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Hope it works out for you guys. Chad has so much experience and expertise...especially with JVCs.

It will be worth your money if you're going to be buying one of these projectors if anyone is considering.
In the last couple of years if I am talking to someone about making a projector purchase, I always recommend budgeting in fee to have it calibrated by Chad. It is a no brainer to me, assuming he is in your coverage area.
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In the last couple of years if I am talking to someone about making a projector purchase, I always recommend budgeting in fee to have it calibrated by Chad. It is a no brainer to me, assuming he is in your coverage area.
Chad did a good job on my projector.
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Can someone please point me to a throw calculator for these JVCs? I'm projecting from ~16 feet back and need to fill a 54" tall screen (54" x 127"
= 138" diag. when in widescreen mode.). Also, I assume the lens memory feature will let me switch from 16:9 to 2.35:1 and back without fuss?

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Can someone please point me to a throw calculator for these JVCs? I'm projecting from ~16 feet back and need to fill a 54" tall screen (54" x 127"
= 138" diag. when in widescreen mode.). Also, I assume the lens memory feature will let me switch from 16:9 to 2.35:1 and back without fuss?

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Will this help? http://procision.jvc.com/calculator/index.html

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And that's really probably the problem with JVC (and likely Sony as well), they're still stuck in a mindset from an era where you could release a display product, and there weren't going to be any feature/functionality changes that would affect it for years. I suspect JVC's display team hasn't really caught up to the fact that they're now working in an ever changing world, the RSx00 line is really the first line from JVC that have had this problem with "missing features" that could be easily added via firmware.
I think you got that exactly right.

But this situation does present a new opportunity for JVC, if they were open to considering new possibilities.


[ Lastly, while it may seem unlikely, they may have actually considered this, and decided it would not be either a difficult or expensive thing to do. Exactly as folks here have been commenting. However, taking a longer view, they may see this as shifting customer expectations, and result in a scenario down the road where customers may not understand the true impact of such a request, yet expect it based on how this cycle was handled. So being risk-averse, they may decide to just "play it safe" and pass on it. ]
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Current owner of 620. Banding is not an issue for me. Upgrading to a 640 doesn't seem like it would be worth the effort (selling the 620, uninstalling/installing, etc.) or the expense (640 price minus 620 resell). Anyone come to a different conclusion? Thanks!
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Current owner of 620. Banding is not an issue for me. Upgrading to a 640 doesn't seem like it would be worth the effort (selling the 620, uninstalling/installing, etc.) or the expense (640 price minus 620 resell). Anyone come to a different conclusion? Thanks!
I was thinking about selling my 520 for the 540. Currently, I have the Linker, so the DI function is not important. The bt2020 profiles are free to upload and I already have it. Only thing is eshift 5 and who knows how well that will perform ovet eshift 4. So, the lost to upgrade is not really something that is wise. If I can lose at most $200, maybe I would. But it can be a hassle selling these expensive projectors.
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Chad did a good job on my projector.

I was in Vegas when Chad B was in Rochester doing Mike's machine... i was only 90 min south!! Oh well I will see what he can do the next trip to Central/Southern Tier NY

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I think you got that exactly right.

But this situation does present a new opportunity for JVC, if they were open to considering new possibilities.


[ Lastly, while it may seem unlikely, they may have actually considered this, and decided it would not be either a difficult or expensive thing to do. Exactly as folks here have been commenting. However, taking a longer view, they may see this as shifting customer expectations, and result in a scenario down the road where customers may not understand the true impact of such a request, yet expect it based on how this cycle was handled. So being risk-averse, they may decide to just "play it safe" and pass on it. ]
Maybe JVC's mindset on this will change, once performing a firmware update is simpler and less risk. When all you need is either a USB (like RS4500) or ethernet connection. Keep in mind it was not that many years ago that JVC did not allow owners to even perform firmware updates for fear of bricking projectors.
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Current owner of 620. Banding is not an issue for me. Upgrading to a 640 doesn't seem like it would be worth the effort (selling the 620, uninstalling/installing, etc.) or the expense (640 price minus 620 resell). Anyone come to a different conclusion? Thanks!
I just sold off my X9500....The E-Shift 4 vs E-Shift 5 is what got me interested . the ONLY complaint i have ever had with the X9500 is the "Extra" noise in the video caused by E-Shift 4.
E-Shift 5 apparently almost eliminates this....if this pans out it will be a magnificent image.
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In short, private demo

Only Mike Garrett, Craig Peer, the JVC technical guy plus one other person was in the room and I was able to instruct the JVC guy to change projector settings, switch sources etc... and just to be clear I've not said that the image is 100% perfect... Noise and artefacts still exist, but are very significantly reduced. Did you view the image at a distance of 1 foot and 2 feet away from the projection screen? We did. The most important takeway as far as I am concerned are the facts that the CMD associated banding is cured and the E-SHIFT associated mosquito noise is considerably improved to the extent that it is seemingly now a non-issue. That said, I will only be able to fully confirm the full extent of the improvements once we receive delivery of the RS640/X9900 that we've ordered from JVC and have extended hands-on time with the projector in our AV laboratory and are able to calibrate it ourselves and carry out direct comparisons versus the RS620/X9500 and RS4500/Z1, which we will be doing ASAP

That said, rather than just taking my word for it how about we get some second opinions regarding this... @Mike Garrett , @Kris Deering , and @Craig Peer can you fine gentlemen please kindly comment regarding what is your opinion with respect to whether or not the video image displayed by the RS640/X9900 at CEDIA has improved reduction of E-SHIFT related noise and artefacts as compared with the RS620/X9500 and whether the CMD associated banding issue is or is not still present.
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I agree the image looked cleaner than I remember seeing it on my RS600 and this is with viewing it from a couple feet away and less.
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I hope folks are providing realistic info from typical seating distance when discussing this topic. We see all kinds of anomalies when 2-3 feet away from the screen with any projector.

Watch a clean UHD source like Lucy and put an estimate on the difference you see from seating distance with both projectors in an A/B stack with split source. not noticeable, somewhat noticeable, very noticeable, etc.
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Can someone please point me to a throw calculator for these JVCs? I'm projecting from ~16 feet back and need to fill a 54" tall screen (54" x 127"
= 138" diag. when in widescreen mode.). Also, I assume the lens memory feature will let me switch from 16:9 to 2.35:1 and back without fuss?

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The lens memory does just that. I'm using an RS520 (and used an RS46 before it) on a 51" tall 130" 2.35:1 from ~15'. Works beautifully.

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Current owner of 620. Banding is not an issue for me. Upgrading to a 640 doesn't seem like it would be worth the effort (selling the 620, uninstalling/installing, etc.) or the expense (640 price minus 620 resell). Anyone come to a different conclusion? Thanks!
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I was thinking about selling my 520 for the 540. Currently, I have the Linker, so the DI function is not important. The bt2020 profiles are free to upload and I already have it. Only thing is eshift 5 and who knows how well that will perform ovet eshift 4. So, the lost to upgrade is not really something that is wise. If I can lose at most $200, maybe I would. But it can be a hassle selling these expensive projectors.
I'M making a similar calculation. $100 to ship out my rs520 for the CMD fix + $200 for a linker ... or spend more $$$ to swap to a rs540... The questions really is how much more. Have to wait and see what the AVS deal is on the x40 pre-order.
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I was thinking about selling my 520 for the 540. Currently, I have the Linker, so the DI function is not important. The bt2020 profiles are free to upload and I already have it. Only thing is eshift 5 and who knows how well that will perform ovet eshift 4. So, the lost to upgrade is not really something that is wise. If I can lose at most $200, maybe I would. But it can be a hassle selling these expensive projectors.
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Current owner of 620. Banding is not an issue for me. Upgrading to a 640 doesn't seem like it would be worth the effort (selling the 620, uninstalling/installing, etc.) or the expense (640 price minus 620 resell). Anyone come to a different conclusion? Thanks!
I was all ready to sell my RS600 and try either a new 4K Sony or a JVC RS540/640 as I stated my picture didn't have the pop I wanted. Well several helpful members like Manni, Javs, Zombie, Blee0120, and others pointed out to me that since I had put 1100-1200 hours on my projector since ChadB had fantastically calibrated it I probably had some gamma droop and needed to touch it up. Well, they were right as even with my id3 that probably needs to be recalibrated itself, I used my Lumagen and dialed things in and it made a very noticeable improvement and picture looks fantastic again. I won't be upgrading this year! A touch-up calibration was my upgrade!

For those looking for a great looking transfer that excels on the JVC's, check out the new Scream Factory Collector's Edition of Slither. It has inky blacks with some low APL scenes that just look fantastic. I said "Wow" numerous times while watching it this weekend.

Thanks to all who reminded me to touch it up,
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I was all ready to sell my RS600 and try either a new 4K Sony or a JVC RS540/640 as I stated my picture didn't have the pop I wanted. Well several helpful members like Manni, Javs, Zombie, Blee0120, and others pointed out to me that since I had put 1100-1200 hours on my projector since ChadB had fantastically calibrated it I probably had some gamma droop and needed to touch it up. Well, they were right as even with my id3 that probably needs to be recalibrated itself, I used my Lumagen and dialed things in and it made a very noticeable improvement and picture looks fantastic again. I won't be upgrading this year! A touch-up calibration was my upgrade!

Thanks to all who reminded me to touch it up,
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that is good news and certainly saves a few $$...

The droop definitely will hurt the mid-range and high end pop of the image. The id3 will always be accurate for gamma even if the color drifts a bit.
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that is good news and certainly saves a few $$...

The droop definitely will hurt the mid-range and high end pop of the image. The id3 will always be accurate for gamma even if the color drifts a bit.
I would really love to get you a Lumagen so you could help us get that things setup for optimal performance with these JVCs!
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My JVC 4910, which I believe has the same zoom lens, is 17.5ft lens to screen and works perfectly zooming from 16x9 to 2.40:1. It has never had a problem nailing the focus every time. I can zoom it way bigger than my 118" wide screen but I am not certain about your situation. Mike Garrett on this forum can tell you (and he can sell you a projector for a great price) if you have problems with the online calculator.

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I was all ready to sell my RS600 and try either a new 4K Sony or a JVC RS540/640 as I stated my picture didn't have the pop I wanted. Well several helpful members like Manni, Javs, Zombie, Blee0120, and others pointed out to me that since I had put 1100-1200 hours on my projector since ChadB had fantastically calibrated it I probably had some gamma droop and needed to touch it up. Well, they were right as even with my id3 that probably needs to be recalibrated itself, I used my Lumagen and dialed things in and it made a very noticeable improvement and picture looks fantastic again. I won't be upgrading this year! A touch-up calibration was my upgrade!

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For those that own Lumagens or know about them: I am considering the Radiance Pro but as we move into the world of 4k, other than the Darbee processing (does this even work in 4k?), what benefits would I see on screen ?

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that is good news and certainly saves a few $$...

The droop definitely will hurt the mid-range and high end pop of the image. The id3 will always be accurate for gamma even if the color drifts a bit.
Yeah, I thought everything still seemed perfectly calibrated but the gamma droop was just like y'all said and I didn't even realize it had slowly drifted. I thought I was going to have to send my id3 back to Tom at Chromapure but after I touched it up I almost immediately noticed the mid to high scenes had some pop.

I was all ready to plunk down a bunch of money on a new Sony, which maybe wouldn't have been a totally bad thing but after what all I have watched this weekend and how great it's looked I'm definitely better off until something like the Sony 885 can be had for a whole lot less than its price tag.

I've got until December 2020 until my warranty is up on my RS600, so I can wait a while.

Thanks again for your help/advice,
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For those that own Lumagens or know about them: I am considering the Radiance Pro but as we move into the world of 4k, other than the Darbee processing (does this even work in 4k?), what benefits would I see on screen ?

I've never used a Lumagen, but it's a high end image processor. So it can change about any aspect of the incoming image (gamma, resolution, color values, etc). I don't think it's intended to be an enhancement device like the Darbee. Though it may be able to do that.

I'm mainly posting to answer your second question, in my case my RS520 would show no signal until I bypassed the Darbee. This was with my existing 2K setup (before the new player and cables arrived). So at least in my case, the Darbee did not play well with the 4K projector.

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I would really love to get you a Lumagen so you could help us get that things setup for optimal performance with these JVCs!
I have a lumagen. you can correct gamma droop with either an autocal with the spyder meter or make adjustments with the lumagen and an id3 meter. if it's really off the JVC autocal is the best method since the correction is done internally.

having the VP + ID3 is a great combo because it lets you see if the gamma is drifting to begin with.
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For those that own Lumagens or know about them: I am considering the Radiance Pro but as we move into the world of 4k, other than the Darbee processing (does this even work in 4k?), what benefits would I see on screen ?
I actually own an older Lumagen XD model so all of my references using the Lumagen are just for regular blurays. Sorry I couldn't be more help.

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I have a lumagen. you can correct gamma droop with either an autocal with the spyder meter or make adjustments with the lumagen and an id3 meter. if it's really off the JVC autocal is the best method since the correction is done internally.
I meant a pro, so you could help with the new HDR intensity mapping.
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I meant a pro, so you could help with the new HDR intensity mapping.
I would have considered one if the Arve tool didn't come out but don't really see the need for it at this time. Sony needs it because they don't have any way to fully calibrate the HDR curves without using an external VP, the image director software is long overdue for an update.
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I was all ready to sell my RS600 and try either a new 4K Sony or a JVC RS540/640 as I stated my picture didn't have the pop I wanted. Well several helpful members like Manni, Javs, Zombie, Blee0120, and others pointed out to me that since I had put 1100-1200 hours on my projector since ChadB had fantastically calibrated it I probably had some gamma droop and needed to touch it up. Well, they were right as even with my id3 that probably needs to be recalibrated itself, I used my Lumagen and dialed things in and it made a very noticeable improvement and picture looks fantastic again. I won't be upgrading this year! A touch-up calibration was my upgrade!

For those looking for a great looking transfer that excels on the JVC's, check out the new Scream Factory Collector's Edition of Slither. It has inky blacks with some low APL scenes that just look fantastic. I said "Wow" numerous times while watching it this weekend.

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yep we had a group autocal get together at my place the other week with a few other jvc folk and we spanked my jvc back in line with an autocal. i *think* I m right as well for another year ....

.... famous last words and all that but my X7000 will keep me ticking over ....

ps I also had the RM uhd disc turn up which is good for some fine tuning as well, last time i used was off usb !






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I am probably going to buy an X9900 and flip my X9500.

Unfortunately I wont be able to do a split source shoot-out though, like last time the best I will be able to do is take some controlled reference images and compare them since I will need to flip one before I can get the other, wife's terms

For me, the reduced e-shift video noise and sharper 4k text due to sampling every pixel rather than every other pixel is what is going to put me over the line.
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I am probably going to buy an X9900 and flip my X9500.

Unfortunately I wont be able to do a split source shoot-out though, like last time the best I will be able to do is take some controlled reference images and compare them since I will need to flip one before I can get the other, wife's terms

For me, the reduced e-shift video noise and sharper 4k text due to sampling every pixel rather than every other pixel is what is going to put me over the line.
I would love to hear your thoughts on how eshift 5 performs. Maybe you can take some photos of text before the X9500 leaves and then take a photo of the the same text once you get the X9900? I think a photo like that would speak volumes on how much improvement there is. The noise is something you'll just have to get a subjective take on and report back.
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I have decided that I can't tolerate the e-shift audible noise and I don't want to spend money on another 1080P projector. I am hoping the Sony 385 reviews well or plan B is to wait until next year to buy a 4k JVC (at below $10,000) or an updated Sony 4k.

I am not enjoying this long transition to 4k / HDMI 2.0 / HDR.

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I have decided that I can't tolerate the e-shift vibration and I don't want to spend money on another 1080P projector. I am hoping the Sony 385 reviews well or plan B is to wait until next year to buy a 4k JVC (at below $10,000) or an updated Sony 4k.

I am not enjoying this long transition to 4k / HDMI 2.0 / HDR.
Its a shame you are basing that off a 3 generation old JVC which according to what you have said about it here on the forum, clearly has a faulty and abnormally loud e-shift device.

With all the firepower Audio gear you have in your room (Have you seen the deck guns I have in my room?) I am surprised to hear you so critical of something you arguably have not seen/heard actually working on a current model JVC.

The e-shift noise is pretty much completely non issue.

A JVC RS540 at less cost and substantially more contrast than a Sony 385 is extremely difficult to look past IMO.

Sorry but JVC will not have an under $10k 4K unit for YEARS, hate to burst that bubble, but mark my words.

Buy from AVS and test the unit in less than 4 hours? Exchange if the noise is too much? Is that not something people can do at AVS? I feel like I have read such things. I could be wrong.
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