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Appreciate any opinions.......With a 125” screen in a room with white walls and controlled lighting would I be better off with a LK970 or spending an extra $1000 on a HT9060??Will use it as an every day TV watching mostly sports.
Which screen? You only listed size.
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Which screen? You only listed size.
Screen has a gain of 1.1,can't remember the brand if it matters.
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Screen has a gain of 1.1,can't remember the brand if it matters.
Either should work well in that environment. The 9060 is a bit newer and has more features.(Specifically HDR)I think that would be your best bet to be honest.
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Screen has a gain of 1.1,can't remember the brand if it matters.
Looking for more info. Is the screen white? I would not recommend a white screen in that room. If you would tell us what the screen is, we can make a better determination on what would be a good match. Also I do not go by the manufacturers gain number, because in many (most) cases it is a BS number.
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Looking for more info. Is the screen white? I would not recommend a white screen in that room. If you would tell us what the screen is, we can make a better determination on what would be a good match. Also I do not go by the manufacturers gain number, because in many (most) cases it is a BS number.
Yes,the screen is white.
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Yes,the screen is white.
In a white room, you do not want a white screen. With 125" diagonal 16:9 screen size, I would go with a gray based screen. So depending on which screen you go with, determines which projector between HT9060 and LK970. If just a regular gray screen, which will have a gain around 0.8, you would get around 27FL using high laser on the HT9060. That is fairly bright and would be plenty in a good room, but in a room with white walls and white ceiling, you could use more brightness. So for that situation, I would go with the LK970. Now if you go with an ALR screen that has 1.1 to 1.3 gain, then I would go with the HT9060, since I think the 9060 is a little more civilized projector, when it comes to setup and use.
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Appreciate any opinions.......With a 125” screen in a room with white walls and controlled lighting would I be better off with a LK970 or spending an extra $1000 on a HT9060??Will use it as an every day TV watching mostly sports.
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Which screen? You only listed size.
I think with a small 125" screen it wont matter which screen you have. The HT9060 seems a better choice in any case here. Plus sports and every day TV watching is not 4K HDR so you wont need the extra light.

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I think with a small 125" screen it wont matter which screen you have. The HT9060 seems a better choice in any case here. Plus sports and every day TV watching is not 4K HDR so you wont need the extra light.
In an all white room, he will need a gray screen. A regular gray screen is 0.8 gain or less. 27FL would be his starting point and that is assuming he is at short end of the throw. 27FL sounds bright, but it really is not that bright, in an all white room. It would be adequate, but not great. So like I said, it depends on the screen, but the screen should not be white. The image in that room on a white screen would suck with either projector. It would be all washed out.
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In an all white room, he will need a gray screen. A regular gray screen is 0.8 gain or less. 27FL would be his starting point and that is assuming he is at short end of the throw. 27FL sounds bright, but it really is not that bright, in an all white room. It would be adequate, but not great. So like I said, it depends on the screen, but the screen should not be white. The image in that room on a white screen would suck with either projector. It would be all washed out.
You have indicated that a white screen will suck either way and 27fl is a great amount of light for SDR tv shows and sports. The screen may matter but there’s not a case where the lk970 is a better fit for that smaller screen and his usage so the point of which screen is being used is moot.

In any case he indicated that the room is light controlled so I disagree that a white screen is a bad choice. I’d go with a white screen in any light controlled room.
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I can say this,with my current (7yr old) W7000 projector with a new bulb the colours do not look washed out at all when I cut all the light out in the room.If I can maintain that same look of the W7000 with a fresh bulb with the HD9050 I would be satisfied,although I’m expecting it to look a little better

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You have indicated that a white screen will suck either way and 27fl is a great amount of light for SDR tv shows and sports. The screen may matter but there’s not a case where the lk970 is a better fit for that smaller screen and his usage so the point of which screen is being used is moot.

In any case he indicated that the room is light controlled so I disagree that a white screen is a bad choice. I’d go with a white screen in any light controlled room.
Have you viewed a white screen and an ALR/gray screen side by side in a white room at the same time? There is a huge difference. The white screen will be washed out, compared to the ALR screen. I am not saying the white screen will be unviewable. It can still look good and many people may not even realize just how much it is washed out, until they see a side by side comparison, showing what they are missing.

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I have a family room setup with 127" diagonal 16:9 screen in a room with nearly white walls. The screen is an older 1.3 gain FireHawk. With my JVC RS640 in high lamp, I get around 44FL max. Even at 44FL, if I raise my screen so that half the image is on the nearly white (very light gray) wall and other half on my FireHawk, the difference is staggering, even with sports. And my room has a 17' high flat ceiling, so the white ceiling does less damage to the image than most rooms.

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I have not compared,so I’m not going to disagree with you.When I get a new projector I will try and see if I can get a small sample size of the grey screen and tape it on my screen for a direct comparison.
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I have not compared,so I’m not going to disagree with you.When I get a new projector I will try and see if I can get a small sample size of the grey screen and tape it on my screen for a direct comparison.
Just look at the black levels. When looking at the whites, you will wish for white levels of the white screen and blacks of the gray screen and you can't have both. A gray screen does not improve your contrast. It just shifts everything down, so your whites are not as bright and your blacks are darker. So place the screen sample in a darker area of the image. When viewing a whole image on a gray screen, the whites will look white to you.
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I have a family room setup with 127" diagonal 16:9 screen in a room with nearly white walls. The screen is an older 1.3 gain FireHawk. With my JVC RS640 in high lamp, I get around 44FL max. Even at 44FL, if I raise my screen so that half the image is on the nearly white (very light gray) wall and other half on my FireHawk, the difference is staggering, even with sports. And my room has a 17' high flat ceiling, so the white ceiling does less damage to the image than most rooms.
I fairness, I'm betting you calibrated the projectors using the screen. Have you calibrated the projector using the wall and then compared the two?
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I fairness, I'm betting you calibrated the projectors using the screen. Have you calibrated the projector using the wall and then compared the two?
Actually I just recently moved my RS640 from my dedicated room to my family room. It is running stock, not calibrated to either. Just manual iris adjusted. I run an RS3000 in my dedicated room, which was calibrated by Kris Deering.
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Just look at the black levels. When looking at the whites, you will wish for white levels of the white screen and blacks of the gray screen and you can't have both. A gray screen does not improve your contrast. It just shifts everything down, so your whites are not as bright and your blacks are darker. So place the screen sample in a darker area of the image. When viewing a whole image on a gray screen, the whites will look white to you.
I am in the process of replacing a 106" Draper 1.0 gain white screen with the LK970 throwing about 15' 6". My side walls and ceiling of my soffit are a mixture of dark and medium light forest green, while the the tray ceiling in the center is a lighter green in the same color scheme. The room is mostly light controlled. I find the LK970 image very bright on this screen but still very watchable, even with ceiling can lights turned on.

I was thinking of going to a Stewart Filmscreen 123" Cima Neve gray screen with 0.8 gain. Would that be better for a darker room or is the white screen with 1.1 gain a better choice? I watch mostly sports and an occasional movie in the room. I am trying to get samples from SF, but haven't heard back or received them yet.

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I am in the process of replacing a 106" Draper 1.0 gain white screen with the LK970 throwing about 15' 6". My side walls and ceiling of my soffit are a mixture of dark and medium light forest green, while the the tray ceiling in the center is a lighter green in the same color scheme. The room is mostly light controlled. I find the LK970 image very bright on this screen but still very watchable, even with ceiling can lights turned on.

I was thinking of going to a Stewart Filmscreen 123" Cima Neve gray screen with 0.8 gain. Would that be better for a darker room or is the white screen with 1.1 gain a better choice? I watch mostly sports and an occasional movie in the room. I am trying to get samples from SF, but haven't heard back or received them yet.

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For sports both will work. As for which is better for movies, hard to say without seeing the room. I have some samples I can send you.
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For sports both will work. As for which is better for movies, hard to say without seeing the room. I have some samples I can send you.
Thanks Mike, the samples would be great. I'll PM you in a moment.

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Thanks Mike, the samples would be great. I'll PM you in a moment.

These are old pictures with a washed out image due to a camera flash from an old Sim2 projector.
Since the LK has lower native contrast than the Sim2 , your walls being a fairly light color and having a couple of TV's also on, I would go with the Tiburon Cima. You will have plenty of brightness and it will help the black levels.
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Since the LK has lower native contrast than the Sim2 , your walls being a fairly light color and having a couple of TV's also on, I would go with the Tiburon Cima. You will have plenty of brightness and it will help the black levels.
Great, thank you. The LK970 btw matches and even exceeds the brightness of the 2 TVs on the sides.
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Actually I just recently moved my RS640 from my dedicated room to my family room. It is running stock, not calibrated to either. Just manual iris adjusted. I run an RS3000 in my dedicated room, which was calibrated by Kris Deering.
I would not be surprised if "stock" is generally geared towards being used with a screen (even in a generic context). I wonder how poorly the wall would perform in comparison to the screen if the projector were calibrated using the wall.
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Yea that's too bad. The LK970 is a pretty dam good projector. I light up my 15' wide screen(with a A lens also). I do use an HTPC with MadVR and calibrated it with 3DLut( my good friends SOWK and Sirmaster did).


I was at Cedia this year and the Sony Room, the 885 looked like crap on their 16' screen it was dull(they should never have use that projector on such a big screen) , The 5000ES looked really solid, but it better be for $60K retail.


The JVC RS3000 looked really good and they were playing a 8K clip that must have been downgraded to 4K and then e shifted back up. That looked fantastic.


I loved my JVC RS600 and the deep blacks for 3 years, but it could not hold a candle to my LK970 in Brightness. Rec 709 SDR looks really good to me. And the priced I paid for a refurbished unit, it will take a lot before I upgrade it to something else.


I realize to each his own and whatever makes people happy, but with the LK970 I let me eyes do the analyzing
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Yea that's too bad. The LK970 is a pretty dam good projector. I light up my 15' wide screen(with a A lens also). I do use an HTPC with MadVR and calibrated it with 3DLut( my good friends SOWK and Sirmaster did).


I was at Cedia this year and the Sony Room, the 885 looked like crap on their 16' screen it was dull(they should never have use that projector on such a big screen) , The 5000ES looked really solid, but it better be for $60K retail.


The JVC RS3000 looked really good and they were playing a 8K clip that must have been downgraded to 4K and then e shifted back up. That looked fantastic.


I loved my JVC RS600 and the deep blacks for 3 years, but it could not hold a candle to my LK970 in Brightness. Rec 709 SDR looks really good to me. And the priced I paid for a refurbished unit, it will take a lot before I upgrade it to something else.


I realize to each his own and whatever makes people happy, but with the LK970 I let me eyes do the analyzing [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Yes too bad this thread is dead, this peojector is amazing in my opinion, i dont have a huge screen ( 135inch ) it light is amazingly specially with HDR Madvr dtm + lightspace 3dlut. And yes for the price u can get it for its just a steal.
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Yes too bad this thread is dead, this peojector is amazing in my opinion, i dont have a huge screen ( 135inch ) it light is amazingly specially with HDR Madvr dtm + lightspace 3dlut. And yes for the price u can get it for its just a steal.
My friend who purchased the LK970 from me to replace his Sony 760ES is 100% happy , no regrets at all !! !

He doesnt bother reading forums that tell him what he "should" or "should not" like......... he just "Enjoys" watching movies !
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I am glad that guys are still enjoying there units. I have been 100% satisfied with mine. I try to do more watching and less forum discussion these days. I definitely love the brightness and sharpness of the unit. With MadVR and DTM HDR material has been fantastic.



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Yea that's too bad. The LK970 is a pretty dam good projector. I light up my 15' wide screen(with a A lens also). I do use an HTPC with MadVR and calibrated it with 3DLut( my good friends SOWK and Sirmaster did).


I was at Cedia this year and the Sony Room, the 885 looked like crap on their 16' screen it was dull(they should never have use that projector on such a big screen) , The 5000ES looked really solid, but it better be for $60K retail.


The JVC RS3000 looked really good and they were playing a 8K clip that must have been downgraded to 4K and then e shifted back up. That looked fantastic.


I loved my JVC RS600 and the deep blacks for 3 years, but it could not hold a candle to my LK970 in Brightness. Rec 709 SDR looks really good to me. And the priced I paid for a refurbished unit, it will take a lot before I upgrade it to something else.


I realize to each his own and whatever makes people happy, but with the LK970 I let me eyes do the analyzing [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Yes too bad this thread is dead, this peojector is amazing in my opinion, i dont have a huge screen ( 135inch ) it light is amazingly specially with HDR Madvr dtm + lightspace 3dlut. And yes for the price u can get it for its just a steal.
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It's not dead. It's one of the most viable home theater prospects out there for high ambient light conditions. It's at the top of my list for purchase. JVC products arent even contenders in this sandbox.

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Yea that's too bad. The LK970 is a pretty dam good projector. I light up my 15' wide screen(with a A lens also). I do use an HTPC with MadVR and calibrated it with 3DLut( my good friends SOWK and Sirmaster did).


I was at Cedia this year and the Sony Room, the 885 looked like crap on their 16' screen it was dull(they should never have use that projector on such a big screen) , The 5000ES looked really solid, but it better be for $60K retail.


The JVC RS3000 looked really good and they were playing a 8K clip that must have been downgraded to 4K and then e shifted back up. That looked fantastic.


I loved my JVC RS600 and the deep blacks for 3 years, but it could not hold a candle to my LK970 in Brightness. Rec 709 SDR looks really good to me. And the priced I paid for a refurbished unit, it will take a lot before I upgrade it to something else.


I realize to each his own and whatever makes people happy, but with the LK970 I let me eyes do the analyzing

Can I ask how you would compare the 970 vs the JVC RS3000 as far as picture quality, ie sharpness, image..ect.. I ask because although I am happy with the 970, going the RS3000 route seem attractive to me.
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Can I ask how you would compare the 970 vs the JVC RS3000 as far as picture quality, ie sharpness, image..ect.. I ask because although I am happy with the 970, going the RS3000 route seem attractive to me.
Well the JVC would be an big upgrade to the LK970 if your screen size is under 150". Of course the JVC's have a better black level and it also has HDR Rec 2020 and the LK970 is SDR Rec 709. So, the RS3000 would be nice to have, but its about 5x the price depending on your dealer connections. The brightness is double on the LK970 and the sharpness is better also(it is a DLP). I would of thought about the RS3000 myself if it was laser and 3000+ lumen, but that is not the case. That is what is will take for me to move off the LK970 since I have a 15' wide screen. But I would assume laser and +3000 lumen from JVC will be in the 25K+ mark for quite some time yet.

In the end, it is all preference. Like I said, I loved my RS600 but the LK970 works better for me in my theater

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Well the JVC would be an big upgrade to the LK970 if your screen size is under 150". Of course the JVC's have a better black level and it also has HDR Rec 2020 and the LK970 is SDR Rec 709. So, the RS3000 would be nice to have, but its about 5x the price depending on your dealer connections. The brightness is double on the LK970 and the sharpness is better also(it is a DLP). I would of thought about the RS3000 myself if it was laser and 3000+ lumen, but that is not the case. That is what is will take for me to move off the LK970 since I have a 15' wide screen. But I would assume laser and +3000 lumen from JVC will be in the 25K+ mark for quite some time yet.

In the end, it is all preference. Like I said, I loved my RS600 but the LK970 works better for me in my theater
Thank you for the very helpful info. Do you use a lumagen with your 970?
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