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Joel, in order to have a 4k solution all pieces need to be in place. Is there a design showing what you would need for this to work.

4k projector, 4k blu-ray player, 4k receiver, what about cables and the screen? Anything else?

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Hello,

Why don´t we have 3D in 4k and/or scaled to 4k in hi end projectors?

Are we going to get 4k 3D soon or until 8k projectors hit the market?

I heard that with 8k, 3D glasses might disappear for a 3D free-glass experience, Is this true?

Also, it seems like a hi end projector looks day and night if it is properly calibrated or just out of the box. Why is there so big a difference?

and Why projectors aren´t calibrated from factory?

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The emergence of mass-market OLED and HDR etc, and the accumulative upkeep cost of projector bulbs has made it ever so slightly but nontheless harder for me to recommend a projector setup over a regular tv.

What are the pieces necessary to enjoy the benefits of HDR?

Do you see any shift in types of entry-level projector light sources any time soon?

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Hello,
With new hdmi specs, Dolby Vision, HDR, WCG implementation ...would you recommend holding off on upgrading upgrading to a 4k projector? I aready have a 4k hdr tv in living room.

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I currently have a BenQ W1070 in a small room (10.5ft x11ft) and a 100 in screen. Because of the limited space, I only have a throwing distance of around 9ft but I still want a 100 in image. This setup works well for me but I plan to upgrade to a better projector soon. However, I haven't found any of the better projectors that can produce 100 in image with the 9ft throwing distance that I have. Everything I've seen from Sony, JVC or some of the better Epson have throwing ratios greater than the 1.2-1.25 range that I am looking for. I'm sure there's a reason for this. I'm just not sure what that is. Could you please offer your thoughts. Thanks in advance.

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I currently have a BenQ W1070 in a small room (10.5ft x11ft) and a 100 in screen. Because of the limited space, I only have a throwing distance of around 9ft but I still want a 100 in image. This setup works well for me but I plan to upgrade to a better projector soon. However, I haven't found any of the better projectors that can produce 100 in image with the 9ft throwing distance that I have. Everything I've seen from Sony, JVC or some of the better Epson have throwing ratios greater than the 1.2-1.25 range that I am looking for. I'm sure there's a reason for this. I'm just not sure what that is. Could you please offer your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
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If I get a high end 75" LED TV for a small basement home theater, would I still gain much from adding a projection system for occasional movie watching?

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Hi Joel,

I'm noticing that screen manufacturers are starting to offer bias lighting kits alongside their nano/zero edge screen offerings lately. I remember back in the early days of digital home projection that contrast ratios were poor enough to justify looking at bias lighting solutions. In today's age of high contrast projectors, is there really any benefit to adding one of those kits beyond just having blingy lights around your screen, or are there still good reasons to do it? Would you contrast (pun intended) that approach with going the full batcave route in terms of image quality and perceived contrast?
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Hi Joel,

I'm noticing that screen manufacturers are starting to offer bias lighting kits alongside their nano/zero edge screen offerings lately. I remember back in the early days of digital home projection that contrast ratios were poor enough to justify looking at bias lighting solutions. In today's age of high contrast projectors, is there really any benefit to adding one of those kits beyond just having blingy lights around your screen, or are there still good reasons to do it? Would you contrast (pun intended) that approach with going the full batcave route in terms of image quality and perceived contrast?
I second this question. I have heard people say that it is a good idea in a bat cave and that it's not a good idea.
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I have never watched a projector before and I was wondering if they have motion blur like I see with my oled because of to sample and hold. Do projectors utilize black frame insertion? or do they not need it.
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Is Dolby Vision for consumer home projectors anywhere on the horizon?
No.

And the payoff is never certain: Some observers contend that a generation has already been trained to be content with the small screen.

Some servers can do non-encrypted playback to an A/V projector, but it's just a ridiculously expensive media player if you don't have a cinema projector.
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Hello,

Why don´t we have 3D in 4k and/or scaled to 4k in hi end projectors? The current Blu-Ray format will not allow it and more important not one, NOT ONE production company has made a 4K-3D movie. That is why.

Are we going to get 4k 3D soon or until 8k projectors hit the market? Read the answer above.

I heard that with 8k, 3D glasses might disappear for a 3D free-glass experience, Is this true? Will be years before it shows up in a consumer projector.

Also, it seems like a hi end projector looks day and night if it is properly calibrated or just out of the box. Why is there so big a difference? Are you serious?

and Why projectors aren´t calibrated from the factory? The factory does not know what you plan to use the projector for or what environment it will operate in, therefore you need to have it calibrated according to YOUR tastes.

And the payoff is never certain: Some observers contend that a generation has already been trained to be content with the small screen.

Some servers can do non-encrypted playback to an A/V projector, but it's just a ridiculously expensive media player if you don't have a cinema projector.
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I heard a while back (on a video interview on this site) that projectors won't get HDR because they inherently won't be able to produce the image. I think it was due to things out of the projector's control like the screen and ambient lighting. We're seeing projectors with HDR now though, so what I'd like to know is how the HDR in projectors compares to the HDR in TVs.
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Do you think that modular systems (e.g. cubes) will take over much of the front projector market anytime soon? Are they able to keep the calibrations close enough to make the seams invisible?

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Did 4K end Affordable Native Projection for most companies?

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Sony seems to be the only company so far with native 4k projection products under the 5 digit price range.
Others are faking 4K in the electronics (LCoS), or on the chip (DMD).
How did Sony beat the competition and
Will we see native 4k projectors in the $5,000 range anytime soon to compete with direct view?
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Funny

Has anyone seen any of the short throw projectors and think that they have the performance, or will eventually have the performance of a high end HT projector?
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Has anyone seen any of the short throw projectors and think that they have the performance, or will eventually have the performance of a high end HT projector?
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I have seen the Sony and the Sim2 units. Both threw very nice images. Was surprised that I did not see artifacts in the corners, due to the lens. Image looked very good. I think 120" is the largest you can go with these systems right now.
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I am using an Epson 6030 projector with a Panamorph lens to project to my 120 inch 2.35:1 screen. Can I project to my 120 inch screen using a Sony projector without the Panamorph lens?
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Why is there such a delay with 4k native projection? LCDs have gone mainstream with 4k and projectors still haven't caught up. I would think people like epson would be able to use a lot of the panel technology for LCD projection.
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Do you really need a screen for your projector ???

I have been happily using my off-white living room wall as a screen for a number of years. It seems to be a great screen for my Epson 5030 projector. Just to compare, I placed my 7 foot square Da-Lite screen in front of my theater cabinet to see if there was an improvement. To my eyes and my wife's, there isn't any difference. Am I missing something? Now, the room must be dark, but I would need to do that with a screen anyway... Your thoughts...
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I have over 100 3D movies and the Panasonic 8000. When it was new, the 3D looked great and there was no apparent ghosting on most of the movies. The projector is now about 4 years old, on its second bulb ( over 2000 hours) and all the 3D movies have really annoying ghosting. I have set everything back to default but that didn't help. Any reason for this and anything I can do?
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I'm curious about which light source you think will become the de-facto choice for affordable projectors in the future. Will it be LCD, or laser? I dislike the notion of having to change an expensive bulb regularly and want to wait until there are a few more choices with these alternative light sources.

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I am using an Epson 6030 projector with a Panamorph lens to project to my 120 inch 2.35:1 screen. Can I project to my 120 inch screen using a Sony projector without the Panamorph lens?
Yes and no answer. Depends if you want to do this manually or by push of the button. Then it also depends on where you have the projector mounted. The throw range is much more limited, when using zoom to fill a 2.35 screen and do CIH. If you want more specifics, need to take it out of this forum, so shoot me a PM.
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Yes and no answer. Depends if you want to do this manually or by push of the button. Then it also depends on where you have the projector mounted. The throw range is much more limited, when using zoom to fill a 2.35 screen and do CIH. If you want more specifics, need to take it out of this forum, so shoot me a PM.
I would like to do it with the push of a button. My projector is mounted and recessed in a soffit in the ceiling. It is about 12-13 ft from the screen. I'll shoot you a PM. I take it the tilt/shift feature of a Sony projector may not be enough.
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JVC projector for a dedicated theater room

Is a JVC DLA 4K eShif 570R to low a level to buy as this will go in new construction and be the mainstay for 10 years. Or is there a better projector for 4K
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I would like to do it with the push of a button. My projector is mounted and recessed in a soffit in the ceiling. It is about 12-13 ft from the screen. I'll shoot you a PM. I take it the tilt/shift feature of a Sony projector may not be enough.
To get lens memory, you need to be looking at a VW675. Also is your screen 120" diagonal or width 2.35? If 120" diagonal 2.35, you need around 12'-6" with the Sony. Also need to know the vertical distance from top of image to lens center. You can provide top of image to the shelf. If the VW675 is out of budget, you can look at:

Epson 5040
Epson LS 10000
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Any of the JVC 400, 420, 500, 520, 600 or 620.

We really need to take this to PM.
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I have been thinking about an projector in my home theater, but the price vs quality is stopping me. Is Dolby Vision coming to projectors soon? Will we have large wallpaper OLED screens in our homes in the near future? Will it replace the projectors if it comes in bigger sizes at lower prices?

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When should we see reasonably price, good performing 4K projectors?

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