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post #121 of 394 Old 09-18-2017, 09:57 PM
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CMRA good to know thanks ! Looks like HK2299 may be my next projector !
I have a Panamorph Anamorphic lens and 2.40 screen right now, but thinking to upgrade to a curved 2.40 screen.

That almost sounds like a step backwards. But, you know, I didn't see a single PA lens set up at Cedia at all.
Now you have me wondering if the PA option even exists for 4k projectors.
How will you address the curve? Won't that lead to 'fuzzy' sides?
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That almost sounds like a step backwards. But, you know, I didn't see a single PA lens set up at Cedia at all.
Now you have me wondering if the PA option even exists for 4k projectors.
How will you address the curve? Won't that lead to 'fuzzy' sides?
It exists but its not cheap. I have the older model UH480. It should still work. The curved screen is supposed to help / eliminate barrel distortion. The shorter the throw distance, the more barrel distortion. I have a small room so you can see it, but can be pretty much eliminated with overscan on the black velvet frame of the screen. The advantage with using an A lens is you can go with a much larger 2.40 screen from a shorter throw. And the best part you don't waste any pixels with a lens, and gain brightness.

https://www.panamorph.com/home-theater-lens-options/
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Anamorphic lenses are a great option for those who need a short throw who don't want to spend a fortune on a UST projector. The UH480 is one of the best anamorphic lenses ever made.
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That almost sounds like a step backwards. But, you know, I didn't see a single PA lens set up at Cedia at all.
Sony demoed the newest Panamorph Anamorphic lens which is a vertical compression solution. First time I've seen it, instead of doing horizontal stretch it does vertical compression. So if you have a 16:9 screen when a letter box movie is showing you stretch the image electronically to fill the full chip and then move the lens into position to get the proper proportions, It helps to have vertical masking. The advantage is you keep the full chip resolution and brightness. It was in the manufacturers side presentation of Sony projectors, off the show floor.

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Thanks guys.

"It was in the manufacturers side presentation of Sony projectors, off the show floor. "


This explains a lot.
It seems I missed more. The Wolf TXF-5000 was at the show too.
Really wanted to see that one.
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"It was in the manufacturers side presentation of Sony projectors, off the show floor. "


This explains a lot.
It seems I missed more. The Wolf TXF-5000 was at the show too.
Really wanted to see that one.
That model looks to be a JVC DLA-RS4500 in a custom built chassis. Wolf normally takes OEM designed projectors, puts them in a fancy looking chassis, adds in a Lumagen scaler and charges a pretty high markup for it all. The regulars here on the forum know that buying the OEM model, the RS4500 in this case, is always the better idea. Just get it professionally calibrated and save yourself the thousands of dollars Wolf was trying to make off of you.
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yep

"Really wanted to see that one."


It stops right there. The 2299 is much more in my league.
Thanks for the heads-up.
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"Really wanted to see that one."


It stops right there. The 2299 is much more in my league.
Thanks for the heads-up.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/vivitek...?skuId=6092401
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Now I'm a bit confused. Are they all the same machine with different model numbers? I just found this spec sheet.

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Now I'm a bit confused. Are they all the same machine with different model numbers? I just found this spec sheet.

http://www.pressagencyinc.com/upload...spec_sheet.pdf
There is an HK2299, different specs

http://www.vivitekstore.com/-HK2299BK/Projector/41859
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There is an HK2299, different specs

http://www.vivitekstore.com/-HK2299BK/Projector/41859
Have they ever shipped either of those models or they still coming soon? That link shows only a 1 year warranty but elsewhere I saw 3 years sometime in the past. Also this thread is in the wrong place now with those prices.
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Have they ever shipped either of those models or they still coming soon? That link shows only a 1 year warranty but elsewhere I saw 3 years sometime in the past. Also this thread is in the wrong place now with those prices.
I agree it should be moved to less than $3K forum.
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Vivitek HK2299 4K

Agreed that this thread should move to the under $3k forum.

As for the projector itself, great that it has three hdmi 2.0 ports.

However, what is the deal with the lamp life? 2500 hours normal, 3500 hours eco, and 4000 hours dynamic eco.

The uhd65 is 4000 hours bright, 10000 hours eco, and 15000 hours dynamic eco.

Don't they both use basically the same TI unit? I guess everyone implements their own way of mating the lamp to the TI unit?


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Looks like this model is finally showing up at a few stores so I'm hoping there will be a review which tests the input lag soon.
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Agreed that this thread should move to the under $3k forum.

As for the projector itself, great that it has three hdmi 2.0 ports.

However, what is the deal with the lamp life? 2500 hours normal, 3500 hours eco, and 4000 hours dynamic eco.

The uhd65 is 4000 hours bright, 10000 hours eco, and 15000 hours dynamic eco.


Don't they both use basically the same TI unit? I guess everyone implements their own way of mating the lamp to the TI unit?


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Sometimes I think manufacturers pull these numbers ( same with contrast numbers ) out of their ............ !! I'll bet the picture will be mighty dim long before 10,000 hours. But, I don't like watching Blu-rays / 1080p below 14 foot lamberts. 6 FL doesn't cut it for me. I'd ignore the crazy long lamp life numbers.
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Any reviews yet ?
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Does anyone know if this will have the native 2.35 mode that the 1186WT had? It allows you to set your zoom for 2.35:1 and then digitally scale any 16:9 content to fit the scope screen height. I'm curious if the image quality with 4K would be all right or if it is just worth saving up for a higher end projector with lens memory.

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Any reviews yet ?

Someone posted this link where it's discussed and compared to similar projectors a little bit:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/vivi...et-projectors/

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Does anyone know if this will have the native 2.35 mode that the 1186WT had? It allows you to set your zoom for 2.35:1 and then digitally scale any 16:9 content to fit the scope screen height. I'm curious if the image quality with 4K would be all right or if it is just worth saving up for a higher end projector with lens memory.

That's a good question, IMHO it would be a smart move of Vivitek to hold on to that particular feature (I recommended it to Optoma UK a long time ago but apparently they didn't consider this feature necessary), especially since both the HK2288 or HK2299 don't seem to offer extra features the Optomas or Acers don't have.


Of course, you'd be loosing image resolution of 16:9 full screen program content (as it would have to be downscaled to fit within the 2.35:1 segment) but if your favorite programs are usually 2.35:1 then this feature makes sense.


Of course, any projector with lens memory will preserve all the image resolution of both 2.35:1 and 16:9 programs as no downscaling whatsoever is involved.

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That's a good question, IMHO it would be a smart move of Vivitek to hold on to that particular feature (I recommended it to Optoma UK a long time ago but apparently they didn't consider this feature necessary), especially since both the HK2288 or HK2299 don't seem to offer extra features the Optomas or Acers don't have.


Of course, you'd be loosing image resolution of 16:9 full screen program content (as it would have to be downscaled to fit within the 2.35:1 segment) but if your favorite programs are usually 2.35:1 then this feature makes sense.


Of course, any projector with lens memory will preserve all the image resolution of both 2.35:1 and 16:9 programs as no downscaling whatsoever is involved.
I did reach out to Vivitek and this is what they said:

"At this time the Vivitek HK2299 does not have the native 2.35.1 mode.

This is a feature that we will add to the projector in the future."

I'm not sure if that will be a firmware item or a slightly different model number. I'll let you know if they get back to me on that.

I guess the math is a bit funny but my thought was on a 1080p projector zoomed to scope that when you downscale to 16:9 you lose resolution, but on the 4K UHD you are scaling it up to 3840 x 2160 from a 1080p source, then scaling it back down to 16:9 so maybe the image quality would be better when scaling down to 16:9 than some of the higher end entry level 1080p projectors that don't have lens memory. Does that reasoning even make sense?

Otherwise the Optoma 5040UB is in the same price range and has a powered lens with memory. It might just make more sense to go this route. What do you guys think?

I have been lurking and researching a few years but this will be my first personal projector. I have a plasma TV right now so picture quality does matter. I have installed a BenQ 1070 in another space that got my interest piqued. Plus I just bought a house with an unfinished basement so I feel like the time is right My preference would be to go scope right off the bat if feasible but I have a pretty limited budget. I do watch a ton of 16:9 content as well as movies so I wouldn't want to compromise the 16:9 too much.

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Does anyone know if this will have the native 2.35 mode that the 1186WT had? It allows you to set your zoom for 2.35:1 and then digitally scale any 16:9 content to fit the scope screen height. I'm curious if the image quality with 4K would be all right or if it is just worth saving up for a higher end projector with lens memory.
If you throw size reduction through digital scaling into the mix you've pretty much defeated the purpose of 4k extra detail IMO

The dlp 4k projectors do support anamorphic lens modes and this would be the way to likely do CIH best with this and other dlp 4k projectors. Of course the lens would be an extra expense, but would definitely be the way to go.
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Otherwise the Optoma 5040UB is in the same price range and has a powered lens with memory. It might just make more sense to go this route. What do you guys think?
I think unless the only thing you care about is resolution, you should take a long, hard look at the Epson, it should best these XPR DLPs in pretty much every area other than resolution.

That said though, you should also check out the B-Stock RS400's and closeout RS420's. Either of those will slaughter an Optoma or XPR DLP in overall picture quality, brighter, hugely more contrast, wider gamut, better lens, sharper than the Epson. I'm not sure what closeout pricing on the RS420's is, but the B-Stock RS400's are in the ballpark.
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The dlp 4k projectors do support anamorphic lens modes and this would be the way to likely do CIH best with this and other dlp 4k projectors. Of course the lens would be an extra expense, but would definitely be the way to go.
Yeah, $3000-6000 extra, anything else would totally negate the resolution benefit of XPR DLP, leaving you with something worse in every way than an LCoS with lens shift.
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I think unless the only thing you care about is resolution, you should take a long, hard look at the Epson, it should best these XPR DLPs in pretty much every area other than resolution.

That said though, you should also check out the B-Stock RS400's and closeout RS420's. Either of those will slaughter an Optoma or XPR DLP in overall picture quality, brighter, hugely more contrast, wider gamut, better lens, sharper than the Epson. I'm not sure what closeout pricing on the RS420's is, but the B-Stock RS400's are in the ballpark.
Thanks for the idea - I didn't realize they did B stock! I have also been hawking ebay for a while to see what they are going for but I would rather buy new.

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Vivitek HK2299 has 5% - 15% vertical lens offset, which means that large screen placement will be much more difficult than projectors that have vertical range from 0% - 15%, like the Optoma UHD65. Thus, the screen size is more limited in rooms with 8 foot ceilings than say the Optoma UHD65 that has a vertical offset of 0% - 15%. The actual lens/screen vertical offset will be a function of projector distance from screen. I was considering both projectors but will not be able to install the Vivitek because of the vertical lens offset. My 144" diagonal screen is too large. Potential buyers need to understand the impact of the vertical lens offset spec.
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Vivitek HK2299 has 5% - 15% vertical lens offset, which means that large screen placement will be much more difficult than projectors that have vertical range from 0% - 15%, like the Optoma UHD65. Thus, the screen size is more limited in rooms with 8 foot ceilings than say the Optoma UHD65 that has a vertical offset of 0% - 15%. The actual lens/screen vertical offset will be a function of projector distance from screen. I was considering both projectors but will not be able to install the Vivitek because of the vertical lens offset. My 144" diagonal screen is too large. Potential buyers need to understand the impact of the vertical lens offset spec.
Yep I personally could not place the HK2299 in my room without moving down the screen which I don't wish to do. The Optoma is more flexible in that regard, though neither is as flexible as the BenQs.
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Yeah, $3000-6000 extra, anything else would totally negate the resolution benefit of XPR DLP, leaving you with something worse in every way than an LCoS with lens shift.
Although used I have seen some great deals on them.

Personally unless one is height limited (generally far less common than width limited) I don't see the purpose of CIH. The premier home formats are all 16:9 and you can get the same effect via masking - plus if not height limited you get a smaller picture for 1.85:1, 1.66:1,.1.37:1 with CIH. CIH also prevents proper reproduction of varying aspect ratio movies and may require subtitle repositioning in some cases.

I know some may make a purist argument that 2.35:1 is supposed to be wider than 1.78:1 but this is not always the case (IMAX multi aspect) and when it is the case like Brainstorm the BD still works best on 16:9 setups since it windowboxes the 1.85:1 sequences. And you add another optical element in the path or unnecessary digital processing. To me again unless height limited you are purposely shrinking your 1.37:1, 1.66:1, 1.85:1 content which is a much, much, much larger library of films than 2.35:1 and hence doesn't make sense to me.
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I think unless the only thing you care about is resolution, you should take a long, hard look at the Epson, it should best these XPR DLPs in pretty much every area other than resolution.

That said though, you should also check out the B-Stock RS400's and closeout RS420's. Either of those will slaughter an Optoma or XPR DLP in overall picture quality, brighter, hugely more contrast, wider gamut, better lens, sharper than the Epson. I'm not sure what closeout pricing on the RS420's is, but the B-Stock RS400's are in the ballpark.
You would be surprised how low it is.
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Although used I have seen some great deals on them.
$3000 is the great deal used price, that's about the lowest I've seen an ISCO lately. I wouldn't consider putting a prism based lens in front of a 4K projector, even if their optics are up to the challenge (like a Panamorph DC1 or UH480) they're not adjustable/focusable, so you can't get them dialed in perfect unless you happen to have exactly the right throw.

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Personally unless one is height limited (generally far less common than width limited) I don't see the purpose of CIH.
Because Star Wars is supposed to be bigger than 40 Year Old Virgin.

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The premier home formats are all 16:9 and you can get the same effect via masking - plus if not height limited you get a smaller picture for 1.85:1, 1.66:1,.1.37:1 with CIH.
Except you don't get the same effect. If you setup your theater for a nice, comfortable 16:9 image, then scope films are only 56% as big as their supposed to be. Before I went CIH, putting in an epic scope film was always a let down because instead of being the biggest, most majestic, most immersive thing shown, they were the smallest, least impressive, least immersive. The Star Destroyer flying over your head at the opening of Star Wars is supposed to be massive, even overwhelming, you don't get that in a CIW setup, instead it's cropped down into a little window on your screen, smaller than the talking heads on the news or a silly sitcom.

Scope in a CIH setup is perceptually 77% larger than it is in a CIW setup.

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CIH also prevents proper reproduction of varying aspect ratio movies and may require subtitle repositioning in some cases.
"Proper" is interesting in that phrase, because for the vast majority of those movies, and the vast majority of the folks who watched those movies (ie not in an IMAX) they were shown CIH, and most of them are CIH safe on disc as well, so you can watch them CIH just like you saw them in the theater. That said, if you're really interested in maintaining the "proper" presentation of those films, then they should be larger and wider than your regular 16:9 content, something a CIW setup doesn't do. If you want to do that, you want to think about a CIH+IMAX setup, which is a 16:9 screen, semi-permantently masked to scope, and only opened up of those handful of IMAX films.
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