1080p UST that I would use for the next 1-2 years and make the jump to a $$ or $$$ awesome 4k UST. I have the feeling that this is just the beginning of 4k UST and that the next two years are going to bring greatness in that space. But I have a huge wall and a tiny 46" LCD TV that I want to replace... Decisions decisions...
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Sorry didn't reply earlier, thanks for the details! Reading the entire Xiaomi and Dell threads, I realize I'm in exactly the same boat as SanDiegoGuy: I'm debating whether I go for the S718QL and spend $$ or if I opt for a more affordable 1080p UST that I would use for the next 1-2 years and make the jump to a $$ or $$$ awesome 4k UST. I have the feeling that this is just the beginning of 4k UST and that the next two years are going to bring greatness in that space. But I have a huge wall and a tiny 46" LCD TV that I want to replace... Decisions decisions...
Yes, we are on the same boat if you read both this thread and the Xiaomi UST projector thread. As you know, if they had not deliver the wrong item to me instead of delivering my Xiaomi projector, I would be using the Xiaomi projector right now.....but will always have that feeling of 4K itch. Now that I think about it, I am glad that they sent me a phone instead of the projector.
The way I see it, I will sell the Dell projector once a really good 4K UST projector come out in the future. I want to enjoy 4K now because life is short. There will always be better things in the future.
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Craig,
According to the manual, the farther out from the screen the projector is placed, the larger the projected image.

Min: at 3.9 inches from the screen, the projector can project an image size of 100 inches (diagonal)
Max: at 8.9 inches from the screen, the projected image is 130 inch (diagonal).

What would happen if I keep on moving the projector farther out, let's say to 11 inches from the screen? Can I project a larger image than 130 inches or is there some limits to how large of an image this UST projector can throw?
Good question. 130" is pretty good sized. If you decide to buy this projector, get it first before buying the screen. Then you can experiment - maybe you can go larger than 130", although that would be large enough for me. If the idea is to have a bright punch image, don't go too big.

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Craig,
According to the manual, the farther out from the screen the projector is placed, the larger the projected image.

Min: at 3.9 inches from the screen, the projector can project an image size of 100 inches (diagonal)
Max: at 8.9 inches from the screen, the projected image is 130 inch (diagonal).

What would happen if I keep on moving the projector farther out, let's say to 11 inches from the screen? Can I project a larger image than 130 inches or is there some limits to how large of an image this UST projector can throw?
Good question. 130" is pretty good sized. If you decide to buy this projector, get it first before buying the screen. Then you can experiment - maybe you can go larger than 130", although that would be large enough for me. If the idea is to have a bright punch image, don't go too big.

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Question Max Distance >130"?

It would be great if an owner could do some distance tests....how far/how big can you get the image before there are image issues? In a light controlled room, you could compensate for the brightness, but not for focus or other image issues. Anyone hit 140 or 150"??? It would great if we had an UST capable of 150" 16:9.
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It would be great if an owner could do some distance tests....how far/how big can you get the image before there are image issues? In a light controlled room, you could compensate for the brightness, but not for focus or other image issues. Anyone hit 140 or 150"??? It would great if we had an UST capable of 150" 16:9.
150 inch is my goal....
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It would be great if an owner could do some distance tests....how far/how big can you get the image before there are image issues? In a light controlled room, you could compensate for the brightness, but not for focus or other image issues. Anyone hit 140 or 150"??? It would great if we had an UST capable of 150" 16:9.
Anything over 130 diagonal will result in severe keystoning. The image is already undergoing a warp through the lens(wide angle) to counter
keystoning. So by expanding the image beyond the capabilities of the lens you are reintroducing keystoning. Ultra short pj's don't have a zoom lens.
I would not go over the manufacturer's recommendations.
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Anything over 130 diagonal will result in severe keystoning. The image is already undergoing a warp through the lens(wide angle) to counter
keystoning. So by expanding the image beyond the capabilities of the lens you are reintroducing keystoning. Ultra short pj's don't have a zoom lens.
I would not go over the manufacturer's recommendations.
Sure in theory, which is why I thought it would be great if an owner did some real-world tests. I'm sure you could get to 135, maybe 140 without severe keystoning; but without tests we wouldn't know. Plus, you could always use an image processor or graphics card to manipulate the image. But, I would say as an UST...pulling it out from the wall to get a bigger image will have its functional limits. At some point, a ST would make more sense.

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Sure in theory, which is why I thought it would be great if an owner did some real-world tests. I'm sure you could get to 135, maybe 140 without severe keystoning; but without tests we wouldn't know. Plus, you could always use an image processor or graphics card to manipulate the image. But, I would say as an UST...pulling it out from the wall to get a bigger image will have its functional limits. At some point, a ST would make more sense.
You can't focus the image properly. I don't know how big I tried to make it but there was a focus issue. I was just throwing it against my wall when I first got it. It was a while ago, so I can't say for sure!
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I had a chance to view both in person with a 1080P short throw projector before purchasing. The SI was a better image, but it was also 3x more expensive. I don't think it was 3x the better image. Check here: https://projectionsupply.com/product...nt=37277923272. Not sure if they actually have it in stock, but maybe call and ask.
I did not know that the SI screen for ultra short throw projector is better quality. If I had known, I may have bought the SI screen instead. I bought the 120 inch CLR Aeon screen from Elite Screen but I have not received the Dell laser projector to test it out yet.

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I'm in the same boat - bit the bullet and ordered everything last week, but I'm also having to wait the 2-3 weeks for the 100" ES Aeon CLR (projector arrives tomorrow). It seems that Elite Screens is low on the screen material because even samples are out of stock until late March!

On a semi-related note - does anyone have experience with Elunevision screens? They have a UST specific ALR screen (Aurora ST) that is available to order direct from them, although it too is a 3 week wait (its custom order only). I was quoted $2900 for a 100" with a minimal frame, similar to the ES Aeon or SI Zero Edge.
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I have never heard of Elunevision screens. By the way, I finally got my Dell S718QL projector today. I also had time to finish hanging my 120 inch Aeon CLR last night.... so just in time to receive my projector. I am pretty excited to test the projector out tonight.
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I have never heard of Elunevision screens. By the way, I finally got my Dell S718QL projector today. I also had time to finish hanging my 120 inch Aeon CLR last night.... so just in time to receive my projector. I am pretty excited to test the projector out tonight.
I'll cross my fingers for you.. Mine is bad, so they have to ship out a replacement :-(..
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I'm in the same boat - bit the bullet and ordered everything last week, but I'm also having to wait the 2-3 weeks for the 100" ES Aeon CLR (projector arrives tomorrow). It seems that Elite Screens is low on the screen material because even samples are out of stock until late March!

On a semi-related note - does anyone have experience with Elunevision screens? They have a UST specific ALR screen (Aurora ST) that is available to order direct from them, although it too is a 3 week wait (its custom order only). I was quoted $2900 for a 100" with a minimal frame, similar to the ES Aeon or SI Zero Edge.

I talked to them and they claimed that they use the exact same material as SI does.. I could have sworn that SI said manufactures their own screens and they don't share their patents.. (granted they could be bending the truth as marketing people love to do)

I think I am biting the bullet and going to 120"
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I have never heard of Elunevision screens. By the way, I finally got my Dell S718QL projector today. I also had time to finish hanging my 120 inch Aeon CLR last night.... so just in time to receive my projector. I am pretty excited to test the projector out tonight.
Woohoo, more feedback! Also impatiently waiting for Projector Reviews to publish theirs at the end of the month (https://www.projectorreviews.com/the...uhd-projector/).
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Hey can anyone tell if this projector can do any motion interpolation (soap opera effect)?
Also, does it upscale to 4k?
I'm just curious about how it handles motion since what info I can find seems to be about presentations and stuff.
I've tried searching around and couldn't find the answers.
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Hey can anyone tell if this projector can do any motion interpolation (soap opera effect)?
Also, does it upscale to 4k?
I'm just curious about how it handles motion since what info I can find seems to be about presentations and stuff.
I've tried searching around and couldn't find the answers.
yes it has Motion smoothing.. You can turn it off.. .Its not in the manual.. The manual is actually woefully incomplete on the menu options and what they do..
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I want to get the Sony ultra short throw projector now because the rainbow effect is bothering me. I read that people in this thread had said they cannot see the RBE but I can see it, especially with white subtitles and fast moving scenes. Even shifting my eyes quickly can detect the RBE. I wish the Sony is not $25,000 and hope that I can get a big sale price on it. I also hope that other company can come up with UST laser projector that does not use single color wheel to prevent RBE. I used the Elite Screen Aeon CLR screen made specifically for UST projector but I can still detect RBE. :-(
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I want to get the Sony ultra short throw projector now because the rainbow effect is bothering me. I read that people in this thread had said they cannot see the RBE but I can see it, especially with white subtitles and fast moving scenes. Even shifting my eyes quickly can detect the RBE. I wish the Sony is not $25,000 and hope that I can get a big sale price on it. I also hope that other company can come up with UST laser projector that does not use single color wheel to prevent RBE. I used the Elite Screen Aeon CLR screen made specifically for UST projector but I can still detect RBE. :-(
That is what I am worried about. Once you figure out how to see RBE it's hard to NOT see RBE. Are you going to try and just get used to it?
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I want to get the Sony ultra short throw projector now because the rainbow effect is bothering me. I read that people in this thread had said they cannot see the RBE but I can see it, especially with white subtitles and fast moving scenes. Even shifting my eyes quickly can detect the RBE. I wish the Sony is not $25,000 and hope that I can get a big sale price on it. I also hope that other company can come up with UST laser projector that does not use single color wheel to prevent RBE. I used the Elite Screen Aeon CLR screen made specifically for UST projector but I can still detect RBE. :-(
Sorry, meant to ask, besides RBE issue, what do you think of the pj and screen?
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