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Not trying to be negative or smart arse, but not sure what someone else does in another forum about the LK990 has to do with this thread about the LK970. They are different projectors. Woofer has posted his thoughts as well as pictures of the LK970 and I tend to listen to what his thoughts are on this projector, especially after reading his post and seeing his pics of various "dark" scenes on that projector compared to the RS4500.
Agreed. My friend saw those photos and canceled his nx7 preorder and is getting this. He has a 185" screen and watches sports a lot and plays games. Watches tons of tv shows. Hardly any movies. Seems like a perfect fit.

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You know, I've decided that if this projector meets other peoples needs, even though it doesn't meet my needs, that's totally cool. Different strokes for different folks.
Lol, Craig. You're spelling it out now? You've always been pretty polite here, so I'm guessing you've always believed that.
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Lol, Craig. You're spelling it out now? You've always been pretty polite here, so I'm guessing you've always believed that.
I'm watching " Green Book " on 4K BR in about 40 minutes with 6 friends. Whatever projector you watch movies etc. on, have a great Friday night ! Now where is my corkscrew................
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Agreed. My friend saw those photos and canceled his nx7 preorder and is getting this. He has a 185" screen and watches sports a lot and plays games. Watches tons of tv shows. Hardly any movies. Seems like a perfect fit.
mark for 185inch screen this should be no brainer , wouldnt the n7 be very dim for such a huge screen ?

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Agreed. My friend saw those photos and canceled his nx7 preorder and is getting this. He has a 185" screen and watches sports a lot and plays games. Watches tons of tv shows. Hardly any movies. Seems like a perfect fit.

I see that there IS a difference in low APL scenes (I' no expert so please forgive me if I stated that incorrectly) but it was close or at least close enough to make me stand up and notice. For your friend, or someone that has those watching habits, it makes perfect sense. There are definitely pros and cons to this projector, but for Woofer to really like the image and state so, that actually carries more weight than even his pictures. Unless I am reading more into his post than what he meant. I guess he can correct me if I am wrong.
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mark for 185inch screen this should be no brainer , wouldnt the n7 be very dim for such a huge screen ?
Yes, but he currently has an RS500 so the N7 is same brightness as that. I agree this is a no brainer for his useage and screen size.
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Not trying to be negative or smart arse, but not sure what someone else does in another forum about the LK990 has to do with this thread about the LK970. They are different projectors. Woofer has posted his thoughts as well as pictures of the LK970 and I tend to listen to what his thoughts are on this projector, especially after reading his post and seeing his pics of various "dark" scenes on that projector compared to the RS4500.
Sorry, I go back and forth between several threads with a couple of windows open. Thought I was in the LK990 thread.
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You know, I've decided that if this projector meets other peoples needs, even though it doesn't meet my needs, that's totally cool. Different strokes for different folks.
Yes Craig, thats the point..

Something else to consider also is screen size ... my screen is a 143" scope( 150" 16:9) ..that is the maximum size i would be comfortable using with the Z1.

Eventually in the not to distant future i want to run a 170" 16:9..... My Z1 has got "Buckley's" of effectively lighting this up.

When i auditioned the Sony 5000ES on 180" screen, i came home and my screen looked positively "Tiny"!!

At this moment there are very few options IF you want to run a larger sized screen.

The other thing with larger screens is "Sharpness" becomes even more obvious and important .
On small screens ..110-120" ALL projectors tend to look more or less equally "Sharp" ...as the screen size increases you really DO notice some rather prominent differences sharpness wise in the different projectors.

Take my X9900 for example.....project a small 110-120" screen...it looks quite sharp and respectable .... even in relation to my Z1.
Project onto my 143" Scope ( 150" 16:9 ) and the difference is huge! .

Take the LK970 , using it on a small 110-120" screen would be an utter waste....too bright, and it cant stretch its legs with is brilliant sharpness. On my screen size it pulls ahead of my Z1 substantially ( sharpness wise) .

I imagine on a 170"+ screen the difference between my Z1 and the LK970 would be even more apparent.

The Sony 5000ES is another projector that i respect....on a small screen below 140" i prefer my Z1, BUT any larger i would take the the 5000ES ( even with its noticeable contrast loss) over my Z1.

The LK970 while NOT having anywhere near the contrast of the 5000ES , does provide a similar light output at a fraction of the price of the 5000ES, so it makes lighting up a Large screen a 'Reality" instead of a "Fantasy" for a lot of people.

From what i have seen of the 5000ES , the LK970 is Noticeably sharper ( just like in the case of the LK970 vs my Z1 ) .

So yes, "horses for courses" !
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I'm watching " Green Book " on 4K BR in about 40 minutes with 6 friends. Whatever projector you watch movies etc. on, have a great Friday night ! Now where is my corkscrew................



Craig, you own a RS4500. You drink wine that easily cost over $200 a bottle. What are you doing post in this forum?? Shouldn't a rich man like you be posting in the Forbes Magazine forum?? Just kidding!!! Enjoy your movies...you lousy rich bas#&^%. Can we cuss on this forum?
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Agreed. My friend saw those photos and canceled his nx7 preorder and is getting this. He has a 185" screen and watches sports a lot and plays games. Watches tons of tv shows. Hardly any movies. Seems like a perfect fit.
Unless the 185" screen had a lot of gain, the RS2000 is the wrong projector for that screen, as was the RS500 he had. The LK970 definitely would be a better choice, especially since sports viewing is a large part of his viewing.
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Agreed. My friend saw those photos and canceled his nx7 preorder and is getting this. He has a 185" screen and watches sports a lot and plays games. Watches tons of tv shows. Hardly any movies. Seems like a perfect fit.
Mark , with the parameters you state, i will lay money that your mate will LOVE the LK970!
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I see that there IS a difference in low APL scenes (I' no expert so please forgive me if I stated that incorrectly) but it was close or at least close enough to make me stand up and notice. For your friend, or someone that has those watching habits, it makes perfect sense. There are definitely pros and cons to this projector, but for Woofer to really like the image and state so, that actually carries more weight than even his pictures. Unless I am reading more into his post than what he meant. I guess he can correct me if I am wrong.
...not only that, Silver, but there was some word in passing that he may even replace his Z1 with it. I'm trying to get a grasp of all this. So, if Woofer is considering the LK970 after owning the RS4500 that speaks loud and clear to how good he sees it.

When Woofer talks, I listen. I said this before... If Woofer said the projector was a ham sandwich, I'd say pass the mustard. Or, if Woofer said the RS4500 was king, I would get one.
If Woofer said buy only JVCs, I would do that. ..you get the idea.
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I'm watching " Green Book " on 4K BR in about 40 minutes with 6 friends. Whatever projector you watch movies etc. on, have a great Friday night ! Now where is my corkscrew................
Really enjoyed that movie.
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Sorry, I go back and forth between several threads with a couple of windows open. Thought I was in the LK990 thread.

No worries, I get lost clicking from one thread to another. They all seem to look the same after 4 straight hours of following these posts...urgh
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Mark , with the parameters you state, i will lay money that your mate will LOVE the LK970!
Oh, there you are.

Come on, Woofer. On the LK970...let's have it. Is it Yay or Nay?
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Oh, there you are.

Come on, Woofer. On the LK970...let's have it. Is it Yay or Nay?
Sounds like a strong "Yay" if you're ok with its limitations which are poor black performance on low APL scenes.


I'm hoping that since I'll only be seeing it at my friend's place not side by side with my RS4500 that it won't give me reason not to like my RS4500. My guess is I'll be fine since it's not side by side in my room and that my friend's screen is so massive that the brightness won't seem so much different due to his screen being so massive.

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Sounds like a strong "Yay" if you're ok with its limitations which are poor black performance on low APL scenes.


I'm hoping that since I'll only be seeing it at my friend's place not side by side with my RS4500 that it won't give me reason not to like my RS4500. My guess is I'll be fine since it's not side by side in my room and that my friend's screen is so massive that the brightness won't seem so much different due to his screen being so massive.
They're so cheap here in the 'States; did you ever think about having both. I know you do video gaming. The LK would likely look incredible for that. I thought someone said 35ms lag?
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...not only that, Silver, but there was some word in passing that he may even replace his Z1 with it. I'm trying to get a grasp of all this. So, if Woofer is considering the LK970 after owning the RS4500 that speaks loud and clear to how good he sees it.

When Woofer talks, I listen. I said this before... If Woofer said the projector was a ham sandwich, I'd say pass the mustard. Or, if Woofer said the RS4500 was king, I would get one.
If Woofer said buy only JVCs, I would do that. ..you get the idea.

Sorry this is where I totally disagree with you.....If Woofer said the projector was a ham sandwich, I'd say pass the mayo!!...Why do you prefer mustard? Sorry wanted to be the first to derail this thread like so many have done to other threads! But seriously, I get exactly what you are saying.
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...not only that, Silver, but there was some word in passing that he may even replace his Z1 with it.

@Aztar35 I wouldnt replace my Z1 , for a few reasons ...one being that a sale of a used Z1 here in Aus would have me loose a "Substantial" amount on what i paid for it NEW ( $40K here in Aus ) It only has 600hrs on it so it just seems pointless to loose so much money....

Same reason i kept my X9900.......purchased it NEW and its basically worth "Stuff all" to sell used. .

I Would/Will " Gladly" run an LK970/990 in conjunction with with my Z1..... because YES i really do like the LK970.
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@Aztar35 I wouldnt replace my Z1 , for a few reasons ...one being that a sale of a used Z1 here in Aus would have me loose a "Substantial" amount on what i paid for it NEW ( $40K here in Aus ) It only has 600hrs on it so it just seems pointless to loose so much money....

Same reason i kept my X9900.......purchased it NEW and its basically worth "Stuff all" to sell used. .

I Would/Will " Gladly" run an LK970/990 in conjunction with with my Z1..... because YES i really do like the LK970.

If that is the main reason for not replacing your Z1, that says a lot on how you feel about the LK970. Now if someone offered you full price for your Z1??? "Wait don't answer that, we are being watched" (he says in a nervous whisper)
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Woofer, you mentioned screen sizes. I was in the verge of ordering a 970 or 990 for a 125” diagonal 16:9 screen. If I do I was going to get a Seymour MBw .9 screen as I thought that would pair well. My other choice was a NX7 on a 1.3 screen. Reason I was leaning LX is I watch a lot of sports and tv with windows open preferably, so ambient light (not direct into room) and watch movies maybe only 40% of the time.

Do you think I’m making a mistake and it’s going to be too bright when I close windows (I have dark room otherwise) for movies? I can take a lower black floor than most on here.

Anyone else I’d be interested to hear feom you too. And sorry that I asked a similar question before but was hoping to get Woofers response.
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They're so cheap here in the 'States; did you ever think about having both. I know you do video gaming. The LK would likely look incredible for that. I thought someone said 35ms lag?
35ms sounds low for an XPR projector. Dylan measured 64.5ms on the 990. I know it is a different projector, but I do not know the lag on the 970. Only offered as a reference.
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reason not to like my RS4500.
Mark, as you know....there are very FEW reasons not to like the Z1/RS4500.
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Woofer, you mentioned screen sizes. I was in the verge of ordering a 970 or 990 for a 125” diagonal 16:9 screen. If I do I was going to get a Seymour MBw .9 screen as I thought that would pair well. My other choice was a NX7 on a 1.3 screen. Reason I was leaning LX is I watch a lot of sports and tv with windows open preferably, so ambient light (not direct into room) and watch movies maybe only 40% of the time.

Do you think I’m making a mistake and it’s going to be too bright when I close windows (I have dark room otherwise) for movies? I can take a lower black floor than most on here.

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From what you describe your preferences above, No you would not be making a mistake.

Watching "Sports and TV with ambient light" the LK970/990 will be a great match.

Watching movies you can use ECO mode or reduce the laser level .

RE my previous post, i was mainly getting the point that the LK970/990 will really stretch its legs with a large screen.

My good friend is replacing his Sony 760ES with the LK970 ...he runs a 140" 16:9 screen .
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Thanks for the response Woofer. Ideally I’d see both but that doesn’t look like it will be possible so going a lot on what others here report.
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I am not making mountains out of mole hills. I stated my preference, not yours or anybody else's. I can't and I do not want to have to be there, everytime one of my family members wants to use my system. Moving from RS4500 to RS640, meant using the Oppo for HDR tone mapping, it does not automaticlly go to HDR and it is a pain in the ***. I want to get back like I had it with my RS4500. Pop in a movie and play it.

And tnaik4 told you three times it wasn’t like that, and so did I. Ask woofer, then maybe you’ll believe it.

I just “pop in a movie and play it” all the time, btw. Or do you mean Auto HDR mode switching too? If so then yes you do have to switch one mode over from sRGB to Cinema, if you aren’t there already. If you don’t have an A-lens then you need to take another 10 seconds to adjust zoom and shift a little so you can enjoy your 2 hour movie. I usually do that while Momma is grabbing the pizza and popcorn!

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The 5th set of photos shows the dramatic difference in contrast. I'm only interested in seeing those types of photos. DLP can throw a nice picture when the image is bright - nothing new there. The 5th set shows how bad DLP looks on really dark scenes. Nothing new there either. In home theater projection - those low APL dark scenes are " the money shots ". But if someone has a light colored room and a really big screen, this projector is probably going to be the best they can get picture wise, over all.

Oh dear Lord, why do we bother?

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That sounds impressive and the lens seems to be a winner. If you do want to adjust gamma or if it does droop a bit down the line can you adjust it? If so, how many points? Thanks.

It only has set gamma from 1.8 to 2.8 and something called “BenQ”. If there’s a custom gamma setting in there somewhere I haven’t figured out how to do it, mainly because 2.8 works so well for HDR.

You’ll need an external device like a Radiance Pro, MadVR setup, etc. to adjust gamma further.

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Dylan went back and took a second look at the LK990. He also calibrated the 990. The info is not on this forum. LK990 owner is returning the projector.

Not surprising at all. I replied in the proper LK990 thread. I’m sure it’s a similar issue to what @woofer had at first with the LK970 when he initially posted his impressions.


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You know, I've decided that if this projector meets other peoples needs, even though it doesn't meet my needs, that's totally cool. Different strokes for different folks.

How nice of you, Craig! We can all buy in peace now that we know that, and won’t feel that we’d be damned by the JVC Gods for doing so.
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They're so cheap here in the 'States; did you ever think about having both. I know you do video gaming. The LK would likely look incredible for that. I thought someone said 35ms lag?
I have a mental issue on this. I want true fade to black loading screens. And more importantly, I feel like for what I paid for the RS4500 that if it can't handle all my needs I should probably get rid of it and get something else. Last year, I'd have considered the BenQ LK970 + RS640 as a viable combo. Honestly, the RS4500 looks incredible for 4K games. I don't think I need the lumens that the Lk970 powers out in my room. My new RS4500 is so bright feeling on low laser. On mid, it's super bright for HDR and games. Tested my game a little with the RS4500 on high and it does get brighter, but it doesn't feel the dramatic difference in pop that you get going from low to mid. I feel like your eyes sort of adjust to whatever light output you're looking at once it hits a certain range anyway.

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35ms sounds low for an XPR projector. Dylan measured 64.5ms on the 990. I know it is a different projector, but I do not know the lag on the 970. Only offered as a reference.
tnaik4 posted his measurement of lag time in the post 1119 (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...k-msrp-38.html), which is 31 ms
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tnaik4 posted his measurement of lag time in the post 1119 (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...k-msrp-38.html), which is 31 ms

No, the LK970 is 30ms slower than his monitor, which is around 10ms. So the total lag is 40ms.
Even then, it is not a very precise test. Dylan, on the other hand, used Leo bodnar to test the latency.

The official info from BenQ says that the lag is 59.1ms.
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No, the LK970 is 30ms slower than his monitor, which is around 10ms. So the total lag is 40ms.
Even then, it is not a very precise test. Dylan, on the other hand, used Leo bodnar to test the latency.

The official info from BenQ says that the lag is 59.1ms.
you are right. thank you for the correction.
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