Originally Posted by CoreyTrevor
Sorry everybody, got busy finishing my move so I didn't have much time to dedicate to the HT setup.
HDR: As some others have mentioned, the colors "pop" a little TOO much with the out of the box settings. The colors were incredible, but too saturated. If someone was wearing a red or blue shirt it looked like they were glowing with HDR turned on. After some tweaking, the HDR effect is excellent. I would recommend turning off PureColor and manually tweaking the color levels, but PureColor at 1 or 2 is good if you don't want to calibrate yourself.
24hz Video: Perfect with PureMotion set to 1 or 2. I personally prefer it set to 1. I've never read about this to confirm, but it seems as though my wife and I can see a different number of frames per second. It's almost unbearable for me to watch things at 24hz/24fps. I can't play video games at 30fps at all. If I do, I get the "third leg" effect when people are walking and when there are small, fast-moving objects onscreen it looks like the classic Windows "mouse trail" effect. Sorry I don't know the correct terms for what I'm talking about. Because of that, I'm not the person to ask about 24fps performance since it ALWAYS looks bad to me, even in theaters. All that aside, the PureMotion setting completely alleviates my issues. Keep in mind that if you use it to make a 30fps video game smoother it does a great job, but introduces too much lag for most games.
Black Levels: Despite all the complaints I've read (mostly by people that have never seen one of these projectors in person), the black levels are great AFTER some tweaking/calibrating. They were good, but not great out of the box. If you're willing to put some time in adjusting the image settings, I think 98% of people will be happy with the black levels.
4k/Pixel Density/Image Clarity: As I said before, I wouldn't have guessed this wasn't a "real" 4k projector. I don't think anyone will have an issue with the image quality. Even playing Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (which is a great test for higher resolution monitors), I was extremely impressed. I was playing in Game Mode as well, which does make a big difference in lag.
Input Lag/Response Time: This projector would be suitable to play even first person shooters and other games that demand very fast response times, but probably not competitively. If you play CounterStrike for a living you aren't going to be happy with it, but I'm not a competitive gamer and I was very happy with the performance in game mode. On this note, keep in mind many A/V receivers will introduce quite a bit of lag on their own. I have my PS4 Pro and a gaming PC plugged directly into the projector and use an optical cable to get sound to the A/V receiver. If I run them through the receiver I definitely get more lag, and that's with a Denon AVR-S730H. Other receivers may have less issue here, but I thought it was worth noting for those interested in 4k gaming on this projector. Also worth noting; the projector will take a 4k/60hz signal with 10-bit HDR enabled if you can convince the source to output that way. Works best with a PC.
Noise Level: Very low. I couldn't give you a dB measurement, but I wouldn't worry about noise levels. Maybe another owner can chime in on that front.
Complaints: The white levels weren't easy to get to where I was happy. I'm not sure how to describe the effect in technical terms, but there were issues with white objects against a bright color (like clouds) looking blocky and pixelated out of the box. I was able to resolve the issue, but this was the one area where I was not impressed with the out of the box settings. You also don't get much in the way of lens shift, so make sure you mount the projector in the right place the first time. The unit also doesn't power on as fast as I'd like for a laser-based projector, but that's a minor gripe.
I'm still learning my way around this projector, and I will still be getting it calibrated (probably by Ken Whitcomb) once my wallet recovers a bit from buying a new house/etc. For now, I can say that this is an awesome projector if you want to get in early on the 4k projection game, and it's great knowing it has the reliability and flexibility of a laser-based light source. I'd definitely recommend it over a UHD65 or UHD60 if you can swing it, the performance is quite a bit better and of course you won't have to change lamps.
I agree with almost all of this but I didn't really test gaming so can't comment.
Originally Posted by Ruined
Yeah it does look good with PureMotion 1 if it's like the uhd65 but was hoping they added 48hz 24p, which would be relatively smooth with pure motion disabled.
Originally Posted by DreamWarrior
That's because using 60hz for 24hz material gives you judder at worst case, best case the projector's processing recognizes the cadence and "undoes" the 60hz rate and resyncs at, hopefully, a multiple of 24hz. The only other alternative is interpolation.
It appears this projector doesn't have a native frame rate that is a multiple of 24hz, so it'll always have some judder unless it performs interpolation, which will create "fake" frames and, thus, has artifacts of its own.
Anyone who wants "fidelity" (in the truest sense of the word) for their 24hz material wants to send as 24hz and display at a multiple of 24hz (i.e. no judder no interpolation).
This is, yet another, preference vs. reference thing. There's no "right answer", but there is only one way that is true to the original source (and it's not yours, lol).
I tested the motion with the Murideo G6 pattern generator I have. I used the one with the sweeping vertical line that sweeps horizontally across the screen. I did this in 4K 23.976p mode and the motion appeared very fluid and smooth with no hiccups or dropped frames while I watched. This was with Pure motion off, too. To me it clearly uses some sort of even multiple of 24p like 48, 96 or 120.
Originally Posted by rprice54
Any of you guys with hands on this PJ been able to compare it to a e-shifter like JVC/Epson?
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Yes I have had many Epsons here (5040UB, LS10000, LS10500) and still do (LS10500) and also JVC RS600 hand picked for me from AVS.
I would not hesitate to recommend this projector to anyone thinking about those models, including the lower Sonys (285/385). It is more of a preference thing really. If you like super sharp, bright and detailed images with slightly lower dynamic contrast (the laser dimming to zero on DynamicBlack setting 2 is awesome!) then this is the projector for you! If you want dimmer, slightly less sharp images with less ANSI pop but much higher native contrast and blacks, then go for the others.
I think I am starting to prefer DLPs again with this unit and in this price range. I'll know and feel more after I get my Sony VW885ES, but of course that's many, many times the price! I may have a Sony 285 here soon too.
PM me if you want more info on the UHZ65 and the other models too.
Originally Posted by Larry J
Curious to know if you have any further thoughts on the projector. I've considered buying it still no real reviews out on it that I can find. Might replace a JVC RS2 that has been running find all these years, but its in a room that isn't used for long hours at a time. Kind of like the idea of laser and I've had DLP projectors before.
I don't have anything further yet, other than some tips. Use Brilliant Color setting of about 9 if using the D65 mode. Otherwise the color temp will be through the roof too high and you'll have a hell of a time calibrating properly with such a blue/cool starting point. Also for some strange reason I kept going back to the "Graphics" gamma curve and every time that setting seemed to track the PQ the best of all the possibilities. It defaults to 2.0 for some reason, which in my pretty dark room seems way off.
Like I said previously, this projector is a VERY pleasant surprise to me. I agree blacks are definitely better than you'd think on paper. If you haven't personally seen it and Calibrated it, I don't think you should comment because you won't know what you're talking about. I recall seeing about 9K:1 Contrast in on screen or another. I have to go back to all my notes. I've been busy as hell lately, sorry.
I'll report some Calibration numbers soon hopefully.