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4. P3 - No not 100%, close to about 91% overall.
That would be really good, but I thought that it was even short of Rec709. Have you or someone measured that high?


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I’m not Javs, but I’m known to have a little knowledge on this projector. Plus he hasn’t see it used the LK970, only the LK990.

Answers:

1. FI = No

2. Scaler = Yes (not great with interlaced/1080i though)

3. Tone Map = No. It doesn’t even support HDR natively. This is where something like a Lumagen Radiance Pro, MadVR or my HarperVision settings come into play.

4. P3 - No not 100%, close to about 91% overall. I’ve hit much closer to 100% using filters but at the expense of too much light for my taste.

Thanks Dave, can the Lumagen Processor perform real time frame interpolation ?
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Dave has answered your questions but I should clarify the images I shared here of LUCY are direct screengrabs from the source file. There is no projector involved. It is how MadVR tone maps them based on a 120nit peak. So if you look at those shots on an average brightness computer monitor and think they should be brighter, that is your subjective opinion and not actually what the disc calls for. Which was my point in posting the source files.

Also need to remember you should be watching films in a dark room. If you put these images on a large screen in a dark room, you will realise it looks completely normal and balanced.
That makes a lot of sense Javs and I understand. Digital imaging can be very subjective, creative and based on preference.

As I mentioned, I love those images and my preference would be to subtly adjust the mid-tones only. However, you are right, it is a personal preference.

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I wish BenQ made a higher-end full DCI P3 capable 4K home theatre projector with a larger quality DMD, serious light output power, superb optics, excellent smooth DI, a capable noise-free up-scaler, a full blown CMS with exceptional HDR capability (tone mapping under the benefit of high luminosity) and cutting-edge FI capability. All at a reasonable price.

BenQ definitely seems like a company that could push the limits and achieve this.
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I wish BenQ made a higher-end full DCI P3 capable 4K home theatre projector with a larger quality DMD, serious light output power, superb optics, excellent smooth DI, a capable noise-free up-scaler, a full blown CMS with exceptional HDR capability (tone mapping under the benefit of high luminosity) and cutting-edge FI capability. All at a reasonable price.

BenQ definitely seems like a company that could push the limits and achieve this.
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It's not a bug. LK970 does not support HDR.
Thanks! I didn't catch that. The LK952 supports HDR, and the LK990 supports HDR, but the LK970 doesn't. It seems like a hole in the lineup.

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Thanks! I didn't catch that. The LK952 supports HDR, and the LK990 supports HDR, but the LK970 doesn't. It seems like a hole in the lineup.

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Not a hole. The 970 is the model being replaced by the 990.
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So the LK970 does not support HDR. What does this mean? Sorry I am a newbie...
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So the LK970 does not support HDR. What does this mean? Sorry I am a newbie...
Means to send the 970 HDR, you have to have a device like HD Fury to strip the HDR flag from the content, so that the projector can accept it and you are on your own to come up with settings for HDR. You can use someone else's settings, but will not quite be optimized for your setup, so some adjustment will most likely be needed.
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So the LK970 does not support HDR. What does this mean? Sorry I am a newbie...

This is AVSForum, so that means, you have to buy a JVC or get ridiculed.

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This is AVSForum, so that means, you have to buy a JVC or get ridiculed.
Just noticing the juxtaposition of this swipe at the JVC fanboys just two minutes following a helpful and informative response to the question by one of those alleged fanboys.
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Just noticing the juxtaposition of this swipe at the JVC fanboys just two minutes following a helpful and informative response to the question by one of those alleged fanboys.

You have a keen eye young man.

BTW, I own JVC because it is my preference as of now. But being a flaming fanboy for JVC I will not.

Also... this section of the forum in the last few years has turned into a flaming pile, and the intolerance for anyone else's projector choice has been on display for all to see. So yea, I took a swipe.

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So the LK970 does not support HDR. What does this mean? Sorry I am a newbie...

The real meaning:

The projector itself will not tone map HDR to the projectors capabilities before output.


1. If you are using UHD Movies on Disk, you can get a player like the Oppo 203/205 or Panasonic UB820/UB9000. You then can have the Disk players tone map the HDR to SDR and then have the projector display the content correctly.

(There are setting avail that will allow you to tweak the resulting image to your preference.)

2. You could get into a HTPC and use madVR to do the tone mapping from HDR to SDR.

3. If you wait for the "madVR envy" external video processing box or purchase a Lumagen video processor, that will do top of the line tone mapping as well for other devices like Roku or Apple TV, etc.
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SOWK: Do each of those options work or do they all have to be done?

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SOWK: Do each of those options work or do they all have to be done?
Only one. Not all three.

I use the second option.

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The real meaning:

The projector itself will not tone map HDR to the projectors capabilities before output.


1. If you are using UHD Movies on Disk, you can get a player like the Oppo 203/205 or Panasonic UB820/UB9000. You then can have the Disk players tone map the HDR to SDR and then have the projector display the content correctly.

(There are setting avail that will allow you to tweak the resulting image to your preference.)

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Yep, If you Tone map HDR externally with either the Oppo 203/205 or Panasonic 820/9000 the LK970 can produce a stunning image..

Its absolutely NOT an issue that the LK970 doesn't have a native HDR mode.
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This is AVSForum, so that means, you have to buy a JVC or get ridiculed.
You can buy a JVC 'AND" still get ridiculed because you dare to say you also like "Other" branded projectors..

On "certain" content i like the LK970 over my Z1/RS4500....that didnt go down well with the JVC "Fanboys".
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Yep, If you Tone map HDR externally with either the Oppo 203/205 or Panasonic 820/9000 the LK970 can produce a stunning image..

Its absolutely NOT an issue that the LK970 doesn't have a native HDR mode.

Well that good to know. Since I have 175 4k blu rays and and my Oppo 203. I do not watch many streaming/file movies in my theater. I will keep my RS600 and just add either the LK970 or LK990 to my mix

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Well that good to know. Since I have 175 4k blu rays and and my Oppo 203. I do not watch many streaming/file movies in my theater. I will keep my RS600 and just add either the LK970 or LK990 to my mix
I believe the LK970 is the preferred LK at the moment.

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On "certain" content i like the LK970 over my Z1/RS4500....that didnt go down well with the JVC "Fanboys".
I don't remember anyone having a problem with that...

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I believe the LK970 is the preferred LK at the moment.

But please ask David Harper.
Yea especially after Jav's report on brilliant color on the LK990.

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The real meaning:

The projector itself will not tone map HDR to the projectors capabilities before output.


1. If you are using UHD Movies on Disk, you can get a player like the Oppo 203/205 or Panasonic UB820/UB9000. You then can have the Disk players tone map the HDR to SDR and then have the projector display the content correctly.

(There are setting avail that will allow you to tweak the resulting image to your preference.)

2. You could get into a HTPC and use madVR to do the tone mapping from HDR to SDR.

3. If you wait for the "madVR envy" external video processing box or purchase a Lumagen video processor, that will do top of the line tone mapping as well for other devices like Roku or Apple TV, etc.


For option number 1 what do I need to set my oppo 205 too as well as my jvc nx5


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I don't remember anyone having a problem with that...
Then you have a poor memory.

With looking into this and Z1 threads history you will see People go from "Woofer sent back the lk970" and then when people responded with "Well woofer said he actually preferred the 970 for some stuff" the same people responded with "Well obviously his Z1 isnt set up right" and then "well obviously woofer needs to get his Z1 calibrated" and when @woofer said his z1 was setup right and was calibrated, they responded with "well woofer obviously doesnt know what he is talking about"

I dont need to name names or go back in the forums to dig it up. But I assure you I have seen exactly what Woofer is speaking of.

I have seen people from both camps attack him and his credibility just for reporting his honest opinions.
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It's no doubt that most 4k shifting DLP's (even some of the cheaper ones) can beat a Native 4k LCOS in bright content due to sharpness, but could also depend on sample quality.
DLP has less Russian Roulette, we all know that.

Of course there are advantages, just wish they'd make a bit more effort towards increasing contrast.
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LOL Reading through this thread is the same old story....story as old as time even lol. The BenQ guys say the JVC guys are bad cause they make fun of BenQ's, all the while they are making fun of JVC's lol. Kindergarten style. Similarly but opposite brands is going on in the JVC thread, or the Sony. Lotta miss-information being thrown around because of brand allegiance too. Its a giant case of the pot calling the kettle black. Ive owned BenQ's, Sonys, and a JVC, and each one had something great/special about it. They are all devices of engineered trade-offs. Pick your poison but understand why. Carry on gents.

EDIT: I should note im still about 3 pages back from completion of this thread.
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For option number 1 what do I need to set my oppo 205 too as well as my jvc nx5


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Personally I would leave the HDR to Auto in the Oppo settings and go to gamma in the JVC and turn off auto tone mapping and change picture tone to +8.... (In HDR Picture mode) enjoy a beautiful picture.
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Then you have a poor memory.

With looking into this and Z1 threads history you will see People go from "Woofer sent back the lk970" and then when people responded with "Well woofer said he actually preferred the 970 for some stuff" the same people responded with "Well obviously his Z1 isnt set up right" and then "well obviously woofer needs to get his Z1 calibrated" and when @woofer said his z1 was setup right and was calibrated, they responded with "well woofer obviously doesnt know what he is talking about"

I dont need to name names or go back in the forums to dig it up. But I assure you I have seen exactly what Woofer is speaking of.

I have seen people from both camps attack him and his credibility just for reporting his honest opinions.
The only person I've seen attacking him is Dave Harper. My memory is not poor. I was part of these threads. I didn't see any of the comments you listed above.

There were some cases where, on specific screenshots, there was specific discussion. Nothing wrong with that. However, it could be that you're taking some of these comments out of context. As woofer has stated repeatedly that all around, he prefers his Z1 over anything else. He was very impressed with the LK970 (as was I) and he preferred the LK970 on some stuff. Further, woofer has never had his Z1 (or LK970) calibrated, and he admits it. So, woofer never said his Z1 was "setup right and was calibrated" because it wasn't calibrated. I don't think anyone has said woofer doesn't know what he's talking about. He gets a lot of respect around here.

You made some ridiculous statements with "I dont need to name names or go back in the forums to dig it up". Unfortunately, I don't believe this happened. So I think you *do* need to name names or go back and dig it up. Otherwise you should drop it as it didn't happen the way you say.

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Personally I would leave the HDR to Auto in the Oppo settings and go to gamma in the JVC and turn off auto tone mapping and change picture tone to +8.... (In HDR Picture mode) enjoy a beautiful picture.
Then the Oppo will send HDR with the flag and the LK970 does not accept HDR. He could get one of the HD Fury products to remove the flag. Also the Oppo would not be doing the tone mapping in this case. If you are going to have the Oppo do the tone mapping, under HDR in the Oppo, you select HDR off BT2020. That allows the Oppo to send HDR, but no flag. The only drawback is the Oppo is capped at Rec709 color space, when doing this. You also want to select custom gamma of 2.4, since the oppo is using an SDR gamma curve.
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Then the Oppo will send HDR with the flag and the LK970 does not accept HDR. He could get one of the HD Fury products to remove the flag. Also the Oppo would not be doing the tone mapping in this case. If you are going to have the Oppo do the tone mapping, under HDR in the Oppo, you select HDR off BT2020. That allows the Oppo to send HDR, but no flag. The only drawback is the Oppo is capped at Rec709 color space, when doing this. You also want to select custom gamma of 2.4, since the oppo is using an SDR gamma curve.
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