Originally Posted by eurotrance
The Acer comes out in the US first quarter 2018. Unfortunately that's too late for me as in the country where I live, neither will ever be sold, and even if they would be, it would be priced double to triple US MSRP.
I'm not sure why you keep saying that Acer doesn't sell their models in the US, the V7850 is available and the VL7860 will be as well.
As for Optoma's firmware advantages, here in a German forum, they were supposed to see a demo of the UHZ65 this past weekend and that didn't happen because the firmware is allegedly so buggy they postponed the demonstration and a firmware update (which requires a return to manufacturer) is mandatory to correct the apparently obvious bugs :
But the UHZ65 can be had at almost the same cost, street price. It remains to be seen for the Acer.
We do show and have been advised of a FW update for these three models (UHD60/65, UHZ65). I don't know about other distributors, but apparently ones bought from us don't have to go to Optoma for it. We can do it on the remaining stock and for any sent to us.
If the Acer uses the same processing chip and doesn't have it implemented, then it'll be an issue on that as well. Maybe that's what's holding it up from being sold in the USA? I do recall seeing it listed at one of our distributors sites though. I'll have to investigate if I get time.
Originally Posted by Ruined
TI could definitely put out an 0.95" native 4k DMD with similar contrast performance to the current 0.67" XPR chip. This 0.95" native 4k chip configuration would have a near-identical mirror density and thus should perform quite similarly in terms of contrast; however the size of the chip would require a larger lens, likely pushing a projector like this into the $10k-$30k range (at least at first, will likely drop over time). I am of the opinion that this will likely happen at some point but it is likely a low priority since this is a niche price segment - virtually every other DMD size is more important to address first (0.47" budget, 0.67" enthusiast/large venue, 1.38" pro).
Manufacturers can also avoid RBE by using high speed cycling LEDs as past Runco, DPI, Vivitek LED DLPs have accomplished at 18x colorwheel equivalent speed. Perhaps the Colorspark dual-rod 5000 lumen variant would fit the bill here, but it seems that has been dumped for brighter laser tech.
Unfortunately we aren't there yet, but the UHZ65 certainly shows a lot of promise for the future and demonstrates why high brightness combined with high dynamic contrast puts out a fantastic HDR experience based on owner's comments. I'm not sure native contrast is all that important when you get into the high lumens/high dynamic contrast arena, as the high dynamic contrast will allow dimming for good black level in dark scenes and the high brightness in bright HDR scenes will make your eyes perceive blacks darker than they actually are (same concept of how a dynamic iris works). I think it boils down to preference whether you'd rather have a truly eye-popping bright HDR highlights vs. very deep blacks but significantly less bright HDR highlights. Sort of like how there are two flat panel HDR standards - High Brightness/Low Contrast (Samsung/LCD) and Low Brightness/High Contrast (LG/OLED). Both accomplish a similar feat in making your eye/brain perceive high dynamic range in different ways.
The pieces of the puzzle for a all around grand slam DLP 4k projector are definitely there, but no manufacturer has yet assembled them.
Originally Posted by eurotrance
All these reports of people seeing RBE are disappointing to read, that's a higher percentage than it should be. Sure, the sample is still low but it doesn't give me a good impression so far. Maybe using a RGBY wheel on this model wasn't such a good idea after all...
That really bugs me because here we have a report of somebody returning the UHZ65 based on the fact that they had a better picture on the UHD65, and low and behold, the UHD65 has a RGBRGB wheel.
This comes back full circle to what I've been saying all along : it makes no sense for Optoma to say the UHD65 is more geared towards home theater viewing than the UHD60 mostly because it has a RGBRGB color wheel over the 4 segment wheel of the UHD60, yet turn around and tell us they chose the 4 segment wheel on the UHZ65 because it's brighter. Then if that's true, why advertise the UHD60 more as a gaming/presentation device and the UHD65 as a home theater one ?
Home theater isn't supposed to be in bright environments, so that excuse of more brightness for picking a RGBY wheel seems more and more like what I'm calling it, an excuse. The more I read reports of people experiencing RBE and in some cases poorer black levels, the more I'm getting convinced of this.
I'm sure they had to make a conscious decision of more brightness for HDR and image pop or slightly better colors with less RBE and much less brightness and the decision they made, for THIS particular model was to go with the former. I'm sure they knew with either decision they'd piss someone off and lock someone out of their "must haves", which you must be one of.
Just take that for what it is, understand their decision, accept it and move on. Just stop slamming them for no good reason. These types of business/marketing
decisions happen every day and unless YOU are the company putting forth that capital or an employee or stockholder of, you really don't have a say in it. If these were the criteria to piss all over a particular company, then every one would be criticized to no end from one angle or another.
Success of their decision is measured by sales, so unless the UHZ65 totally bombs, then they made the right one.
Originally Posted by reanimator
Do we have an update on Dave Harper? Hope he's doing well!
Yes, I died and now I'm the ghost of Dave Harper, haunting AVS forever!!!!
(I'm sure a few members would just LOVE that, haha!)
All kidding aside, thanks for your and everyone's well wishes through this scary time! I'm back home now, out of ICU on tons of meds. I had fluid in my heart and lungs this time, so must've had an underlying infection going on that they didn't catch when I was in last week and they treated me for the blood clots which caused heart issues.
I haven't been well enough to mount the UHZ65 yet and the Sony should be here today. Hopefully I'll be well enough soon to check them out and give you guys something.