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Okay... big question... Will the new RS640 allow me to turn off e-shift if the projector is receiving a 4k signal? This is going to be a problem for me if it will not allow this.

I have run into an issue where my new Panasonic UHD player looks like hell (super soft) when outputting 1080p signal. I would prefer to output 4k and not use e-shift (the buzzing vibration noise is way too loud for me and the projector is about 4 ft behind and 4 ft above my head).
You can't turn off eshift on a 4K signal. You can on a 1080p signal but not 4K because it would not be able to display the 4k without eshift and it doesn't down convert.
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Okay... big question... Will the new RS640 allow me to turn off e-shift if the projector is receiving a 4k signal? This is going to be a problem for me if it will not allow this.

I have run into an issue where my new Panasonic UHD player looks like hell (super soft) when outputting 1080p signal. I would prefer to output 4k and not use e-shift (the buzzing vibration noise is way too loud for me and the projector is about 4 ft behind and 4 ft above my head).
Never. That's fundamentally needed to display 4k.

Perhaps your e-shift is faulty? It does not make very much noise on my machine, and mine is 3ft from my head. There is certainly no buzzing on mine. Though have heard of other users reporting loud e-shift. Seems it can vary unit to unit, which makes me think if its too much of an issue you can get yours swapped.
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Just to be clear the loud e-shift is on my current 4910.

Well this sucks. Now I have the added variable of whether a new RS640 will have a loud buzzing e-shift or not. I can have a louder fan with the Sony 385 or buzzing e-shift with the RS640.

It seems that most people state that they can hear e-shift but it is not "that" loud. I can't imagine audio/video perfectionists, like myself, in this forum would be okay with the e-shift noise I hear.

I guess e-shift is too loud for me if I can hear it over the low lamp fan noise without e-shift on.

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I am getting notified of posts via email and then they are not showing up on the forum. There seems to be a lot of this happening.

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Okay... big question... Will the new RS640 allow me to turn off e-shift if the projector is receiving a 4k signal? This is going to be a problem for me if it will not allow this.

I have run into an issue where my new Panasonic UHD player looks like hell (super soft) when outputting 1080p signal. I would prefer to output 4k and not use e-shift (the buzzing vibration noise is way too loud for me and the projector is about 4 ft behind and 4 ft above my head).
E-shift is on, automaticlly if receiving a 4K input. That is the only way the JVC can display a 4K image. You can turn off E-shift for regular BD. Also the E-shift noise should not be loud.
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Okay... big question... Will the new RS640 allow me to turn off e-shift if the projector is receiving a 4k signal? This is going to be a problem for me if it will not allow this.

I have run into an issue where my new Panasonic UHD player looks like hell (super soft) when outputting 1080p signal. I would prefer to output 4k and not use e-shift (the buzzing vibration noise is way too loud for me and the projector is about 4 ft behind and 4 ft above my head).
It's not possible for the projector to receive a UHD or 4K image and have eshift disabled. Downscaling is a relatively easy thing for video processors to do. I haven't tried to output 1080p from a UHD Blu-ray disc on my UB900, but I would double check your settings on the player to be sure there isn't something set incorrectly. It's very odd to hear that the image looks soft.
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Just to be clear the loud e-shift is on my current 4910.



Well this sucks. Now I have the added variable of whether a new RS640 will have a loud buzzing e-shift or not. I can have a louder fan with the Sony 385 or buzzing e-shift with the RS640.



It seems that most people state that they can hear e-shift but it is not "that" loud. I can't imagine audio/video perfectionists, like myself, in this forum would be okay with the e-shift noise I hear.



I guess e-shift is too loud for me if I can hear it over the low lamp fan noise without e-shift on.


Ill see if I can record a realistic eshift noise recording for you, and do it in a way where it should simulate the real perceivable volume.

Eshift adds maybe 1db of noise if that. Its more like the db level is the same it just layers in a different frequency.

High lamp would easily sound twice as loud as low lamp+ eshift would.
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Just to be clear the loud e-shift is on my current 4910.

Well this sucks. Now I have the added variable of whether a new RS640 will have a loud buzzing e-shift or not. I can have a louder fan with the Sony 385 or buzzing e-shift with the RS640.

It seems that most people state that they can hear e-shift but it is not "that" loud. I can't imagine audio/video perfectionists, like myself, in this forum would be okay with the e-shift noise I hear.

I guess e-shift is too loud for me if I can hear it over the low lamp fan noise without e-shift on.
Why do you think the Sony will have a louder fan? Going just by db readings from the manufacturer can be misleading because you don't know at what distance they measure from and the sound varies depending on which speed it needs for cooling.

I would bet that the fan noise on the Sony is very similar to the JVC.
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Why do you think the Sony will have a louder fan? Going just by db readings from the manufacturer can be misleading because you don't know at what distance they measure from and the sound varies depending on which speed it needs for cooling.

I would bet that the fan noise on the Sony is very similar to the JVC.
You have made some great points. There is no industry spec for measuring projector fan noise that I am aware of .

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You have made some great points. There is no industry spec for measuring projector fan noise that I am aware of .
Here you go.

RS620.

Mic is basically right up against right hand side vent if looking into the lens. This is where most of the mechanical noise comes from on the units.

PJ is in low lamp, so compare it to your low lamp and you get an idea how loud the noise is in real life.

I play around with the iris settings.

At 27 seconds I engage e-shift.

turn on and off etc.

Then I go to high lamp etc.. and repeat.

See how much you may think it bugs you. Sorry its not night time here so there is a bit of a noise floor, but when I say the mic is bumped right up against the right vent im not kidding.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3l5gekx5gz...Noise.m4a?dl=0

This is what I used to measure if you wanna know.

http://www.daytonaudio.com/index.php...nt-system.html

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Why do you think the Sony will have a louder fan? Going just by db readings from the manufacturer can be misleading because you don't know at what distance they measure from and the sound varies depending on which speed it needs for cooling.

I would bet that the fan noise on the Sony is very similar to the JVC.
It is. And there is even a similar noise to e-shift permanently on those units too. Like a high frequency squealing whine if you listen near the lens opening it sounds like a mouse crying... Not as audible as e-shift yet still there.

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Here you go.

RS620.

Mic is basically right up against right hand side vent if looking into the lens. This is where most of the mechanical noise comes from on the units.

PJ is in low lamp, so compare it to your low lamp and you get an idea how loud the noise is in real life.

I play around with the iris settings.

At 27 seconds I engage e-shift.

turn on and off etc.

Then I go to high lamp etc.. and repeat.

See how much you may think it bugs you. Sorry its not night time here so there is a bit of a noise floor, but when I say the mic is bumped right up against the right vent im not kidding.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3l5gekx5gz...Noise.m4a?dl=0

This is what I used to measure if you wanna know.

http://www.daytonaudio.com/index.php...nt-system.html

You're welcome
Javs,

That is awesome. Thanks for taking the time to measure and post. It does sound like your e-shift is quieter than mine.

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It is. And there is even a similar noise to e-shift permanently on those units too. Like a high frequency squealing whine if you listen near the lens opening it sounds like a mouse crying... Not as audible as e-shift yet still there.
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Didn't a Sony engineer say Dolby Vision was possibly a firmware upgrade away for the 760ES?
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I read so too.
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Here you go.

RS620.

Mic is basically right up against right hand side vent if looking into the lens. This is where most of the mechanical noise comes from on the units.

PJ is in low lamp, so compare it to your low lamp and you get an idea how loud the noise is in real life.

I play around with the iris settings.

At 27 seconds I engage e-shift.

turn on and off etc.

Then I go to high lamp etc.. and repeat.

See how much you may think it bugs you. Sorry its not night time here so there is a bit of a noise floor, but when I say the mic is bumped right up against the right vent im not kidding.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3l5gekx5gz...Noise.m4a?dl=0

This is what I used to measure if you wanna know.

http://www.daytonaudio.com/index.php...nt-system.html

You're welcome
what are the noises at 13, 15, 18 20 40, 45 secs. Also at other spots throughout. Sounds like something on and off. I really don't hear much of any thing at 27

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what are the noises at 13, 15, 18 20 40, 45 secs. Also at other spots throughout. Sounds like something on and off. I really don't hear much of any thing at 27


I am adjusting iris positions. Those who own JVC are very familiar with that noise so its a bit of a frame of reference really.

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I am adjusting iris positions. Those who own JVC are very familiar with that noise so its a bit of a frame of reference really.
Thanks, I am excited about getting a 640. I currently use a 10 yr old RS1 that was bought from AVS on the first JVC group buy after Cedia 2007.
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That would require Dolby to actually develop a version of DV for projectors, and that seems very unlikely for the foreseeable future.
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I am talking as of right now. Also, I do not know that it would actually be Dolby Vision or some form of it.
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I was part of that group buy too. But I eventually moved on to an RS20 and then RS35. I'm anxiously awaiting the 640 too.
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I was part of that group buy too. But I eventually moved on to an RS20 and then RS35. I'm anxiously awaiting the 640 too.
I was also part of that AVS group buy. Had the 40, 45 and 520 since then. Hoping to get pricing from my dealer on the new models soon as I'm wanting a 540.
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Thanks, I am excited about getting a 640. I currently use a 10 yr old RS1 that was bought from AVS on the first JVC group buy after Cedia 2007.
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I was also in on the RS1, my first projector. I admire your strength of character in holding out this long before upgrading!
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