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FYI BenQ's cheaper HT9060/X12000H HLD LED lens is similarly impressively free of CA/color fringing artifacts; though while still razor sharp it's not quite as sharp on the pixel level as this LK shot indicates.
I have got to stop reading this thread.....lol. But what is CA.



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U dont have to, with Madvr tonemapping its same in every movie, u just use that or panasonic tone mapping, i was saying with Dave's settings it needs some tinkering sometimes for different movies, not every other movie, i linked some pics with madvr tonemapping in my last post and that is how it looks for all content.
Also its just a matter of changing brightness if u see the movie is crushing details, i have 2 presets with dave settings which worked for 50+ movies so far except deadpool 2.
99.9% out there do not use MadVR.
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U dont have to, with Madvr tonemapping its same in every movie, u just use that or panasonic tone mapping, i was saying with Dave's settings it needs some tinkering sometimes for different movies, not every other movie, i linked some pics with madvr tonemapping in my last post and that is how it looks for all content.
Also its just a matter of changing brightness if u see the movie is crushing details, i have 2 presets with dave settings which worked for 50+ movies so far except deadpool 2.
99.9% out there do not use MadVR.
What do u use as tone mapping for HDR mike ?
Whatever it is use that and ur good
And again for the 3rd time its a matter of changing brightness/contrast with Dave's settings if the movie is darker than others, once u do a full CMS sweep the colors are natural accros the board.
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But to set it up, you would have had to view the movie already, because it looks like it is an adjustment based on visual inspection of the movie. So how is automation going to help you, when you get a new movie and are ready to view it the first time?
Get a new movie, rip it to disk, spend 2 minutes scanning a little to make sure it ripped correctly and at that time you make those adjustments such as which video profile to use on the projector, and the audio settings. Lots of disney movies, for example, require +6db of sub, +6db of rear and surround channels. So that's configured at that time its very fast to do. Then when its time to watch, all that stuff happens automatically.

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I will be getting my LK970 on Tuesday. I will use my Radiance Pro for tone mapping, and my Epson LS10000 for SDR. I recently sold my RS640 after having it for 15 months, and kept the LS10000 which we preferred. I will soon have this 2 projector setup and we'll see how it goes. I switch between 2 screens: a 128" diag HP2.8 16:9 screen and a 138" diag 2.35 1.3 screen. I will use an A lens on a sled in front of the LK970.
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Get a new movie, rip it to disk, spend 2 minutes scanning a little to make sure it ripped correctly and at that time you make those adjustments such as which video profile to use on the projector, and the audio settings. Lots of disney movies, for example, require +6db of sub, +6db of rear and surround channels. So that's configured at that time its very fast to do. Then when its time to watch, all that stuff happens automatically.
Thats is what i am saying mark, i dont know why mike is making it out to be like something so unusual, the new JVC's has the tone mapping slider also which u can set to ur liking depends on the movie and we all know not all movies report the right stats so some adjusting is required sometimes.
And all i said is adjusting brightness ONLY with dave's setting to some specific movie which takes 3 sec...

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Thats is what i am saying mark, i dont know why mike is making it out to be like something so unusual, the new JVC's has the tone mapping slider also which u can set to ur liking depends on the movie and we all know not all movies report the right stats so some adjusting is required sometimes.
And all i said is adjusting brightness ONLY with dave's setting to some specific movie which takes 3 sec...
I am just saying, I do not adjust my current setup on a movie by movie basis and I will not be doing that on my next setup either. I may not get the most optimized image, but I want set and forget. I currently tone map with an Oppo. I know the limitations on the Oppo, but I do not have to adjust per movie. I would use a Panasonic, but I need the vertical stretch the Oppo offers.
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Thats is what i am saying mark, i dont know why mike is making it out to be like something so unusual, the new JVC's has the tone mapping slider also which u can set to ur liking depends on the movie and we all know not all movies report the right stats so some adjusting is required sometimes.
And all i said is adjusting brightness ONLY with dave's setting to some specific movie which takes 3 sec...
I am just saying, I do not adjust my current setup on a movie by movie basis and I will not be doing that on my next setup either. I may not get the most optimized image, but I want set and forget.
Yes mike i understand that is ur preference, for me i like to have the most optimized image possible , for others they might set it and leave and its totally fine.
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Apologies for diversion: If any one is selling a BenQ LK 970 used, please PM me. I posted a WTB in classified.

Hi hours is fine. It seems like an amazing value. Frankly, I want to try it out and probably sell it if I am not thrilled with it. Hence I want to buy used rather than buy new and return it.

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"Better contrast"? Those star field photos projected by the LK970 looked horrible to me, in terms of contrast/black levels I'm used to.



Also, the LK's processor-laser transitioning seems very color-sensitive to the source data. While I noticed the 970 wasn't showing any hint of clipping as did the Z1's images at times, it went from having a slightly green cast (e.g. first pic set) to showing sunburned red (Jumanji pics).



The LK 970's sharpness, however, looks amazing. The Z1's photos consistently looked de-focused in comparison.



Now I really don't know what to make of it until I see it in person I guess.
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Not interested in tweaking per movie. That is not how I use my projector. With my current projector, I could probably improve things, tweaking per movie, but not willing to do that.



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Also is this something where you are watching the movie, get part way through it, see a problem and then stop movie to adjust?
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I am just saying, I do not adjust my current setup on a movie by movie basis and I will not be doing that on my next setup either. I may not get the most optimized image, but I want set and forget. I currently tone map with an Oppo. I know the limitations on the Oppo, but I do not have to adjust per movie. I would use a Panasonic, but I need the vertical stretch the Oppo offers.

Please stop making mountains out of mole hills, Mike. It seems no matter how many praises this model gets, you constantly pop in here with one nit pick insignificant thing after another. It’s getting close to trolling and getting annoying really.

I can’t remember the last time I had to stop the movie and “fix something”. The colors are always spot on, if anything that’s one of its biggest strengths if you ask me. Flesh tones are so realistic, which really explains the entire image. I haven’t even had to fix brightness like tnaik4 is saying.

This has been one of the most set and forget projectors I’ve ever had actually, once dialed in. No gamma droop, no lens drift, no panel degradation, no real lamp dimming over time, etc.


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Yes. What about it? The fact is I recently called BenQ direct and asked for a demo and the rep there said no that I had to purchase it first. I would have paid for shipping both ways to demo. So I have no idea how the fellow you were speaking with accomplished that.



If you have some specifics on how I can do it or whom to contact, I think that would be more helpful.

Sorry yes, you have to purchase it first, but they aren’t going to just ship someone a $13K MSRP projector, hoping you’ll send it back “because you’re a nice guy”, haha.

Here is where to get one:

https://www.benqb2b.com

I just read someone who posted about the HT9060 he returned that said they send a Ground shipping label to send back on their dime. I recall them doing the same for me as well. I’m not sure if you do or don’t pay for shipping to you, but that’s a very small price to pay for having a 30 day in home demo if you’re buying a large important purchase such as this. I think they have the best deal in the industry.
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Please stop making mountains out of mole hills, Mike. It seems no matter how many praises this model gets, you constantly pop in here with one nit pick insignificant thing after another. It’s getting close to trolling and getting annoying really.

I can’t remember the last time I had to stop the movie and “fix something”. The colors are always spot on, if anything that’s one of its biggest strengths if you ask me. Flesh tones are so realistic, which really explains the entire image. I haven’t even had to fix brightness like tnaik4 is saying.

This has been one of the most set and forget projectors I’ve ever had actually, once dialed in. No gamma droop, no lens drift, no panel degradation, no real lamp dimming over time, etc.





Sorry yes, you have to purchase it first, but they aren’t going to just ship someone a $13K MSRP projector, hoping you’ll send it back “because you’re a nice guy”, haha.

Here is where to get one:

https://www.benqb2b.com

I just read someone who posted about the HT9060 he returned that said they send a Ground shipping label to send back on their dime. I recall them doing the same for me as well. I’m not sure if you do or don’t pay for shipping to you, but that’s a very small price to pay for having a 30 day in home demo if you’re buying a large important purchase such as this. I think they have the best deal in the industry.
I am not making mountains out of mole hills. I stated my preference, not yours or anybody else's. I can't and I do not want to have to be there, everytime one of my family members wants to use my system. Moving from RS4500 to RS640, meant using the Oppo for HDR tone mapping, it does not automaticlly go to HDR and it is a pain in the ***. I want to get back like I had it with my RS4500. Pop in a movie and play it.
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Aztar i noticed Dave settings are dependant sometimes on the movie and how is it mastered, some movies i can go to 45 brightness and others i have to go to 49-50 or ill be crushing alot. Also Deadpool 2 didnt look good at all no matter what i tweaked unless i switch to Madvr tone mapping to rec709 or dci-p3 thats where it looks excellent.
So what ur seeinf depends really which tone mapping method u use, in madvr its the same in all content, with harpervision u have sometimes to tweak for different movies.
This is some pics of Aquaman i took while watching the movie so it was in motion not still pictures, u can see how when properly calibrated its very natural.
Dont mind the clipping due to the camera.
hey tnailk4, did you get the UHD bluray of Aquaman? This UHD bluray will be released on March 26 in the US.
Or did you watch it on Apple TV? I know some contents release on Apple TV sooner than the bluray.
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Woofer, excellent work! Your pics and your opinions made me more excited while waiting for the delivery of my LK970. I am now regretting that I did not choose overnight shipping.
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Please stop making mountains out of mole hills, Mike. It seems no matter how many praises this model gets, you constantly pop in here with one nit pick insignificant thing after another. It’s getting close to trolling and getting annoying really.

I can’t remember the last time I had to stop the movie and “fix something”. The colors are always spot on, if anything that’s one of its biggest strengths if you ask me. Flesh tones are so realistic, which really explains the entire image. I haven’t even had to fix brightness like tnaik4 is saying.
Dave i adjust brightness sometimes like in black panther with woofer picture it needed couple of ticks up but for alot of people it can be set and forget. Colors are excellent and stable and its set and forget once u calibrate them.
But to be completely honest it feel like its just nit picking now, i dont know how adjusting brightness from time to time to have optimal picture which u can also ignore completely if u want is an issue lol, really with all the excellent qualities that even more people are seeing now with this projector some just wanna see the negative, heck i have a JVC too and i love it and still use it but it also needs tweaking from time to time for different content to have optimal quality.

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This has been one of the most set and forget projectors I’ve ever had actually, once dialed in. No gamma droop, no lens drift, no panel degradation, no real lamp dimming over time, etc.
That sounds impressive and the lens seems to be a winner. If you do want to adjust gamma or if it does droop a bit down the line can you adjust it? If so, how many points? Thanks.
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Please stop making mountains out of mole hills, Mike. It seems no matter how many praises this model gets, you constantly pop in here with one nit pick insignificant thing after another. It’s getting close to trolling and getting annoying really.

I can’t remember the last time I had to stop the movie and “fix something”. The colors are always spot on, if anything that’s one of its biggest strengths if you ask me. Flesh tones are so realistic, which really explains the entire image. I haven’t even had to fix brightness like tnaik4 is saying.
Dave i adjust brightness sometimes like in black panther with woofer picture it needed couple of ticks up but for alot of people it can be set and forget. Colors are excellent and stable and its set and forget once u calibrate them.
But to be completely honest it feel like its just nit picking now, i dont know how adjusting brightness from time to time to have optimal picture which u can also ignore completely if u want is an issue lol, really with all the excellent qualities that even more people are seeing now with this projector some just wanna see the negative, heck i have a JVC too and i love it and still use it but it also needs tweaking from time to time for different content to have optimal quality.
It would be nice to just be able to watch an HDR title with no tweaking however it does need to happen on occasion.

I have the X790 and depending on the movie I may need to tweak it a bit. I just watched Aquaman and I had to dial down the brigtness as it was blinding me.

Now I can’t remember the last time I had to adjust an SDR title as it is a definite set it and forget it. HDR is still very new and one day it will be the same as SDR and there will be no tweaking required.
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The 5th set of photos shows the dramatic difference in contrast. I'm only interested in seeing those types of photos. DLP can throw a nice picture when the image is bright - nothing new there. The 5th set shows how bad DLP looks on really dark scenes. Nothing new there either. In home theater projection - those low APL dark scenes are " the money shots ". But if someone has a light colored room and a really big screen, this projector is probably going to be the best they can get picture wise, over all.
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Please stop making mountains out of mole hills, Mike. It seems no matter how many praises this model gets, you constantly pop in here with one nit pick insignificant thing after another. It’s getting close to trolling and getting annoying really.

I can’t remember the last time I had to stop the movie and “fix something”. The colors are always spot on, if anything that’s one of its biggest strengths if you ask me. Flesh tones are so realistic, which really explains the entire image. I haven’t even had to fix brightness like tnaik4 is saying.
Dave i adjust brightness sometimes like in black panther with woofer picture it needed couple of ticks up but for alot of people it can be set and forget. Colors are excellent and stable and its set and forget once u calibrate them.
But to be completely honest it feel like its just nit picking now, i dont know how adjusting brightness from time to time to have optimal picture which u can also ignore completely if u want is an issue lol, really with all the excellent qualities that even more people are seeing now with this projector some just wanna see the negative, heck i have a JVC too and i love it and still use it but it also needs tweaking from time to time for different content to have optimal quality.
It would be nice to just be able to watch an HDR title with no tweaking however it does need to happen on occasion.

I have the X790 and depending on the movie I may need to tweak it a bit. I just watched Aquaman and I had to dial down the brigtness as it was blinding me.

Now I can’t remember the last time I had to adjust an SDR title as it is a definite set it and forget it. HDR is still very new and one day it will be the same as SDR and there will be no tweaking required.
We r definitely talking about HDR.

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The Z1 screen shots look like you are blowing out the whites compared to the BenQ. it's easy to see on the screen shots of Mark Hamill in Kingsman - going back and forth to the BenQ shot makes it pretty obvious. You might need to adjust the Z1's calibration, or your camera is overexposing the shots. Not sure which. That is a really bright movie though.
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The Z1 screen shots look like you are blowing out the whites compared to the BenQ. it's easy to see on the screen shots of Mark Hamill in Kingsman - going back and forth to the BenQ shot makes it pretty obvious. You might need to adjust the Z1's calibration, or your camera is overexposing the shots. Not sure which. That is a really bright movie though.
IMO photos are not that useful for anything but pixel structure. Everything else (color, contrast, brightness) goes through so much processing and will be peceptually skewed via a photo. Worth seeing in person instead, benq allows for 30 day in home trial if you buy direct, pay the MSRP of the PJ upfront, then get refund on return.
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IMO photos are not that useful for anything but pixel structure. Everything else (color, contrast, brightness) goes through so much processing and will be peceptually skewed via a photo. Worth seeing in person instead, benq allows for 30 day in home trial if you buy direct, pay the MSRP of the PJ upfront, then get refund on return.
Agreed about the screen shots. That is a good deal, but with folks buying, trying, returning it and then buying it at discount elsewhere if they like it, BenQ will have a lot of open box / b stock units in short order !
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Agreed about the screen shots. That is a good deal, but with folks buying, trying, returning it and then buying it at discount elsewhere if they like it, BenQ will have a lot of open box / b stock units in short order !

More for me !
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or your camera is overexposing the shots. Not sure which. That is a really bright movie though.
Craig, already stated several times....the pics are in "indication" as to what is on screen.... My Z1 is fine thanks.
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Well, that's been the problem with DLP for 17 years, with a few exceptions. Nothing new there. Come to Cedia - we will show you lots of DLP projectors that look great with bright scenes, and suck with dark scenes. 20,000 lumen laser ones even !
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Dylan went back and took a second look at the LK990. He also calibrated the 990. The info is not on this forum. LK990 owner is returning the projector.
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Dylan went back and took a second look at the LK990. He also calibrated the 990. The info is not on this forum. LK990 owner is returning the projector.
No surprise here.
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You know, I've decided that if this projector meets other peoples needs, even though it doesn't meet my needs, that's totally cool. Different strokes for different folks.
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You know, I've decided that if this projector meets other peoples needs, even though it doesn't meet my needs, that's totally cool. Different strokes for different folks.
Very true Craig.

Its easy to lose perspective. Like myself; I can see RBE so easily that ill discount single chippers right away. Id actually really like to demo one of these. Id like to see if the sped up color wheel keeps me from seeing RBE but Im doubting so.
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Dylan went back and took a second look at the LK990. He also calibrated the 990. The info is not on this forum. LK990 owner is returning the projector.
Actually, CK had invited me to the second event, but due to its scheduled time, I couldn't make it.

The LK990 is even brighter than the LK970. People don't always need all that brightness.
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Dylan went back and took a second look at the LK990. He also calibrated the 990. The info is not on this forum. LK990 owner is returning the projector.

Not trying to be negative or smart arse, but not sure what someone else does in another forum about the LK990 has to do with this thread about the LK970. They are different projectors. Woofer has posted his thoughts as well as pictures of the LK970 and I tend to listen to what his thoughts are on this projector, especially after reading his post and seeing his pics of various "dark" scenes on that projector compared to the RS4500.
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